Relic help St. Pius X

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I recently aquired a first class relic of Pope St. Pius X, it doesn’t have any papers but it was rescued from a house fire - I know its authentic.

The relic is encased in a brass round container and under glass. I’d like to know what these letters stand for.

They read as such:

S. PII X. C.P.
  • S. This I’m assuming means saint
  • PII not sure, maybe Pope
  • X Tenth
  • C. not sure
  • P. not sure
This is my first relic of this nature (first class). I’d like more info of care, use of, display, blessing with (if appropriate), praying with, etc.

Thank you.
 
S. PII X. C.P.
  • S. This I’m assuming means saint
  • PII not sure, maybe Pope
  • X Tenth
  • C. not sure
  • P. not sure
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The initials are from the Latin

Sancte
Pii
X
Confessoris
Papae

Saint
Pius
the Tenth
Confessor
Pope
 
dizzy_dave said:
I recently aquired a first class relic of Pope St. Pius X, it doesn’t have any papers but it was rescued from a house fire - I know its authentic.

The relic is encased in a brass round container and under glass. I’d like to know what these letters stand for.

They read as such:

S. PII X. C.P.
  • S. This I’m assuming means saint
  • PII not sure, maybe Pope
  • X Tenth
  • C. not sure
  • P. not sure
This is my first relic of this nature (first class). I’d like more info of care, use of, display, blessing with (if appropriate), praying with, etc.

Thank you.
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If it has no papers how do you KNOW its authentic.
Even the Church does not declare a relic to be authentic.

Extract from Catholic Encyclopedia on relics:

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Neither has the Church ever pronounced that any particular relic, not even that commonly venerated as the wood of the Cross, is authentic; but she approves of honor being paid to those relics which with reasonable probability are believed to be genuine, and which are invested with due ecclesiastical sanctions.

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thistle said:
If it has no papers how do you KNOW its authentic.
Even the Church does not declare a relic to be authentic.
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Sorry, its a figure of speech, it looks old and looks like all the “real” relics I’ve ever seen. I’ve seen some fake on the the net and they look new even though they are supposed to be old.

I don’t know for sure, but the source is very trustworthy and he said the same about his source.
 
A friend of mine recently was given a relic also. She said that the woman who gave it to her claims it is a genuine relic. The writing inside says S. Pius Pp. X. I don’t think this will help you but I was wondering if yours may have had the writing damaged in the fire.
Also I was wondering if there are any blessings or prayers that are known for this relic?
 
thistle said:
If it has no papers how do you KNOW its authentic.
Even the Church does not declare a relic to be authentic.

Extract from Catholic Encyclopedia on relics:

QUOTE

Neither has the Church ever pronounced that any particular relic, not even that commonly venerated as the wood of the Cross, is authentic; but she approves of honor being paid to those relics which with reasonable probability are believed to be genuine, and which are invested with due ecclesiastical sanctions.

UNQUOTE
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No doubt , that there is real relics of Pope St. Pius X. He didn’t die that long ago and one can see his body in Rome. The paragraph you quoted refers to relics of Our Lord and of the early Saints, they lived so long ago that we can’t be sure if those relics are real.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3233/2981730434_9574b314f8.jpg
 
dizzy_dave said:
I recently aquired a first class relic of Pope St. Pius X, it doesn’t have any papers but it was rescued from a house fire - I know its authentic.

The relic is encased in a brass round container and under glass. I’d like to know what these letters stand for.

They read as such:

S. PII X. C.P.
  • S. This I’m assuming means saint
  • PII not sure, maybe Pope
  • X Tenth
  • C. not sure
  • P. not sure
This is my first relic of this nature (first class). I’d like more info of care, use of, display, blessing with (if appropriate), praying with, etc.

Thank you.
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Is the wax seal in back still intact? Did it melt ? If the seal melted I think it would be harder to get a document certifying the authenticity of the relic. The relic can no longer be used for public veneration but only private.If you want to learn more about sacred relics , I invite you to join this forum:
relic-forum.heavenforum.com/forum.htm
There you can ask your question .
You can buy a nice reliquary for it at:

accollectibles.ecrater.com/c/345968/reliquaries-miniature-monstrances
 
dizzy_dave said:
I recently aquired a first class relic of Pope St. Pius X, it doesn’t have any papers but it was rescued from a house fire - I know its authentic.
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That is amazing! How would one get a relic like this? I would love to have a relic of any saint!
 
smg123 said:
A friend of mine recently was given a relic also. She said that the woman who gave it to her claims it is a genuine relic. The writing inside says S. Pius Pp. X. I don’t think this will help you but I was wondering if yours may have had the writing damaged in the fire.
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It doesn’t seem to have had any damage at all. Everything is intact, nothing looks damaged at all, the inside paper insert looks fine, etc. I wish I had a digital camera, I’d post a picture. I’m not sure what kind of fire it was (big or small), or even when it was.
 
