Refugees detained at US airports after Trump exec order

[Mary_Gail_36]

A 15yo Australian boy who was to travel with his class to Florida on a school Space Camp was denied a visa because unbeknown to him he is a dual citizen of Iran.

1. He was born in Australia, never been to Iran and only has an Australian passport.
2. Iran doesn’t care about that, as far as they are concerned his parents are Iranian, therefore he is an Iranian citizen.
3. The Iran government doesn’t allow their “citizens” to renounce citizenship until they have completed compulsory military service AND over 25yo. Similar to once baptised Catholic, you are Catholic for life.

Number 3 is accurate? I know Iranian Jews who were born in Iran and came here as refugees ironically. But I guess them being Jewish causes Iran to revoke their citizenship. I don’t know.

 

[RebeccaJ]

The media highlights this kind of news - also British MP or Olympian with dual passport are purported to being banned. Actually Iraqis involved with US army such as the above and British nationals are not included in the ban. Don’t crack your head over thing that is not. You will get unnecessary headache for nothing.

The only exceptions cited in the executive order are “excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas”.

Unless they have one of the excluded visas, then yes, they are included in the ban.

 

[kat07]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2016-09-01-1472759565-493250-extreme_extreme_vetting.jpg

How convenient of whoever came up with this to leave out 9/11, Fort Hood, Pulse, Boston Marathon, and San Bernadino. Citing avgs excluding 9/11 is statistical malpractice. Contrasting sparse but deadly events with mundane, and misleading. Since you are apparent a stats guy/gal, what does your analysis tell you of the European Muslim immigration? Why don’t you also put in this chart the number of possible attacks that were thwarted. Affective probabilistic calculations and cognitive probabilistic calculations run on parallel systems. Reason loses out in one. All you need is a single terrorist strike to skew those figures.

These 30 Muslims sought refuge in America’s heartland. Then they terrorized the town of Lake Calhoun MN and threated to rape.
thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/somali-muslims-march-upscale-mn-town-threaten-rape-homeowner-video/

This Muslim sought refuge in America’s heartland. Then he started helping ISIS.
foxnews.com/us/2016/11/16/leader-minnesota-terrorist-cell-gets-35-years-in-jail-for-plot-to-join-isis.html

This Muslim sought refuge in America’s heartland. They he stabbed 11 people at Ohio State
ocregister.com/articles/attack-737349-most-car.html

This Muslim sought refuge in America’s heartland. Then he went on a machete attack at an Ohio restaurant.
breitbart.com/london/2016/01/16/t/

This Muslim sought refuge in America’s heartland. Then he stabbed 9 Americans at the Crossroads Center Mall
heavy.com/news/2016/09/crossroads-mall-stabbing-shooting-active-shooter-st-cloud-minnesota-updates-new-latest-shopping-center/

This Muslim father sought refuge in America’s heartland. Then he killed his own daughter
msn.com/en-us/news/us/this-father-put-his-children-through-college-but-a-prosecutor-says-he-%E2%80%98executed%E2%80%99-one-of-them/ar-BBxguSx

 

[LeafByNiggle]

How convenient of whoever came up with this to leave out 9/11…

9/11 was 15+ years ago, and it exploited huge holes our security which we have fixed. Airline cockpit doors are reinforced and kept locked during flight. The graphic is about the average over the last 10 years.

Fort Hood, Pulse, San Bernadino

Nidal Hasan was native born from Virginia. Omar Mateen was native born in New York. Farook was native born in Illinois. Their killings were not left out. They appeared in the third row of the graphic.

Boston Marathon

Those three killings appeared in the first row of the graphic (when considered as part of 10-year average).

Citing avgs excluding 9/11 is statistical malpractice. Contrasting sparse but deadly events with mundane, and misleading.

It is not only that the events are sparse but also that they were under conditions that no longer exist. So their applicability to today is not the same as if it were a random event.

Since you are apparent a stats guy/gal, what does your analysis tell you of the European Muslim immigration?

Their experience is inapplicable because they have different circumstances.

Why don’t you also put in this chart the number of possible attacks that were thwarted.

Why? If they were thwarted then as long as we don’t weaken the mechanism that is thwarting them, we can expect them to remain as effective as they are.

Affective probabilistic calculations and cognitive probabilistic calculations run on parallel systems. Reason loses out in one. All you need is a single terrorist strike to skew those figures.

And when that happens, we will revise our assessments.

 

[EIF5A]

And when that happens, we will revise our assessments.

Seems to be one (of many) differences between the two sides.

One side wants to minimize risks by taking precautionary measures. The other side will not take action until something happens despite evidence of mounting threats.

 

[Thorolfr]

Seems to be one (of many) differences between the two sides.

One side wants to minimize risks by taking precautionary measures. The other side will not take action until something happens despite evidence of mounting threats.

Precautionary measures were already being taken. The vetting process already took at least two years for refugees. Mr. Trump is just whipping up unfounded fear in his base.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Seems to be one (of many) differences between the two sides.

One side wants to minimize risks by taking precautionary measures. The other side will not take action until something happens despite evidence of mounting threats.

Wait, are we talking about the global warming debate now? Or the immigration ban?

 

[Thorolfr]

In the news, “‘The world’s doors were closed’: Jared Kushner’s grandma on refugee life”

An interview with the late grandmother of Donald Trump’s son-in-law and close aide Jared Kushner has re-emerged in which she describes her anguish over America’s refusal to accept Jews fleeing the Holocaust.

theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/31/jared-kushner-grandmother-refugee-holocaust

 

[Sy_Noe]

Not really. The only explanation I’ve heard for why Saudi Arabia’s Muslims get a free pass is because, “But it’s Obama’s list-! He put them there!” Will Trump be blaming Obama for the next 4 years, like how Obama blamed Bush? It’s Obama’s fault we can’t ban Muslims from Saudi Arabia? Really?

Am I the only one here who sees the irony about them using Obama’s list when they thought he was soft on terror?