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edwest2
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This is a Catholic web site. Where else do you think Catholic teaching should start?
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hugh_miller
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I heard a lecture yesterday by a fellow Catholic urging and justifying that we need return to to the study of Genesis 1-11 and to realize how God made Adam and Eve instantanious created us out of His love, perhaps only 1000’s of years ago. Our faith tells us that God did not create Adam and Eve after a long period of death and dying of preceding species before He got to Adam and Eve. Then we perhaps might not behave so badly toward each other and have a realistic view of biology and dying — that point being that death only entered the world after the sin of our first parents. Thus his justification ran somewhat as follows:
In a recent book published and released on November 6, 2009 by the National Research Council of Italy entitled, “Evolutionism: The Decline of an Hypothesis” there is a report by a number of scientists that dinosaurs and man have indeed coexisted based on C-14 dating of dinosaur femur bone collagen from Montana. They repeated the testing on dinosaur bioapatite [about 0.7 % of which is calcium carbonate replacing calcium phosphate during the lifetime of the once living creature] and obtained concordant C-14 ages all in the range of 23,000 to 30,000 C-14 years. The carbon 14 content of diamonds World-wide at several labs gave dates in the range of roughly 55,000 to 80,000 RC years. In one case six samples were taken from one diamond specimen and concordant ages were obtained at about 70,000 RC years.
And how old are diamonds from the interior of the earth? They are thought to be in the range of 0.5 to 3 billion years old.
Thus those alleged 65,000,000 to 225 million years since dinosaurs supposedly became extinct perhaps only exist in the minds of some men as does the biological speculation that we have all related through time somehow to a common ancestor such as a humble bacteriuim.
Abrupt appearance is becoming a more logical premise for the formation of life. ALL the church fathers argued for aburpt appearance over a period of six days; that is truly the miracle of life which the almightly Creator give us and which the Catholic church has taught for almost 2000 years. amnh.org/exhibitions/diamonds/Therefore I think with modern scientific lab and flume experiments of the late 20th and early 21st century we are gradually returning to the Faith of our Fathers by the use of experimentation and NOT mere speculation based on false premises and long periods of millions and billions of years. Those millions and billions of years just don’t seem to exist.
There are even fossil dinosaur and human footprints together, discovered in a river bottom and pristine ones under tons of rocks and just recently confirmed by cat-scan of the Delk footprint.
Please go to www.omniology.com and/or ianjuby.org/delk/ These discoveries and observations can be checked out by going to the sources. The cast of the river footprints are now in the second largest of 16 dinosaur museums in Montana on Rt. 94 - The Glendive Montana Dinosaur and Fossil and Dinosaur museum.Perhaps those seeking truth in science might also like to visit www.dinosaurandman.org to view the many distinct dinosaur depictions World-Wide that archaeologists have found. Also visit www.dinosaurc14ages.com for details of the C-14 dating and critique of unreliable radioactive decay methods of dating and end up with www.earthage.com
Perhaps even C-14 dating may give way too old ages based on the fact of the many realistic dinosaur depictions over the past 500 to 3,000 years ago. Has anyone thought of that?
Oh Yes, science can no longer claim that the oil we obtain from 8000 feet on down is “Fossil Fuel” as NASA scientists have discovered that one of the moons of Jupiter, Titan I think, may have more hydrocarbons (source of our oil) than all that is in the earth so dinosaurs may not have contributed one drop of oil to our fleet of cars. Perhaps since NASA has also suggested that there may have been a massive flood at one time on Mars then perhaps there may have been one on earth as well — see sedimentology.fr/articles/180507.pdf
Frankly I have no discomfort with true biology like in the book “Genetic Entropy” by Dr. John Sanford of Cornell University or by the work of population geneticst Dr. Giertych, now retired from his rresearch with the Polish Academy of Siences. My faith as a Catholic has become stronger and stronger as a result of my studies of the experimental sciences. And I pray that such studies will help those who carefully examine the contents of the aforementioned links.
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Italy science council funds creationist book**
“After hosting a panel earlier this year to discuss supposed flaws in evolutionary theory, Italy’s science agency the National Research Council (CNR) reportedly put up thousands of dollars to help with the publication of a follow-up book, Evolutionism: The Decline of an Hypothesis. The move has vexed many scientists in the country where the Vatican recently came out in support of Darwin’s ideas.”
scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=italy-science-council-funds-creatio-2009-12-10
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twinc
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ha,ha,ha - I’m sure it has vexed many scientists and delighted some others ! - btw I do believe the devil has access to come and go as he pleases not just to schools of science but also to the Vatican - so when did the Vatican get it wrong and come out in support of Darwin’s ideas - just another hoax,presumably, like the previous one that evolution is an open question and Catholics may accept or reject it as the Pope[Vatican] says so - what about the Vatican apologises to Galileo and accepts heliocentrism,even though Galileo was wrong and the Church right in accepting geocentrism - twinc
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tonyrey
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The fact that scientists may be mistaken in some respects does not disprove the entire theory of evolution!
