Religion of peace?? Please explain.

[GemmaRose]

The following is a copy of an article from the Compass Direct News website:

NIGERIA: RESCUE OF GIRLS IGNITES ISLAMIC RAMPAGE

Six churches gutted after recovery of Christians teenagers from Muslim kidnappers.

NINGI, Nigeria, May 19 (Compass Direct News) – Islamists under the auspices of a paramilitary force last week destroyed six churches to protest a police rescue of two teenage Christian girls kidnapped by Muslims in this Bauchi state town.

Police recovered the two Christian girls, Mary Chikwodi Okoye, 15, and Uche Edward, 14, on May 12 after Muslims in Ningi kidnapped them three weeks ago in an attempt to expand Islam by marrying them to Muslim men. Police took the two girls, who had been under foster care, to safety in southeastern Nigeria where their biological parents live.

The kidnappers had taken the girls to Wudil town in Kano state. Following the rescue of the girls, Muslims under the auspices of the Hisbah Command, a paramilitary arm of Kano state’s Sharia Commission, responsible for enforcing Islamic law, went on a rampage on Tuesday (May 13), attacking Christians and setting fire to the churches.

The destroyed churches were the Deeper Life Bible Church, St. Mary’s Catholic Church, All Souls Anglican Church, Church of Christ in Nigeria, Redeemed Christian Church of God, and the Redeemed Peoples Mission.

Joseph Abdu, pastor of Deeper Life Bible Church, told Compass that damages to his church property in the Muslim rampage of May 13 amounted to about 13 million naira (US$112,857) – and that his congregation had shrunk to 40 people from the 130 who attended before the attack.

Abdu said the Christian foster parents of the two rescued girls, Kanayo Chukwu Osakwe and Robinson Ajolokwu Ozuagbunna, noticed the teenagers were missing three weeks ago and reported it to police and to Ningi’s Emirate Council.

“The Christian community in Ningi, having reported the matter to the police, organized a search team to search for the missing girls,” Abdu said. “Word eventually got to the search team that the girls were being held in the town of Wudil in Kano state by a Muslim leader in that town.”

The search team of Christians along with two policemen went to Wudil, only to be told that the Hisbah Command had returned the girls to Ningi to the Muslim leader of the town, the Emir of Ningi, Alhaji Muhammadu Yunusa Danyaya.

“The team returned to Ningi and confirmed that the girls were in the palace of the Muslim leader, but that they would not be released to their parents until the Emir, who was out of town, returned,” Abdu told Compass.

Kidnapping of teenage Christian girls by Muslims, the pastor said, has become a recurring practice in Ningi. Muslims have kidnapped at least 13 Christian girls in the town, Christian sources said.

“These girls are usually kidnapped, forcefully converted to Islam, and then married out to other Muslim men against the will of both the girls and their parents,” Abdu said.

Two months ago Muslims in Ningi kidnapped another Christian teenage girl, Maryann Chinenye, converted her to Islam and then married her to a Muslim man, he said.

“As I talk to you now, the girl is yet to be found by her parents,” Abdu added.

The pastor said a member of his church, Comfort Joseph, had her daughter kidnapped four years ago.

“The teenage daughter of Mrs. Joseph was converted to Islam and married to a Muslim man,” he said. “Up to this moment I am speaking to you, we have not been able to rescue this girl from these Muslims.”

CONTINUED…​

 

[GemmaRose]

CONTINUED FROM POST #1

Forcefully Married

Osakwe, foster father of the 15-year-old Okoye, told Compass that the teenage Christians were initially taken to the house of a Muslim leader in Wudil in Kano state, Alhaji Umaru Maibishi.

“But this Muslim man, on learning that we were on our way to his house, sent the two girls back to the Emir of Ningi, Alhaji Muhammadu Yunusa Danyaya,” Osakwe said.

When he and members of the search team eventually met with the Emir, Osakwe said, he told them that the girls had converted to Islam.

“We rejected this explanation and insisted that our daughters be returned to us, but the Muslim leaders refused to do so,” Osakwe told Compass. “The police, on sensing that there was tension in the town over the matter, evacuated the girls to Bauchi town, where they were eventually rescued and taken to eastern Nigeria to be reunited with their biological parents.”

Osakwe identified a Muslim leader in Ningi town, Alhaji Bala Gambo, as the mastermind behind area kidnappings of teenage Christian girls. Gambo is one of the members of the Ningi Emir’s council of advisors.

The attack on Christians last Tuesday (May 13), Osakwe said, left him financially devastated as Ningi Muslims looted or destroyed goods worth over 50 million naira (US$434,065) in his shops.

Muslim leaders – Emir Danyaya and Gambo in Ningi, and the Muslim leader at Wudil in Kano, Maibishi – declined to speak to Compass about the kidnappings and attacks.

