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mikew262
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I’m not convinced they are.
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jlcasey
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This is not about ‘dismissing’ something. It comes down to obedience to God and trust in Christ’s Church - His Body. There may be Christians out there who practice reiki but the reality is that Reiki Practitioners will readily acknowledge that they call upon an impersonal ‘energy’ and not God. Truth is not relative - either it is one or the other.
This is what I originally posted - this comes directly from the Vatican. I always defer to the horses mouth if you know what I mean. In all Christian grace and charity, please consider prayerfully reading this document. The New Age is not something to be taken lightly in these very difficult times.
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jlcasey
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If you are not convinced the Church is right than you are saying you know better. That is your choice - it rightly makes you a protestant however.
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mikew262
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Many Reiki users pray to God before a session begins. Call it Reiki, call laying on of hands, if it provides a beneficial result where is the harm? There is none. Nobody heals the blind or fixes broken bones with it, but it seems to ease anxiety, lower blood pressure, and increase pain tolerance among some of the benefits.
My wife (nurse, ex-massage therapist) is a Reiki Master and takes it very seriously because she has seen the benefit, so I take offense that you call it absurd just because you personally don’t believe in it.
For many years, the medical community thought acupuncture was absurd. Seems that has been reversed, although you’ll still find many who still think it’s nothing but eastern medicine hooey.
The fact that several studies have been initiated by a govt run institution proves that there is enough legitimate interest in it to conduct them. If these studies prove there is something to Reiki, I hope you are still hanging out here, so I can see your response then. If they prove there is nothing to Reiki, then I will be contrite.
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mikew262
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Not in my mind. However, I do believe there are plenty of Protestants in heaven right now, so I don’t consider that a put down.
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DiscerningDave
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If you have taken offense against my statements that a form of energy healing that believes and incorporates the use of chakras is absurd, then so be it. I humbly follow the teachings of the church and defer to its guidance.
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jlcasey
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Mike - I used to work for the National Cancer Institute as a cancer information specialist - I want you to know that first of all, that NCCAM has been derided by the NIH for it’s lack of quality studies and bias. Furthermore, research conducted overseas has often contradicted research done by NIH! So who is right?! They are not fullproof. But most importantly - they are not experts on spiritual matters! The Church is! As part of the Body of Christ I’m sure you must appreciate this!
Paul himself says we fight not against flesh and blood, but principalities and powers - it is a spiritual battle and the Catholic Church is God’s authority on earth to battle it!
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mikew262
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Uh, many Reiki Practitioners acknowledge God as the provider of their ability. I believe they are in error if they don’t at least acknowledge that.
www.christianreiki.org
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jlcasey
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yes I have looked through this website and it makes my point. What of those non Christian Reiki practitioners who claim otherwise? Who is right? Truth is not relative.
However at this point, I defer to ‘DiscerningDaves’ statement - that I follow the guidance of Christ’s Church on earth. That is, afterall, why I became Catholic.
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mikew262
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So be it. However, a more chartiable person would have at least apologized for giving offense. I believe the Church and just good manners teaches that too.
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mikew262
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No study is foolproof, anybody who has taken Stats knows that.
Concerning Paul, he also says this:
In I Corinthians 14:1 Paul tell us to eagerly desire spiritual gifts. In I Corinthians 12: 28 Paul says that healing is one of the gifts. Paul also says that each of the gifts is best expressed with love.
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DiscerningDave
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I am done with this topic. I think the document JLCasey posted in this quote answers all the questions on this debate. I hope that everyone reads it.
Peace be with all of you. Mike, it was never my intention to offend you and if I did, I apologize…I just believe that the Catholic church is far more knowledgable in matters of spirituality than I am, so I defer to this document.
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mikew262
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I would like to believe the ones that acknowledge God as the provider of their gift as being right.
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mikew262
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Apology accepted. While I think the Church has good intentions in this matter, I’m not convinced they are fully correct.
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CatholicSam
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Ok, so you’re trying to tell us to believe you over the Catholic Church? You’re saying that you don’t think the Church is correct. No thank you! You can keep your own membership in the Church of Mike and decide what is and is not moral, and you can stand up to God for judgement. But you’re not convincing us to abandon 2000 years of Tradition :nope: How arrogant!
As others have pointed out, there is a Vatican doccument available dealing with New Age practices, and for any and all Catholics, that should be the final word. You keep protesting the Church’s teachings on this subject and that *does *make you a Protestant
Besides, if you’re not going to follow the teachings of the Church, why bother to be Catholic at all???
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DiscerningDave
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Thank you, Mike. I just want you to know however, I apologized for offending you. It was in no way a personal attack on you or your beliefs. I still think Reiki is absurd, but that is my own personal view. I am a devout, practicing Catholic who views the moral teachings of the church as infallible. For that, I will make no apologies.
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Maryam
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In Reiki they use the life-force energy** “Ki”** and if you understand Eastern spirituality and what exactly Ki is you will see it is not compatible with the idea/concept of a God. Ki is the life-force for everything in the universe and is divided into two aspects called “Yin and Yang”… Yin and Yan to explain it in a simple way is to understand that everything has its opposite… Light/Dark, Good/Evil.
In Reiki illness is due to negative energy blocking the energy channels of the body. So, as I explained “Ki” has the two aspects of “Yin and Yang” … how is this energy coming from God? And even if you tried to use the Holy Spirit as an example… it would be a moot example because God is 3 Divine Persons, but still one God. God cannot be divided into Good and evil.
