Because the Church has been accepting money from the state and fed gov for decades.
That’s “the Church” in general, not specifically adoption agencies, and not specific to each State. It is not my understanding that all the Catholic adoption agencies forced to close their doors because of conscience violations were receiving governmental money.
I doubt the Pentacostal churches have anywhere near the broadness and scope of Catholic organizations across the world. It doesn’t surprise me that other entities have offered to help them, considering all that the Church has done world-wide.
Every doctor that I know, Catholic or otherwise, would simply tell them that they would need to speak to someone that specializes in fertility services, and they do not.
You are correct, the Church has specific teachings on what roles people can hold based on certain facts about them. However, the Church also says that in all cases, unjust discrimination must be avoided. That means the real question becomes, what is unjust discrimination?
That is why I specifically singled out LEGITIMATE laws. Immoral laws are not legitimate.
I see no problem with them doing that either.
There are licit fertility treatments that some may not want to provide to non married persons. That is not unjust.
You are missing the point that I am trying to make. I do not think that any business should discriminate based on someone’s sexual orientation. I do not think that this falls under any morality issue.Great point!!! and DG…how would the hotel clerk “know”? And is it any of the hotel clerk’s business, really?
How far are some going to take this? The bank you have patronized for years gives a mortgage to a homosexual couple who patronizing the same real estate firm that sold/or helped you buy your home, whose husband or wife owns the car dealership where you have purchased all of your cars, and this homosexual couple has the same name dealership on the back of their car… really? How far do you want to track back? Should gays/lesbians be rounded up and put in a colony of their own? This is getting beyond stupid.
Is it time to start looking for a cave or a fishbowl, so some can totally separate themselves from society?
Some of this is duplicative. A physician who is a practicing, believing Catholic is likely not even providing IVF, to begin with, to anyone. Ditto, for A.I.D., except in the narrow way the Church approves that, within the couple itself.
For coming out publicly and promoting things that are against Church teaching absolutely. For keeping to themselves and living a chaste life despite the fact that they have SSA, I have never heard of someone being fired for this.Are you now saying the Church doesn’t ‘discriminate’ or what’s your point?
Are you aware of the fact that the Church fires employees (teachers) for coming out as homosexuals or for promoting gay marriage?
And I would add some AI is morally licit and some is not. It certainly would be illicit for homosexual persons.
True. But it’s not just a “gay” issue. The Church will also fire pregnant unwed mothers, a person in an invalid marriage, etc.
It’s considered religious. There are also private non-religious public schools. Unlike public schools, they may fire teachers for all sorts of moral issues, and toss students out of school permanently if they act up.
You might want to familiarize yourself with what some of these children go through. My sources are my ex-wife who was a therapist that dealt with such children, my ex mother-in-law who had foster children coming in and out of her house for over a decade, and my first cousin who has her Master’s in Social Work that has dealt with such children for about three decades. There is a lot of physical, verbal, and sexual abuse of these children, in particular minority and disabled children.
FWIW, a Catholic doctor should not be doing that; i.e., recommend that someone go to a doctor that performs services that the Church considers immoral. The doctor should simply state that he/she does not perform those services. If the patient asks for recommendations, the doctor can simply state that he is not familiar with those that provide such services.
I never said he would recommend someone. I simply said that he would say they needed to see someone who specialized in fertility and he does not.
you’d have a Hilton clerk ask every couple if they were married and let the clerk decide who to check in?
Nope, just as I wouldn’t have them ask if someone was gay. If you don’t have the information, you are not complicit in the sin and no need to send them away. If they say that they are not married and going to have sex, or they advertise that they are a gay couple in a relationship don’t serve them. No need for questions.