‘Sharia Protection’

Robinson Ajolokwu Ozuegbunna, foster father of the rescued 14-year-old Edward and a member of the All Souls Anglican Church, confirmed Osakwe’s account of the kidnappings and the attack on Christians in Ningi town.

A resident of Ningi for 22 years, he told Compass that he had “lost everything” in the attack.

Osakwe and Ozuegbunna felt fortunate that their foster daughters were rescued in spite of losing their properties in the rampage, but Stephen Nweke and Comfort Joseph continued to wait anxiously. Bummi Joseph, 16, was kidnapped in 2004.

Her mother told Compass that police have not been able to rescue her from the Muslims who abducted her.

“I learned that she was forcefully married to a Muslim man and that she has given birth to two children,” Joseph said.

She said Gambo was responsible for the kidnapping of her daughter.

“Alhaji Gambo boasted before us when we went to the Emir’s palace that he did it, and that we cannot do anything to him,” she told Compass. “The man has protection from the sharia courts.”

Nweke, a member of the St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Ningi, said his foster daughter, Maryann Chinenye Chiazo, 16, was kidnapped in November 2007 and has remained in Muslim captivity.

“I reported her abduction to the police and the Emirate Council here in Ningi, but eventually the Sharia Commission here in Bauchi State said she was now a Muslim and is under their custody,” Nweke told Compass.

Nweke also accused Gambo of being behind the kidnapping of the Christian girls. Though he is in danger from Muslim agitators, he vowed that he would not leave Ningi until his foster daughter is rescued and released to him.

“I can’t leave this town without my daughter, even if they would kill me – I prefer to be killed than leave without her,” he said with tears. He pleaded that the Nigerian government “help me get my daughter back.”

END

Note that it doesn’t appear that Muslim terrorists strapped with suicide bombs are engaged in this activity - just plain old every-day Muslims…

• Kidnapping and abucting minors
• Forced conversions
• Forced marriages (which would include statutory rape under American law)
• Theft
• Violence
• Arson
• Destruction of property
• Murder and bloodshed

Will someone (a Muslim preferably) please explain how the Muslim religion is a religion of peace, or how God would possibly want to be associated with such crimes/sins?

 

[ricko]

I would like to hear an answer to that also. I believe that one of the greatest threats to Christianity comes from Islam.

 

[Eden]

Note that it doesn’t appear that Muslim terrorists strapped with suicide bombs are engaged in this activity - just plain old every-day Muslims…

• Kidnapping and abucting minors
• Forced conversions
• Forced marriages (which would include statutory rape under American law)
• Theft
• Violence
• Arson
• Destruction of property
• Murder and bloodshed

Yes, you can do all of these things. Just don’t draw cartoons of Muhammad.

 

[swariffin]

Forced Marriage or Legalization of Rape???

 

[inJESUS]

This happens in Egypt as well…

 

[A_Sombra]

Yes, the “Religion of Peace.” The “Religion of Peace” was begun by Mohammed, who spread the new religion that was"revealed" to him by the sword-Arabia first, then a;; throughout the Middle East, Northern Africa, Central Asia, and onwards. The “Religion of Peace” then sought to conquer Europe by the sword, but was rebuffed in Spain and later at the gates of Vienna.
And, ever since its inception, this “Religion of Peace” has sought to “convert” others to it by force everywhere it has gone…Just yesterday, members of this “Religion of Peace,” ostensibly in answer to a cartoon published in a Danish newspaper, bombed the Danish Embassy in Pakistan, killing two. And, how else could a “Religion of Peace” answer to a cartoon about its founder-other than a bomb and murder?

 

[meedo]

The following is a copy of an article from the Compass Direct News website:

hi

Probably , the truth behind this **** is that the girls ran away from their parents and wanted to marry muslims. the authorieties, wants to fend off a stand off in the country took the girsl back to their parents against their will.

It is very common that Christians would cry persexcution when things doesnt go their way. Yers it happens in Egypt as well. It happens that Christian girls fall in love with a muslim man every once in a while. They run away with the guys they love and the christians in teh country cry persecution and blackmail the government to get back their daughters or else they will escalate the issue internationally as if it is persecution.

Thr ugly truth is that they want the girls back against the girls will . These girls alot of the time are sent to remote places as a punishment and are forced to marry others they dopnt like against their will to make sure that they remain christians.

a very famous case of that in Egypt was the case of waffaa kostantin in Egypt who were forced ( theough she converted to Islam ) to be given back to the orthodox church and currently she is serving her punishment ina remote monastry in Egypt desert.

There is no persecution , but Christians love to be påortrayed as martyrs , It is their way to cover the faliure of their faith to make sense and hold its own adherents.