In order for a First Class Relic to be considered authentic, it must have papers. Original papers and not photocopies like someone out here was handing out with relics about fifteen years ago.

I don’t remember if you said how you acquired the relic; maybe if it was just given to you by someone, the papers got lost along the way.

Trust me on this one. People who try to pass off phony relics will tell you anything to get you to believe that they are authentic. There was someone out here who told people that if the string inside the case was cut, that meant it wasn’t authentic. The relics the person was selling (in and of itself a sacrilege) were phony. Finally, I guess enough people complained and the person was stopped from doing it.
 
Are you sure that it is a 1st Class Relic?

A 1st Class Relic is a piece of the saint’s body, ie hair, etc.
A 2nd Class Relic is usually a piece of clothing or something that the saint used.
A 3rd Class Relic is a a medal, or scapular or piece of cloth touched to a 1st Class Relic.
 
Lormar said:
In order for a First Class Relic to be considered authentic, it must have papers. Original papers and not photocopies like someone out here was handing out with relics about fifteen years ago.

I don’t remember if you said how you acquired the relic; maybe if it was just given to you by someone, the papers got lost along the way.

Trust me on this one. People who try to pass off phony relics will tell you anything to get you to believe that they are authentic. There was someone out here who told people that if the string inside the case was cut, that meant it wasn’t authentic. The relics the person was selling (in and of itself a sacrilege) were phony. Finally, I guess enough people complained and the person was stopped from doing it.
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The only people who make fake relics are people that sell them on ebay or trade for real relics. Why would a person make fake relics and give them away without a reward?
 
CatholicLife said:
The only people who make fake relics are people that sell them on ebay or trade for real relics. Why would a person make fake relics and give them away without a reward?
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First, re-read what I wrote.

Second, you are wrong.

Believe what you want since you are such an expert in the matter. I was just trying to warn people.
 
Lormar said:
First, re-read what I wrote.

Second, you are wrong.

Believe what you want since you are such an expert in the matter. I was just trying to warn people.
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I’m not a en expert on relics , but I do have some knowledge on them, since I have ten first class relics of various Saints and Blesseds. I don’t why you say I’m wrong , I just said that most people who make fake relics are people who want something in return.
 
smg123 said:
A friend of mine recently was given a relic also. She said that the woman who gave it to her claims it is a genuine relic. The writing inside says S. Pius Pp. X. I don’t think this will help you but I was wondering if yours may have had the writing damaged in the fire.
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    Also I was wondering if there are any blessings or prayers that are known for this relic?
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I have this same relic and mine is genuine,and the reliquary has a tiny white flower inside with the relic on it.
 
I as well have some type of relic that was handed to me when my grandmother passed away. It is encased in a brass container with glass covering the front. It has a small piece of paper inside that says “pios pp. X” with what looks like wood or metal something inside
If someone could please help me as to figure out what this is it would be greatly appreciated you can email me at cmunkk@gmail.com. I have a picture of it but can not upload on my phone so I will send one via email
 
I have seen many, many first class relics of St. Pius X that do have the paperwork (and have been to his tomb in St. Peter’s Basilica, also!). Anyway, a very large number of them were distributed around the 1950s, when he was canonized. Yes, it’s true that:

-relics have to have the paperwork to be used for public veneration
-there is a recent increase in manufacture of fake relics lately, and the simony and sacrilege of selling them (esp. online)

But, if the seal and strings are intact, and you can compare it to other relics that you know are authentic and it looks very similar in terms of the writing inside the theca (the brass container), apparent age of the theca, and its presentation (yes, that white flower-shaped background was used in many of them), then go ahead and assume it’s authentic, I say. I can’t say whether this particular one is authentic, but it has the same appearance as those I was just describing that I know are:

images.paulus21op.multiply.com/image/1/photos/upload/300x300/SDll8woKCqUAABUlfKM1/StPioX2.jpg?et=a%2CCDyOcOEHI%2C1D5eiHlyUw&nmid=0

Anyway, if you have reason to think it’s really legit, you are very fortunate to have it, and should privately venerate it! I envy you (in a holy way, lol), since he is one of my favorite saints!

If you are really paying attention you can detect many fake relics easily. Proving that one is authentic is another matter, though. For example, bone relics of St. Philip Neri - if you do your reading, you will know that no bone relics were ever removed from his incorrupt body, so anybody who claims to have one obviously has a fake. Brand new-looking relics of very famous saints (Francis of Assisi, Aquinas, etc) in sparkling thecas are often fake these days. Also, there are fake papers floating around online that simoniacs have adapted. For example, the relic of a Jesuit saint with the seal of the Benedictine order on its paperwork is highly fishy.
Look up “Ferrante” and “relics” online, and you will see what I mean.

Everybody here is well aware, I’m sure, that buying and selling first/second class relics is a serious sin. Any spiritual benefit one can derive from venerating relics is canceled out a thousand times over by the sin of simony, so don’t do it.

Wow, what a long post. :o
 
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