There is no way that God in the Christian sense can contain this duality of Light/Dark… Good/Evil. And even in the Eastern understanding of it… They don’t use the concept of a creator God to describe “Ki”. If you look at other Eastern energy methods “Tai Chi, Chi kung, Shiatsu… etc” Ki (or Chi in Chinese) is a universal life force, but it is impersonal and not compatible to the concept of a Creator God.
I don’t understand how you can use a method of Reiki described as “Christian Reiki” when just in using my example of “Ki” you can see it is not compatible with the Eastern concept of how the universe functions.
Plus, you have over 40 different kinds of Reiki that exist today. **Doesn’t that raise the red flag that this is not of God? **If Reiki and its methods of healing is from God, why are there over 40 types of Reiki? I think too many people jump onto the alternative therapies bandwagon without looking at the origins of all these therapies or breaking it down to really understand the ideas and concepts at their foundation.
No matter how you try to go around it… Reiki is not compatible with Catholicism… nor with Christianity. Many non-Catholic Christians believe in the Trinity. And if you believe in the the Trinity… Father, Son and Holy Spirit you will see no duality of energy like you do with Ki in Reiki. **God is not divided He is ONE. **
God bless
First of all if you look at the different parts that make up Reiki it is easy to see that you cannot possibly say that God at least in the Christian sense of who God is, is giving any healing power through Reiki healing sessions.
In Reiki they use the life-force energy** “Ki”** and if you understand Eastern spirituality and what exactly Ki is you will see it is not compatible with the idea/concept of a God. Ki is the life-force for everything in the universe and is divided into two aspects called “Yin and Yang”… Yin and Yan to explain it in a simple way is to understand that everything has its opposite… Light/Dark, Good/Evil.
In Reiki illness is due to negative energy blocking the energy channels of the body. So, as I explained “Ki” has the two aspects of “Yin and Yang” … how is this energy coming from God? And even if you tried to use the Holy Spirit as an example… it would be a moot example because God is 3 Divine Persons, but still one God. God cannot be divided into Good and evil.
There is no way that God in the Christian sense can contain this duality of Light/Dark… Good/Evil. And even in the Eastern understanding of it… They don’t use the concept of a creator God to describe “Ki”. If you look at other Eastern energy methods “Tai Chi, Chi kung, Shiatsu… etc” Ki (or Chi in Chinese) is a universal life force, but it is impersonal and not compatible to the concept of a Creator God.
I don’t understand how you can use a method of Reiki described as “Christian Reiki” when just in using my example of “Ki” you can see it is not compatible with the Eastern concept of how the universe functions.
Plus, you have over 40 different kinds of Reiki that exist today. **Doesn’t that raise the red flag that this is not of God? **If Reiki and its methods of healing is from God, why are there over 40 types of Reiki? I think too many people jump onto the alternative therapies bandwagon without looking at the origins of all these therapies or breaking it down to really understand the ideas and concepts at their foundation.
No matter how you try to go around it… Reiki is not compatible with Catholicism… nor with Christianity. Many non-Catholic Christians believe in the Trinity. And if you believe in the the Trinity… Father, Son and Holy Spirit you will see no duality of energy like you do with Ki in Reiki. **God is not divided He is ONE. **
God bless
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jlcasey
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What an excellent explanation! It is ultimately a very grevious matter for the Church - the Body of Christ today. Although I know that the Bible says many people will go into apostacy in the end times so I guess I shouldn’t be suprised, but only pray.
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Al_Masetti
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Is there such a thing as “invisible energy”?
Is there such a thing as “situational awareness”?
Is there such a thing as “guided imagery”?
If there are such things, then is using them considered an occult practice?
If someone has high blood pressure and racing pulse, can these techniques be legitimately used to return them to normal levels?
Where do hypnosis techniques fit into the equation?
How does Reiki differ from or is similar to any of the above?
Is there such a thing as “situational awareness”?
Is there such a thing as “guided imagery”?
If there are such things, then is using them considered an occult practice?
If someone has high blood pressure and racing pulse, can these techniques be legitimately used to return them to normal levels?
Where do hypnosis techniques fit into the equation?
How does Reiki differ from or is similar to any of the above?
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MargieOh
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I just finished reading a wonderful book about a woman who engaged in New Age practices and through the grace of God and the Blessed Mother’s intercession, came back to her Catholic faith. I would HIGHLY recommend it to those arguing both sides of this issue.
The book is** “Ransomed from Darkness”** by Moira Noonan. It was out of print for a while buit is now back in print and available through Amazon or Spirit Daily.
Reading this book has opened my eyes to the inherent dangers of the New Age movement. My boss at work is heavily in to all this garbage and speaks of it to me constantly. She is an “advanced Reiki healer” and now I am worried that she may be trying to “heal me” without my knowledge.
Please pray for me !!! Thanks.
The book is** “Ransomed from Darkness”** by Moira Noonan. It was out of print for a while buit is now back in print and available through Amazon or Spirit Daily.
Reading this book has opened my eyes to the inherent dangers of the New Age movement. My boss at work is heavily in to all this garbage and speaks of it to me constantly. She is an “advanced Reiki healer” and now I am worried that she may be trying to “heal me” without my knowledge.
Please pray for me !!! Thanks.
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