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Doc_Keele
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And this applies to non-Catholics how exactly?
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twinc
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no doubt the idea is to foster godless evolution under the guise of micro evolution which no one doubts - for a neat summary,straight from the horse’s mouth as it were see newsletter “Evolution - a theory in trouble” at www.proecclesia.com - twinc
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twinc
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for a short neat summary of proceedings,straight from the horse’s mouth as it were,see newsletter “Evolution - a theory in trouble” at www.proecclesia.com - twinc
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Moscati
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The temporary ban on discussing evolution is still in place, you know . . .
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StAnastasia
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Yeah – that’s why I’m not supporting CAF financially.
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ricmat
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I’d hate to think how the Church would suffer financially if you disagreed with some of it’s views.
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Chris1112
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I enjoy your posts because you have a unique way of bringing up the controversial topics in a tactful way! I’m a scientist at heart and I have the biggest issues when I forget what biology and science in general are actually are for.
Science is about experiments, results, and understanding the universe as far as our perceptions allow us to do so. Too often, I forget this and start trying to use science to explain the ‘whys’ of the world… Why was the universe created? Why am I alive? Why would God do X, Y, or Z?
That is usually the source of my discomfort as someone who sees the world through a scope. I start using the wrong tool when seeking an answer. I might as well be using a hammer to paint a portrait. For me, science is the appropriate tool to explain ‘what’ because I’m working with matter. On the other hand, theology/philosophy are the appropriate tools to explain ‘why’ because the spiritual side of my existence cannot be perceived as matter…
…other than specific neurons firing in my brain when I’m praying of course… there are those overlapping areas that still having me joyfully thinking on this one.
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grannymh
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By all means, the realm of science is that of the material and physical world. But that does not automatically eliminate the immaterial or spiritual realm from inquiry as if it were non-existent. Ah, one says. The immaterial cannot be put under a natural science microscope. True. But that does not exclude the reality of spiritual existence which can be known by the tools of reason, self reflection, logical evaluation, and analytical thought.I enjoy your posts because you have a unique way of bringing up the controversial topics in a tactful way! I’m a scientist at heart and I have the biggest issues when I forget what biology and science in general are actually are for.
Science is about experiments, results, and understanding the universe as far as our perceptions allow us to do so. Too often, I forget this and start trying to use science to explain the ‘whys’ of the world… Why was the universe created? Why am I alive? Why would God do X, Y, or Z?
That is usually the source of my discomfort as someone who sees the world through a scope. I start using the wrong tool when seeking an answer. I might as well be using a hammer to paint a portrait. For me, science is the appropriate tool to explain ‘what’ because I’m working with matter. On the other hand, theology/philosophy are the appropriate tools to explain ‘why’ because the spiritual side of my existence cannot be perceived as matter…
…other than specific neurons firing in my brain when I’m praying of course… there are those overlapping areas that still having me joyfully thinking on this one.
The explanation for the human species should not exclude the soul especially since there are reasonable grounds for the immaterial or spiritual aspects of human nature. A prime example is man’s natural, inherent ability to choose freely and to implement his choice engaging his physical being in so doing.
Catholicism places humanity at the pinnacle of creation because human nature is
an unique, intimate, unification of matter/spirit, corporeal/rational, body and soul.
One of my favorite Catechism paragraphs 355 says:
“God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him, male and female He created them.” Man occupies a unique place in creation: (I) he is “in the image of God”; (II) in his own nature he unites the spiritual and material worlds; (III) he is created “male and female”; (IV) God established him in His friendship.
You can use this handy link to the *Catechism of the Catholic Church *www.scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
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Chris1112
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Of course, that is exactly what I am saying! Its not that the spiritual realm is exempt from inquiry, but that my personal discomfort is when I’m trying to use the wrong tool (science) to perform this inquiry.
I’m just responding to the initial question of the thread about what causes the religion/biology discomfort in people… my discomfort is caused when I use (what I perceive as) the incorrect method to inquire.
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twinc
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and indeed we have a gross and vast paradox and conundrum for science does not accept science or religion and religion does not accept religion or science.Both are as it were in the dark looking for a black cat that is not there and unbelievably every now and then one or the other will insist that they have found it or nearly found it - more later - twinc
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