Reformation part 2?

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Along the lines of the types of new ideas one sees in publications such as the NC Reporter and America Magazine, today in the Chicago Tribune i find this:
Belgian Catholics petition bishops to empower laymen
chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-belgium-catholicsreforml5e8daae9-20120210,0,5884491.story

We have recently seen this same call in Austria, Australia and Germany. Ireland too. We have had many in the US Church making these same arguments.
Are we beginning to see the beginnings of another reformation?
Are we witnessing a coming schism of liberal minded Catholics at the same time that Anglicans who wish to return to conservative interpretations of belief are coming home to Rome?
What think you?
 
Dirt said:
Along the lines of the types of new ideas one sees in publications such as the NC Reporter and America Magazine, today in the Chicago Tribune i find this:
Belgian Catholics petition bishops to empower laymen
chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-belgium-catholicsreforml5e8daae9-20120210,0,5884491.story

We have recently seen this same call in Austria, Australia and Germany. Ireland too. We have had many in the US Church making these same arguments.
Are we beginning to see the beginnings of another reformation?
Are we witnessing a coming schism of liberal minded Catholics at the same time that Anglicans who wish to return to conservative interpretations of belief are coming home to Rome?
What think you?
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The problem is well analyzed.
The solution is wrong.
It is not new as the former post emphasizes.
 
‘Liberal minded Catholic’ is a contradiction in terms. If they don’t want to believe as the Lord wills, He may spit them out of His mouth.
 
Of course, no one wishes to see anyone make shipwreck of the faith, however, if they left the Church, one positive consequence would be that they would no longer scandalize other faithful or potential converts by teaching falsely in the Church’s name.
 
Dirt said:
Along the lines of the types of new ideas one sees in publications such as the NC Reporter and America Magazine, today in the Chicago Tribune i find this:
Belgian Catholics petition bishops to empower laymen
chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-belgium-catholicsreforml5e8daae9-20120210,0,5884491.story

We have recently seen this same call in Austria, Australia and Germany. Ireland too. We have had many in the US Church making these same arguments.
Are we beginning to see the beginnings of another reformation?
Are we witnessing a coming schism of liberal minded Catholics at the same time that Anglicans who wish to return to conservative interpretations of belief are coming home to Rome?
What think you?
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I think Satan lives by the old adage: if at first you don’t succeed, try and try again.

You’d think that he’d learn now that the church, as the body of Christ, will always crush him under foot… that his obedience and being part of that body would have been far superior to the meager pickings that he covetously manages to pull from God’s faithful with nonsense like this… 🤷
 
Dirt said:
…Belgian Catholics petition bishops to empower laymen
chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-belgium-catholicsreforml5e8daae9-20120210,0,5884491.story
… Are we witnessing a coming schism of liberal minded Catholics at the same time that Anglicans who wish to return to conservative interpretations of belief are coming home to Rome?
What think you?
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Those people should become Deacons, if they are so concerned about the falling number of Priests.
What are those people doing to bolster the numbers entering the Seminaries? Are they urging their sons and daughters to seriously consider vocations?

Thanks to our Orthodox and Anglican brothers… we know for sure that simply allowing Priests to marry will NOT fix the issue. Both those denominations allow their Priests to marry or be married when they enter the Priesthood - and they also suffer from fewer vocations.

Church of England (COE) allows female preachers and openly gay Bishops… and they aren’t over flowing with Priests flocking to the Seminary.

As for the Laymen taking over more responsibilities. That I don’t know much about. I think the Church has done a very poor job of Catechizing people since the 80s - so I’m not sure there are many fit to handle these increased responsibilities.

The church and the congregation is reaping what they sowed in the 80s and 90s. The lack of an emphasis on vocations and a lack of Church education has made for entire generations who have never considered joining the Priesthood.

The Sexual abuse scandals make it harder for a Priest to be involved with Youth. Children who grow up having little to no interaction with Priests and Nuns will NOT consider vocations. Why would they if they never see it? - children model what they experience.

The solution is NOT to create new more lax rules. The solution is to:
  1. Step up the Catechizing and instruction of our youth.
  2. Priests to be MORE involved in the lives of their congregation so that children grow up looking up to the Priesthood
  3. Parents advocating and talking to their children about Vocations.
More laymen is at best a stop-gap measure but the long term consequences will likely be even FEWER Priests. Since, again, children model what they see. If they see a Church ran by lay men, that’s what they will aspire to be.

“Where’s the Priest Daddy?”
– He only comes once a Month. Want to be a Priest when you grow up?
“NO, I want to lead Mass like YOU do Daddy!”

Give our leadership some credit… They know this won’t fix anything.
 
What did Jesus say?
Pray to the Lord that send workers to his harvest.
Pray
Pray
Pray.
Never give up, never complain, never be pessimistic.
The Lord Jesus Christ is a winner.
He will provide for priests…
 
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