Relatively few catholics prefer the TLM

[Just_1_hr_a_wk]

You are blessed, my friend, if this is so. We’ve driven 25 miles for the last 25 years beyond the borders of our geographical parishes (two of them) because the contrary was true. Not three years ago I heard the a’strummin’ and a’grinnin’ version of Prepare Ye the Way of the Lord from Godspell sung as an Advent Introit in my geographic parish. I’m sorry I just don’t see the great moderation.

EVERY mass in ALL those local parishes are folk masses?

 

[Alycin]

Let me start off by saying that I have never been to a TLM and I haven’t been to a whole lot of NO services, either. I am not even officially Catholic yet.

However…

I think I would like the TLM, not because it’s easy to understand or because I would be able to follow every word, but because it’s another one of those things that I would feel unites me to my Catholic ancestors… something that’s been passed down for quite some time.

And also because, as someone else on this forum mentioned, the Mass isn’t supposed to be for us. It’s supposed to be for GOD. It’s supposed to be a time and place of worship and thankfulness and just being in complete awe of our creator… not a therapy-like “let’s focus on how to make our (temporary) lives on earth better for an hour” kinda thing.

Another thing that gets to me is when I am in a church (usually protestant) and people are checking their watches, wondering, hoping that things will get wrapped up before kick-off. I know this happens because my dad does it… lol… and also I once heard a pastor say, “Don’t worry, I’ll keep the sermon short today, I know the Cowboys are playing.”

To me it’s just like… whhhaaaat? Are you serious? You’re scheduling God around a football game? REALLY?

Also, I wasn’t alive in the 70’s but isn’t that the decade that the whole love-sex-rock-n-roll thing was going on? The decade when a lot of people decided that the most important thing in life was… well… self? And making yourself feel good?

Could just be me but maybe this line of thinking seeped into even the Mass?

 

[palmas85]

Calling people ‘haters’ is getting soo old and tired.

If it wasn’t true there would be no need to say it.

 

[Just_1_hr_a_wk]

If it wasn’t true there would be no need to say it.

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It is thrown out as a label so often that it has lost much of its meaning and impact becoming just an annoyance like mosquitoes.**

 

[palmas85]

Obviously you never read the book…“How to win friends and influence people.”

The actual Mass sounds as though it were quite wonderful. That would have sufficed to get your point across without the vitriolic non-sense.

I use the word haters because that is what many of them are. Haters of tradition, haters of the Traditional Mass and haters of Catholicism itself. they cloak themselves in feel good platitudes and use phrases such as,

" Well of course the EF is fine. It should be available IF enough people want it. But in my parish no one wants it"

or how about this one

" I love the EF, but I really wish it was in the vernacular and said facing the people had a little more community involvement and we could receive in the hand."

As far as saying no one was there, hey, thats what they say. No one goes to the Traditional Mass.

I just didn’t want them to feel bad at finding out people do attend the Traditional Mass and that more attend it all the time… You know, being charitable to their feelings and all.

You can’t fault me for trying to be charitable now can you?

 

[palmas85]

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It is thrown out as a label so often that it has lost much of its meaning and impact becoming just an annoyance like mosquitoes.**

As I said, if there was no need for it, I wouldn’t use it. There is a need, a valid need, so I’ll use it.

Hey, if it doesn’t pertain to you, why would it bother you?

 

[rien]

If we were going back to the TLM totally, that might make sense. If things change and the Vatican did decide, I hope every one would be open to obedience. Otherwise, with this just being extraodinary form, what would be the point in forcing it. If there was no interest, the other Masses would increase in attendence and the priest might be using his time less efficiently.

This is the point. The interest is not here in the bay Area. I am actually surprised the Archbishop made the number so low - and reasonable IMO - 30 memebers interested.

But St. Brendans has on paper anyway several thosuand families. And after months just around 20 have expressed interest.

That is a reality and the Vatican can’t and won’t I’m sure designate any specific number as acceptable. 30 is more than reasonable.

 

[LarryRay]

This is the point. The interest is not here in the bay Area. I am actually surprised the Archbishop made the number so low - and reasonable IMO - 30 memebers interested.

Byt St. Brandanas has on paper anyway several thosuand families. And after months just around 20 are interested.

That is a reality and the Vatican can’t and won’t I’m sure designate any number as acceptable. 30 is more than reasonable.

Look, I’m not a parishioner at St. Brendan’s (and from your repeated misspellings of its name, I’m guessing that you’re not either). However, I’d be interested in knowing more details about this claim that only “20 people” are interested. Was there a petition? If so, was it publicized in the parish bulletin? Were signatures collected after Mass? Was it mentioned by the pastor from the altar? These would all be relevant. Rather than assuming that most of the “thousand or so” parishioners aren’t interested in the TLM petition, it’s quite possible that the overwhelming majority don’t even know about it.

