Refute: Catholic vestments & the whore of Babylon?

[souldiver]

The whore of Babylon is wears purple and scarlet :

and so are the Catholic clergy.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. :

And somebody say in a website that the Catholic clergy wears white, therefore, they are the false prophets.

These are shocking to me, it could convert me to Protestant anytime.

 

[Church_Militant]

Then you are easily deceived. If you go back and look at the vestments worn by the Jewish priests then you have to ask if those too were condemned for it. It’s ridiculous and specious.

Do priests’ vestments contradict Scripture?

A Fundamentalist friend of mine attacks Catholic priests because they wear vestments. He say this violates the Bible. **

Answer**

There’s nothing unscriptural about vestments. God commanded that they be used in the Old Testament. Look at Exodus 28:2:For your brother Aaron you will make sacred vestments to give dignity and magnificence. You will instruct all the skilled men, whom I have endowed with skill, to make Aaron’s vestments for his consecration to my priesthood. These are the vestments which they must make: a pectoral, an ephod, a robe, an embroidered tunic, a turban, and a belt. They must make sacred vestments for your brother Aaron and his sons, for them to be priests in my service. They will use gold and violet material, red-purple and crimson, and finely woven linen.
The rest of the chapter gives details on each garment.
Nothing in the New Testament requires abolition of priestly vestments. Our Lord attacked the Jewish leaders for a number of sins, but he never condemned their priestly garb. It’s true the early Church didn’t use the Old Testament vestments, but this is because Christians didn’t want to identify their leaders with the Jewish priesthood.

Part of the problem for Fundamentalists is that vestments set priests apart from the laity. Fundamentalists object to a ministerial priesthood in the Church. They see vestments as a way of expressing a distinction between clergy and laity.
On this they’re right, but there’s nothing wrong with such hierarchical distinctions. The New Testament is full of them (Acts 20:28; Eph 2:20, 4:11; Phil 1:1; 1 Tm 3:1-13; Ti 1:5).

Within Fundamentalism there’s also an unhealthy opposition set up between the spiritual and the material realms. There is an anti-incarnational attitude which views the use of anything material as superstitious. The distaste for vestments is but one example of this.

Fundamentalists who say Catholic priests adopted distinctive dress in the fifth century to put themselves above the laity have got it backwards. Actually, it was the laity who changed their attire, not to distinguish themselves from priests, but to keep up with fashions.

Catholic priests simply retained their manner of liturgical dress. Priestly vestments are no more than stylized secular Roman garments which have accrued symbolic, liturgical significance over the centuries.

Also see: Liturgical Colors , Hunting the Whore of Babylon , & The Whore of Babylon

Do not be deceived…
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-whore-of-babylon

 

[DavidFilmer]

The whore of Babylon is wears purple and scarlet :

Really?

and so are the Catholic clergy.

Oh, so ANYBODY who wears purple or scarlet is the whore of Babylon?

Oops, 'scuse me a minute, while I clear my closet of my purple and scarlet shirts. Bummer: my scarlet shirt was a gift from my wife, and is a designer label, no-less. What a shame to simply throw it away because the whore of Babylon had a similar dress code.

And somebody say in a website that the Catholic clergy wears white, therefore, they are the false prophets.

OH NO!!! I gotta get rid of my white shirts as well??? That’s my “go-to” shirt anytime I don’t know what else to wear. It goes with almost everything (and most of my ties - do I have to get rid of my ties as well?)

Well, of course, I have to get rid of my white shirts AND my ties, because “somebody say in a website.” Because we all know that we can trust EVERYTHING that somebody say in a website.

These are shocking to me, it could convert me to Protestant anytime.

Shocking!!! Can I wear green? (probably not - didn’t druids wear green? And brown? And khaki?)

I own an old tuxedo. It’s black (the color of Horus). I suppose I have to get rid of that as well (along with the white tux shirt that I have already tossed). It’s just as well - the tux doesn’t fit me anymore.

Oh well, I have to get rid of ALMOST my entire wardrobe, but, fortunately, I am a proud American, and I still have my blue-jeans and blue denim shirts. OH NO - that’s the color of the The Egyptian god Amun. According to Wikipedia,

Blue could also protect against evil; many people around the Mediterranean still wear a blue amulet, representing the eye of God, to protect them from misfortune

OK, so I toss my blue clothes. I don’t happen to own any orange clothes (perhaps the only “safe” color, but notably the color of - OH NO - prisoners). I am now naked, with no options.

So I suppose God wants us all to be naked. Right?

These are shocking to me, it could convert me to Protestant anytime.

Well, feel free to show up at your local protestant church completely naked. Let us know how that works out for you.

 

[ThankUJP2]

Those are the texts that will convert you from affirming that there is no God (athiest) to becoming a Protestant Christian? Really? Why? I’m sure you’d be the first person in human history “converted” solely based on these passages. Most people affirm a positive aspect of something to form their beliefs upon rather than a negative… Nonetheless it is unbelievable progress! Catholics and Protestants believe like 99% of the same stuff which atheists refute. So if by these passages you can turn 99% of your error on its head, and come to believe in God, I say thank God. He does work in mysterious ways. And don’t worry we can work out the finer details later.

 

[Nelka]

Oh no, my three year old daughter had a purple coat and always wears purple of she can, that must mean she is the one written about in Revelation!



Purple for royalty and red for the blood of Christian martyrs.

For priests, purple symbolises repentance, and red honours the blood of Christ and the Christian martyrs.

catholic.com/tracts/hunting-the-whore-of-babylon

 

[agnes_therese]

These are shocking to me, it could convert me to Protestant anytime.

Did you mean to post this on April 1? Because really,that’s the only possible sense this could make.

