Rejoice!

[Missa_Solemnis]

Face it…

The average amount of children in FSSP and other trad Parishes are 5. (considering only peoples who have been married long enough to even have five children)

The average amount of children in Catholic parishes vary from none to 3.

By sheer number our army shall prevail!

That should be our new strategy. Get off CAF and make more babies.

Once we outnumber the liberals, well outnumber the Protestants, and eventually the human race!

Since everyone knows radical traditionalists are another species altogether different then regular humans

 

[Windmill]

I think that faithful adherence to Humana Vitae will be the saving grace for the church as a whole. The dissenters will be outbred over generations. It’s simple demographics.

That’s not to say that dissenters need to be eradicated, but that dissension itself will come to its ultimate self-demise.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

I think that faithful adherence to Humana Vitae will be the saving grace for the church as a whole. The dissenters will be outbred over generations. It’s simple demographics.

That’s not to say that dissenters need to be eradicated, but that dissension itself will come to its ultimate self-demise.

Yes well If I made a clone of my above post, and had wanted to present what I was saying in seriousness. Your post took the words right out of my mouth.

 

[devotus]

Face it…

That should be our new strategy. Get off CAF and make more babies.

Once we outnumber the liberals, will outnumber the Protestants, and eventually the human race!

Sounds like a Plan to me!!!

( kidding aside… that the main reason for islamic growth)

 

[Rykell]

Devotus:
Interesting? You bet, even to me, for between the time of looking at this graph and mentally picturing another one that circulated on the forum concerning the infrequency of one or two per month, I developed evil designs and deliberately twisted things for my own agenda. Bad me. (Your interpretation?)

I would bet that most joe in the pew catholic has no idea about the TLM and it so much more than a Mass said in latin.

There is no reason they would need to know, for unless a large (25% or more*) majority would request it, I believe he would not be offering to celebrate it. As for the healing masses and children’s masses, these are lawful N.O. masses, so it is understandable that they might have a momentary announcement at the proper time. Many parishes specifically hold healing masses to administer the sacrament of the sick to those in need. Why would you be indignant about that? And I would think CCD students have been to children’s masses as well.

• 25% of 3,000 parishioners =750. Are you seriously believing that many would request it?

 

[E.E.N.S]

Yes well If I made a clone of my above post, and had wanted to present what I was saying in seriousness. Your post took the words right out of my mouth.

Or if you made a clone of yourself, then you could be both an ordained FSSP priest as well as a super dad and have 12 kids!

Oh wait, we can’t do the whole cloning thing huh?

 

[E.E.N.S]

Just wanted to bring to your attention an excellent post made by Fr. John Zuhlsdorf which captures my thoughts precisely.

Here is a quote from the post:
Mass is not merely a “teaching moment” or a “celebration of unity” or a “tedious obligation”. Our choice of music, architecture, ceremonies and language affect more than one small congregation in one building. We are interconnected in both our common human nature and in baptism. When we sin we hurt the whole Body of Christ the Church. If that is true for sin, it must also be true for our liturgical choices. They must also have personal and corporate impact. Any Mass can be offered for the intentions of the living or the dead. Not even death is an obstacle to the efficacy of Holy Mass. Celebrate Mass well, participate properly – affect the whole world. Celebrate poorly – affect the whole world.
Read the entire post here: Save the Liturgy, Save the World…

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Or if you made a clone of yourself, then you could be both an ordained FSSP priest as well as a super dad and have 12 kids!

Oh wait, we can’t do the whole cloning thing huh?

lol

Maybe we can get an indult for cloning?

I have a feeling the bishops would grant an indult for that sooner than they would the TLM.

 

[devotus]

There is no reason they ( the parish) would need to know, for unless a large (25% or more*) majority would request it,/QUOTE]

:ehh: ???

A classic case of circular logic
Rykell;1928216:

As for the healing masses and children’s masses, these are lawful N.O. masses, so it is understandable that they might have a momentary announcement at the proper time. :

I would not bet the farm that these are lawful Masses

“Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority.”

Sacrosanctum Concilium Vatican II

Many parishes specifically hold healing masses to administer the sacrament of the sick to those in need. Why would you be indignant about that? And I would think CCD students have been to children’s masses as well.

• 25% of 3,000 parishioners =750. Are you seriously believing that many would request it?

My point is simple… If the NO parish makes announcements on these Mass why not the TLM as well which is LAWFUL…

In his 1997 book Salt of the Earth, then-Cardinal Ratzinger wrote wrote: "I am of the opinion that the old rite should be granted much more generously to all those who desire it. It’s impossible to grasp what could be dangerous or unacceptable about that. A community that suddenly declares that what, until now, was its holiest and highest possession is strictly forbidden makes the longing for it seem downright indecent, calls its very self into question.”

 

[Rykell]

I would not bet the farm that these are lawful Masses

“Therefore no other person, even if he be a priest, may add, remove, or change anything in the liturgy on his own authority.”

I would, Devotus. The church has a separate canon for children’s liturgies. It is very beautiful, in case you have never seen it.

