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James0235
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No more aggressive than your tone, Coach. You come across as a Troll who is only here to attack the TLM. That may or may not be your intent. But, it is certainly the way your are coming across.
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Just_1_hr_a_wk
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Your take on my ‘tone’ is coming from the mistaken idea that I am this Coach person.
I have never once attacked the TLM.
I have questioned many things that have been said and have gone on in the last few years regarding how wanted it is and what it means to the OF.**
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brotherhrolf
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Um, quite simply, your opposition to the MP? Should I have thought otherwise? You have thrown objection after objection against it. Have I misinterpreted your comments? The Holy Father has spoken yet you rail against his MP. I’ll give you this, at least you are honest in your opposition. My bishop merely “acknowledged” it.
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brotherhrolf
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And why? WHY? It’s not going to affect you or anyone else who prefers the OF. So why the opposition? Why?
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palmas85
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You lost me completely with this one. Could you please explain it?
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Just_1_hr_a_wk
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**Railed against it??
Where and how did I rail against it??
Exactly what do you see as my ‘opposition to it’?
I have acknowledged it - I accept its reality.
I don’t accept the assort spins put on it (mostly by traditional Catholics) that turn it into a ‘just give it to me now and don’t dare tell me no’.**
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Just_1_hr_a_wk
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Seems my first inclination was right - it is an accusation.
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Walking_Home
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Good question. After following along in the thread — what is becoming more clear— the purpose seems to be — to instigate trouble.
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pnewton
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FYI - a troll is usually reserved for one who uses hit and run tactics. That is not the case here
(New thought not related to James0235). As far as attacking the TLM, I believe this is a case where fignting fire with fire is an exercise in futility. For those who have attacked the current Mass, I believe the worst tactic would be to attack the TLM. far better to attack nothing at all than find oneself “kicking against the pricks” as th Bible puts it. For those who wish the current Mass would disappear, dream on. For those who wish traditionalist would go away and take the TLM with them, ditto. We best starting learning to compromise and leave with each other or else this sort of conflict could easily exist on a parish level everywhere. Better to follow the advice of Paul for us each to seek the good of the other first.
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Indyann
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Originally Posted by pnewton
I think I would like to challenge the basic premise here. Not the future predictions, which I find hard to swallow, but the basic idea that anyone is afraid of the TLM. So I ask in this large forum of Catholics, is one, even one person afraid of the TLM?
Not afraid at all. I just happen to prefer the Mass in English. I was a young mother of 3 children when the change occurred. I was very happy with the changes.
And when they added a “cry room”, I was ecstatic!
I did not feel like my roots were torn out or that they had thrown my church out or any such thing.
I have never witnessed any liturgical dancers, clown masses or any of that tripe that some like to fling about.
I actually went to a TLM low Mass a couple of weeks ago (by accident). It was printed in the bulletin that it was “English” Mass. When I got there, it was “Latin Mass”.
I almost didn’t go in because I did not have a head covering, but I peeked in the glass doors and saw 3 or 4 uncovered heads so I went in.
The Mass itself was very reverent. But I was quite surprised that confession went on clear up to the Elevation. The priest came out of the confessional and left the church. I thought that very odd.
So, I may go again once in awhile, but I much prefer to attend a reverent N.O.
I do not know anyone who is “threatened” or “afraid” of the Tridentine Mass.
I do know more than a few are totally put off by the attitudes of some so-called “Traditionalists”.
I think I would like to challenge the basic premise here. Not the future predictions, which I find hard to swallow, but the basic idea that anyone is afraid of the TLM. So I ask in this large forum of Catholics, is one, even one person afraid of the TLM?
Not afraid at all. I just happen to prefer the Mass in English. I was a young mother of 3 children when the change occurred. I was very happy with the changes.
And when they added a “cry room”, I was ecstatic!
I did not feel like my roots were torn out or that they had thrown my church out or any such thing.
I have never witnessed any liturgical dancers, clown masses or any of that tripe that some like to fling about.
I actually went to a TLM low Mass a couple of weeks ago (by accident). It was printed in the bulletin that it was “English” Mass. When I got there, it was “Latin Mass”.
I almost didn’t go in because I did not have a head covering, but I peeked in the glass doors and saw 3 or 4 uncovered heads so I went in.
The Mass itself was very reverent. But I was quite surprised that confession went on clear up to the Elevation. The priest came out of the confessional and left the church. I thought that very odd.
So, I may go again once in awhile, but I much prefer to attend a reverent N.O.
I do not know anyone who is “threatened” or “afraid” of the Tridentine Mass.
I do know more than a few are totally put off by the attitudes of some so-called “Traditionalists”.
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LarryRay
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Apparently, you don’t get out much.
Read a little about the history of my diocese…
sffaith.com/ed/articles/1999/0399gm2.htm
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pnewton
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That is why I put the question out. I have yet to get the first person to agree with you. I bet you could make it a poll and not get a single person to agree with you.
Where in your article did you see someone say they were afraid of the TLM?
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Indyann
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No, I do not get out of Indiana very often.
Huntz finds it puzzling that prelates would treat the Latin Mass like a threat to Vatican II.
The article states that (in his opinion) prelates treat the Latin Mass like a threat to Vatican II.
My statement stands. I do not know anyone who is “threatened” or “afraid” of the TLM.
Nice try, though.
Huntz finds it puzzling that prelates would treat the Latin Mass like a threat to Vatican II.
The article states that (in his opinion) prelates treat the Latin Mass like a threat to Vatican II.
My statement stands. I do not know anyone who is “threatened” or “afraid” of the TLM.
Nice try, though.
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pnewton
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Yes. Fear is not mentioned. It is spelled f-e-a-r. My English skills are fine. I might ask you the same question you asked me.
What you are making is called and assumption or an inference. Without breaking assumption down into its spelling, let me just say that assumption may or may not be correct.
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Just_1_hr_a_wk
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I can – this shows the spokesperson’s spin:
“That story is accurate,” said Jude Huntz, a spokesperson for the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter. “He just gave a very brief negative reply.” Huntz finds it puzzling that prelates would treat the Latin Mass like a threat to Vatican II.
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AlexV
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Some bishops are generous. Other bishops are obstinate and obstructionist.
Ecclesia Dei (forget SP for a minute) asked for “generosity”. Refusal of all requests is not “generosity”, no matter how you spin it.
Ecclesia Dei (forget SP for a minute) asked for “generosity”. Refusal of all requests is not “generosity”, no matter how you spin it.
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LarryRay
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Okay, YOU don’t know anyone who’s “threatened” or “afraid” of the TLM.
Man, some of you folks remind me of Humpty Dumpty in Lewis Carroll’s Through the Looking Glass.
No reasonable person could interpret the words and actions of Archbishops Quinn and Levada with respect to the TLM as anything but the response of men who were afraid of and threatened by the TLM. When you declare something “divisive” without allowing it to be tried, what is that but fear? When you turn down the FSSP’s offer to send a priest to San Francisco, what is that but fear? I mean, it’s hardly like there wasn’t any room for another priest here!
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Just_1_hr_a_wk
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It is quite possible that the Archbishops have information that you or even FSSP does not have - fear does not have to have any part in the decisions they make.
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AlexV
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The pope asked bishops to be “generous” in 1988.
Refusal of ALL requests is NOT generosity.
End of story.
Refusal of ALL requests is NOT generosity.
End of story.
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