Rejection because of SSA

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

KEVIN WILCOX;6896264:

Heterosexuality is the way God designed us to be,

Presumption to think “heterosexual” is the only way.

in order to procreate

True, heterosexuals procreate but that’s not the chief end of man.

and experience the love He has for His church

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Homosexuals also are open to the Love of God. Before healing anyone Jesus didn’t ask their sexuality.

Homosexuality came along as part of the Fall when sin entered the world which is the reason for all evil happening in the world.

Presumption to claim homosexuality as result of the Fall.

True, some with SSA said they never had anything bad happen to them, happy home, etc. The subconscious is a powerful tool, though and one can be affected in utero, by parents attitudes toward their children, etc. Something manifested in the subconscious that affected the child.

Keep digging you’re gonna find something. But this line of argument could also be a cause for heterosexual orientation.

No SSA is not a choice where the feelings are concerned, but it is a choice to act on it.

And you fail to justify your reason for thinking it evil. Fact is, homosexuality, like it or not, is a mystery and little understood.

 

[quettandil]

Presumption to think “heterosexual” is the only way.

We know from Scripture, Tradition, and Magisterium that, of the wide range of ways people can imagine using their sexual apparatus, a great many of them do not please God. From the same sources we know that one use of sex does please God: in a lifelong marriage between one man and one woman, in a way that allows conception to result should God so choose. There is no evidence that homosexual acts ever please God, and there are several passages (in both the Old and New Testaments) in which they are represented as definitely not pleasing Him, just like many of the possible heterosexual acts.

(Before you pull out John Boswell’s Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality or some later source that goes back to him, I have read that book, and he gives absolutely no evidence in support of his claim that arsenokoitai in 1 Cor. 6:9 meant male prostitutes—no indication it was ever actually used that way. He does, however, let slip in a footnote that in the Greek Old Testament that St. Paul knew (the Septuagint), the two components of this word are used in Lev. 18:22 to denote the homosexual act. St. Paul would then have coined this new word in Greek to mean anyone who violates Lev. 18:22, replacing the usual Greek terms, because those were restricted to relationships between different ages.)

Homosexuals also are open to the Love of God. Before healing anyone Jesus didn’t ask their sexuality.

He didn’t have to ask; He already knew. But being open to the Love of God entails being open to what God demands. Homosexuals who persist in the practice of homosexual acts are open to the love of God only on condition that He not demand that they give up those practices. What if He does? (The same can be said for heterosexuals in adulterous relationships, pornography addicts, etc., etc. Even within a heterosexual marriage He sometimes requires the spouses to give up sexual activity.)

And you fail to justify your reason for thinking it evil. Fact is, homosexuality, like it or not, is a mystery and little understood.

Likewise most of the other alternative sexualities in the Krafft-Ebing hit parade. Heterosexuality, on the other hand, is quite understandable both biologically and theologically.

 

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He also talked about taking the beam out of our own eye before removing the splinter from our neighbours’.
If we are concerned more with the perceived failings of our neighbour we avoid tackling our own problems. Avoidance becomes a lifestyle, and an excuse not to grow.

I’m not concerned about the splinter in your eye or your perceived failings. I am concerned about your arguments and claims and their relation to the truth revealed through the Church.

 

[ladybri77]

ladybri77;6898446:

KEVIN WILCOX;6896264:

True, heterosexuals procreate but that’s not the chief end of man.

He also wants them to be in loving relationships where there is a possibility of creating life, note I said creating life. That is God’s plan. Have you read the Bible concerning God’s plan for man and woman? “In the beginning, He made them male and female…that they should leave their parents and cleave to one another…” “Go and multiply…” This is clearly evidence that God made them male and female to come together and reproduce in loving matrimony, i.e. obvious physical differences… obvious evidence. Why else would He speak against fornication as being sin?

So much evidence, so unwilling to see the Truth…

Praying for you…