 

[Ave_Maria_1]

So few modern Catholics have even been exposed to the TLM if under the age of 50.

We did not have an indult in my diocese and no of no TLM at this time but I certainly will go at the first opportunity! I did get to attend one in the east last October and all I could do was ask the Lord–WHY? Why was this taken?

Ave Maria!

 

[Milliardo]

Even here in the Philippines, few seem to be interested in the TLM. My mom grew up with the TLM and said she’s happy now with the Novus Ordu, and doesn’t want to go back to the TLM. Our parish simply doesn’t have any interest at all with it; I think the parish pastoral council already talked about it, and there was simply no interest whatsoever (and to think that most members of the pastoral council had experienced the TLM).

 

[pnewton]

That is a reality and the Vatican can’t and won’t I’m sure designate any specific number as acceptable. 30 is more than reasonable.

I would think so. Moreover, I think any number would be enough to grant some acknowledgement. Let us put this in perspective. I we were not talking about the TLM, but some other initiative, the level of introduction would be commensurate with interest. As time went one, if interest grew, so would the program. The reverse being true if interest waned. A wise pastor would be willing to be open-minded either way and at least try it.

 

[TMGallyon85]

One of the reasons I started this thread was, I am leary that many catholics leaning to the left are stating terms like “relatively few catholics” to downplay the Motu proprio allowing greater use. Obviously there are few catholics compared to the many attending the OF, but you have to admit, many members even some bishops have downplayed the EF since the Motu proprio came out. What these folks fear is things like tradition and truth will one again reign and the liberalism of the 60’s will finally fade into history.

 

[LarryRay]

I think the parish pastoral council already talked about it, and there was simply no interest whatsoever (and to think that most members of the pastoral council had experienced the TLM).

See, I don’t find that surprising at all. The people who are going to be on a “pastoral council” are exactly the sort of folks who are going to be happy with the status quo. They like being extraordinary Eucharistic ministers, lectors, and having all the other little ego trips that are possible for them within the N.O. structure. Of course, they’re going to oppose a return to a form of the Mass where the focus is on God rather than on them.

 

[pnewton]

I use the word haters because that is what many of them are. Haters of tradition, haters of the Traditional Mass and haters of Catholicism itself. they cloak themselves in feel good platitudes and use phrases such as,

" Well of course the EF is fine. It should be available IF enough people want it. But in my parish no one wants it"

You can’t fault me for trying to be charitable now can you?

I have used that first “platitude” because it is true. That scarcely makes me hate anything. The reason I like to bring out the misuse of your term is to uncloak propaganda and rhetoric for what it is. This sort of gross assumtption, exaggeration and misrepresentatin distorts truth and replaces it with a lie. When people use propaganda, it undermines any truth they may have to share.

 

[Milliardo]

See, I don’t find that surprising at all. The people who are going to be on a “pastoral council” are exactly the sort of folks who are going to be happy with the status quo. They like being extraordinary Eucharistic ministers, lectors, and having all the other little ego trips that are possible for them within the N.O. structure. Of course, they’re going to oppose a return to a form of the Mass where the focus is on God rather than on them.

On that point I cannot say, since we do not know what the exact notions of each member of the pastoral council regarding that matter are. I would like to think that they have far loftier motives than simply their egos.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Did they lock the doors and keep you out of church after 1969?
Many things you had to put up with, many things you could continue privately or substitute others private practices for.

No they just threw the Church in which I grew up out the window in 1969 - lock, stock, and barrel. Literally one Sunday we sang Latin and the next Sunday we were a’strummin’ and a’grinnin’/

 

[brotherhrolf]

Something that comes through loud and clear…why would a return to the TLM be a threat to anyone in th OF community?.

 

[pnewton]

Something that comes through loud and clear…why would a return to the TLM be a threat to anyone in th OF community?.

I do not think it is a threat, especially as presented in recent events. If we were to go 100% to the TLM, sure there are some things I would miss, but such is life. Not that I think it likely, but I would miss the music at Mass and understanding the prayers of consecration.

An additional note - I would also take it as a challenge to help implement any changes. I would try to support the pastor in what would be a difficult change. I think there would be enough gripers.

 

[Just_1_hr_a_wk]

One of the reasons I started this thread was, I am leary that many catholics leaning to the left are stating terms like “relatively few catholics” to downplay the Motu proprio allowing greater use. Obviously there are few catholics compared to the many attending the OF, but you have to admit, many members even some bishops have downplayed the EF since the Motu proprio came out. What these folks fear is things like tradition and truth will one again reign and the liberalism of the 60’s will finally fade into history.

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The MP was not issued to drum up interest in the TLM.**

 

[Just_1_hr_a_wk]

No they just threw the Church in which I grew up out the window in 1969 - lock, stock, and barrel. Literally one Sunday we sang Latin and the next Sunday we were a’strummin’ and a’grinnin’/

AT each and every mass?