 

[1ke]

The whore of Babylon is wears purple and scarlet :

and so are the Catholic clergy.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. :

And somebody say in a website that the Catholic clergy wears white, therefore, they are the false prophets.

These are shocking to me, it could convert me to Protestant anytime.

They wear green, too, so maybe that means they are Leprechauns.

 

[Nelka]

Well, feel free to show up at your local protestant church completely naked. Let us know how that works out for you.

 

[LightBound]

The whore of Babylon is wears purple and scarlet :

and so are the Catholic clergy.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. :

And somebody say in a website that the Catholic clergy wears white, therefore, they are the false prophets.

These are shocking to me, it could convert me to Protestant anytime.

Protestant clergy wear the same color robes…unless they’re decked out in a $3000 Armani suit. Refute that one, dipshit.

 

[RedFox0456]

I just think it’s interesting, as someone pointed out, that your religion is atheist. Thread doesn’t seem legit.

 

[TimothyH]

The OP souldiver is probably a troll. Some of the other useless waste of time threads he has started in the past include…

Is it okay to enjoy sex?
Is it okay to name a baby Judas?
The Jesus image currently used by the Catholics is based of Cesare Borgia?
Who should be blamed? Victim or offender?
Is it okay to pray for revenge?
If you’re a Christian, is it okay to be fanatical about God?
Do bullies have low self esteem? Or too high self esteem?
How do bad people get friends?
Rubbing at Christian statues and dead Jesus statues
Is freedom wrong?
What is the size of God?

His threads are mostly a complete waste of time.

-Tim-

 

[Mintaka]

Jesus wore purple and scarlet when He was being mocked.

They were signs of His true kingship and military leadership, as the Roman soldiers told the truth about Him without knowing it.

 

[ahs]

Really?

Oh, so ANYBODY who wears purple or scarlet is the whore of Babylon?

Oops, 'scuse me a minute, while I clear my closet of my purple and scarlet shirts. Bummer: my scarlet shirt was a gift from my wife, and is a designer label, no-less. What a shame to simply throw it away because the whore of Babylon had a similar dress code.

OH NO!!! I gotta get rid of my white shirts as well??? That’s my “go-to” shirt anytime I don’t know what else to wear. It goes with almost everything (and most of my ties - do I have to get rid of my ties as well?)

Well, of course, I have to get rid of my white shirts AND my ties, because “somebody say in a website.” Because we all know that we can trust EVERYTHING that somebody say in a website.

Shocking!!! Can I wear green? (probably not - didn’t druids wear green? And brown? And khaki?)

I own an old tuxedo. It’s black (the color of Horus). I suppose I have to get rid of that as well (along with the white tux shirt that I have already tossed). It’s just as well - the tux doesn’t fit me anymore.

Oh well, I have to get rid of ALMOST my entire wardrobe, but, fortunately, I am a proud American, and I still have my blue-jeans and blue denim shirts. OH NO - that’s the color of the The Egyptian god Amun. According to Wikipedia,

OK, so I toss my blue clothes. I don’t happen to own any orange clothes (perhaps the only “safe” color, but notably the color of - OH NO - prisoners). I am now naked, with no options.

So I suppose God wants us all to be naked. Right?

Well, feel free to show up at your local protestant church completely naked. Let us know how that works out for you.

Maybe it’s the wine, but I am laughing and can’t stop after reading this!!

 

[Arizona_Fat_Gir]

when I paint pictures for walls, I use purple and red, also, yellow, pink, blue, orange, and whatever other color I can mix and make it something else.

I like colors that are “something else.” What gets me is that if a page is white, how do you paint it white without it looking chalky? Are you supposed to leave the background white or paint it white?

Colors mean something; for instance, I went shopping in November. I found a black dress with a sapphire blue streak down the middle, like color blocking. It was greatly reduced. Then I saw another one just like it, only its color blocking was red. Due to the Christmas season, the store had the one with the red about seven times more expensive than the one with the blue. I guess color does matter.

I still like lavender.

 

[CJsmommy]

Don’t feed the troll, guys. An atheist threatening a Catholic forum that he/she would go Protestant? If an atheist I know said that to me I’d offer to drive him to the nearest church.

 

[DavidFilmer]

Don’t feed the troll, guys.

Yeah, I know, but sometimes it can be an amusing distraction (we feed birds and fish for our own amusement). Call it an indulgent behavior after Lent. Or whatever you please. Trolls (like the OP) think they can push our buttons. To the naked OP: let us know how that works out for you.

 

[CJsmommy]

Yeah, I know, but sometimes it can be an amusing distraction (we feed birds and fish for our own amusement). Call it an indulgent behavior after Lent. Or whatever you please. Trolls (like the OP) think they can push our buttons. To the naked OP: let us know how that works out for you.

Touche, I am still learning the Catholic ways.

 

[souldiver]

Yeah, I know, but sometimes it can be an amusing distraction (we feed birds and fish for our own amusement). Call it an indulgent behavior after Lent. Or whatever you please. Trolls (like the OP) think they can push our buttons. To the naked OP: let us know how that works out for you.

Don’t call me troll maybe because I’m an atheist. I’m actually a pro-Catholic atheist. I’m just finding ways to defend it.

 

[JonNC]

The whore of Babylon is wears purple and scarlet :

and so are the Catholic clergy.

Matthew 7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. :

And somebody say in a website that the Catholic clergy wears white, therefore, they are the false prophets.

These are shocking to me, it could convert me to Protestant anytime.

Stay away from Lutheran and Anglican churches, as well. Our clergy and theirs wear these colors as well.

Jon

 

[Frankenfurter]

For some reason, some protestants think that Revelations is about some future event. Bible scholars though will tell you that John was writing about things that existed in his time - before there was even a Catholic church.