Maybe we are not on the same page with regard to healing masses. By that, I mean the Church offers a regular N.O. liturgy and then administers the sacrament of the sick. These are commonly offered in a local parish and advertised in the surrounding parish bulletins.

I revert back to my original premise that the bishop is the one who regulates liturgy for the diocese, and until a Motu Proprio is issued, the priest needs permission to celebrate it. So why would he advertise it? Going back to 25%-ile of parishioners who want it, they would need to be more vocal. A lady in my neighborhood was very disturbed about a very large billboard being installed nearby, and on her own, she went knocking on every door with signatures to oppose it. She won. What’s to stop really intersted people from getting more support in a similar manner? I just don’t believe there is that great degree of interest, to tell the truth.

That being said, I think it might be good (like the healing masses) to hold a TLM, not in every parish, but in a central location where many other parishes could avail themselves of it. Perhaps when the M.P. is issued, that would be a viable solution.

 

[AlexV]

There is no “Canon” for Children’s Masses. There is a “Directory”, which does not have juridical force.

It has the humdinger of a rubric of advising AGAINST Daily Mass for children.

 

[devotus]

I revert back to my original premise that the bishop is the one who regulates liturgy for the diocese, and until a Motu Proprio is issued, the priest needs permission to celebrate it. So why would he advertise it? .

Its a crazy idea but if the bishop is following the Holy Father will in allowing “a wide and generous application … for the use of the Roman Missal … of 1962.” would He not instruct his priests to see if there is interest?

Only a few “geeks” ( like me and you) follow what is said in Rome about the liturgy - 99% of catholics have no idea

I do not recall the Holy Father requesting “wide and generous” application of the Clown Mass ( as an example) yet many Bishops promote these

 

[Unfinished]

That should be our new strategy. Get off CAF and make more babies.

I can’t…I want to be a traditional priest.

We are coming back around. We will breed the liberalism out! There is so many kids at my parish it is silly.

Rykell,

There are two other priests, and a large portion of a parish, in my diocese requesting another indult. The need is out there. The Bishops are slow to provide it, or many (MOST) outright refuse.

We are starting up a Latin Mass community for the sole purpose or promoting the Latin Mass. Orthodoxy and Tradition are in. This happy clappy, hand holding, guitar playing stuff is on its way out the door.

I may be a very old man, or dead, before I see many of these fruits. But it will happen.

 

[Adonis33]

I can’t…I want to be a traditional priest.

What does that have to do with making babies?

(just kidding)

 

[Unfinished]

I would also like to point out that most Catholics do not care about the liturgy.

If they showed up one day, and the priest was ad orientem, they would wonder why. But upon being told why, they would dismiss it and accept it as normal.

The same goes with the Latin Mass. If it was offered, as it was supposed to be, more regularly, people could become accustomed to it. Then, when they became sick of the (to quote my mother: “Protestant type worship”. [The abuse around here is pretty awful]) They would migrate to the Latin Mass. But this generation of Catholics JUST DOESN’T KNOW ANY BETTER! And they SHOULD. So we need to bring it to them.

I know, God willing, if I get ordained I will.

Edit: If the quote from my mother was uncharitable, I ask that a mod please edit it so I don’t get in trouble.

 

[paramedicgirl]

I think that faithful adherence to Humana Vitae will be the saving grace for the church as a whole. The dissenters will be outbred over generations. It’s simple demographics.

That’s not to say that dissenters need to be eradicated, but that dissension itself will come to its ultimate self-demise.

And that is a logical conclusion.

 

[Rykell]

Alex:

There is no “Canon” for Children’s Masses. There is a “Directory”, which does not have juridical force.
It has the humdinger of a rubric of advising AGAINST Daily Mass for children.

Against? I disagree. The source, please?

usccb.org/liturgy/q&a/mass/child.shtml

catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/EPC1-3.htm

 

[Rykell]

Devotus:

It’s a crazy idea but if the bishop is following the Holy Father will in allowing “a wide and generous application … for the use of the Roman Missal … of 1962.” would He not instruct his priests to see if there is interest?

I don’t know whether they did ask this of their priests or not. We are only little cogs in a big USA, and do not attend bishops conferences. I am too young to know whether the pastors took a census that many years ago, either. But I do know that Jesus said, “He who hears you, hears ME.” So whatever they have decided, until it is changed for one reason or another by M.P. or independently of it, my faith moves me to assent, whether I like it or not.

 

[AlexV]

We are not ignorant little children who must wait for the “experts” to make decisions for us.

We are supposed to have the sensus fidei. The bishops (and the pope) are GUARDIANS of a tradition, not creators of it.

 

[Trident59]

So, our ArchBishop is quietly discerning whether there is adequate interest in a Tridentine Mass. That is really amazing. We have now collected over 300 signatures of adults that are requesting a TLM and our group can’t get past the Archbishops secretary; let alone to the priest placement board. And not a peep from his Excellency.

Oh, I almost forgot; we are one of four groups in the western part of the state that are working hard to get more access to the TLM.