Good luck with god dying to remove sins, sins that he can willingly forgive without dying . oh sorry , i forgot that he resurected himself just couple of days after he died. he sacrificed himself for three days and afterwards thought it was boring in the so he resurected himself.

Ther only thing that keeps Christians Christians in these times is that the Christian world is technologically advanced and has money and is a great producrer of sex, drugs and rock n roll. Orther than that , Christianity wouldnt even stand to Buddism in a common sense challenge let alone Islam.

and you wonder why girls run!

good luck

 

[LDNCatholic]

Good luck with god dying to remove sins, sins that he can willingly forgive without dying . oh sorry , i forgot that he resurected himself just couple of days after he died. he sacrificed himself for three days and afterwards thought it was boring in the so he resurected himself.

Oh and that is more fanciful somehow than God revealing Himself to one illiterate warlord of questionable morality in a backwards hole in the desert? When God could have appeared to all men at once and revealed His message.

Meedo I apologise if you find that offensive but you are on a Catholic forum. At least show a little respect towards the faith. If you can’t do that at least accept that all beliefs will seem foolish to others at some point.

 

[Lev23]

A sobering but very eye-opening thread.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

hi

Probably , the truth behind this **** is that the girls ran away from their parents and wanted to marry muslims. the authorieties, wants to fend off a stand off in the country took the girsl back to their parents against their will.

Got proof of your allegation?

It is very common that Christians would cry persexcution when things doesnt go their way. Yers it happens in Egypt as well. It happens that Christian girls fall in love with a muslim man every once in a while. They run away with the guys they love and the christians in teh country cry persecution and blackmail the government to get back their daughters or else they will escalate the issue internationally as if it is persecution.

When you are killing our people I would say that is persecution and when you are kidnapping and beheading them, I would say that classifies as persecution. Again, you allege these things, but have no proof that it is so.

Thr ugly truth is that they want the girls back against the girls will . These girls alot of the time are sent to remote places as a punishment and are forced to marry others they dopnt like against their will to make sure that they remain christians.

Still waiting for proof.

a very famous case of that in Egypt was the case of waffaa kostantin in Egypt who were forced ( theough she converted to Islam ) to be given back to the orthodox church and currently she is serving her punishment ina remote monastry in Egypt desert.

So, that explains this case and the destruction of the churches involved?

There is no persecution , but Christians love to be påortrayed as martyrs , It is their way to cover the faliure of their faith to make sense and hold its own adherents.

We have ample proof that there is persecution. To deny it is to plead insanity.

Good luck with god dying to remove sins, sins that he can willingly forgive without dying . oh sorry , i forgot that he resurected himself just couple of days after he died. he sacrificed himself for three days and afterwards thought it was boring in the so he resurected himself.

red herring

Ther only thing that keeps Christians Christians in these times is that the Christian world is technologically advanced and has money and is a great producrer of sex, drugs and rock n roll. Orther than that , Christianity wouldnt even stand to Buddism in a common sense challenge let alone Islam.

and you wonder why girls run!

good luck

It’s actually a secular world, not a Christian one, unlike your Sharia law Muslim states. I would run if I saw maniacs with guns and swords coming at me. Again, another red herring to take the heat off the apparent murderous violence of your people.

And this is why I have no respect for Islam. My good nature does not permit me to elaborate further

And good luck to you. You’ll need it.

MW

 

[inJESUS]

A man who used to be part of that gang in Egypt gave his testimony, written and spoken live, with names and details of how they used to kidnap Christian girls, in addition to the girls’ names and testimonies. So am afraid what you are saying Meedo is not accurate.

 

[meedo]

Oh and that is more fanciful somehow than God revealing Himself to one illiterate warlord of questionable morality in a backwards hole in the desert? When God could have appeared to all men at once and revealed His message.

Meedo I apologise if you find that offensive but you are on a Catholic forum. At least show a little respect towards the faith. If you can’t do that at least accept that all beliefs will seem foolish to others at some point.

Hello,

The detachment of christians all over the world from reality is what makes one flip. I am normally much more charitalble than this. But the hate for Muslims and Islam is growing out of proportionall over the western world toa hysterical and paranoia levels. Normal incidents that happen between sinful humans is always amn evidence of the evilness of islam and muslims.

Every event that happens in the muslim world is maginified to catastrophic proportion and again taken as a proof on hwo evil islam and Muslims are ( and no i dont buy the we hate Islam but love muslims argument , i am a muslim and i represent islam, i was born and raised muslim and i practice islam )

Incidents happen and will happen all the time. Islam is a strong , proud religion . So is Christianity. If Christians think that attaxcking Islam will give them any credit to Muslims or make relations some how better bewteen teh two worlds then i have no clue what logic they are thinking with .

We are not devils and you are not angels, each of us has the bad and the good. Assuming that the above was true doesnt make it islamic or representing what islam teaches. Just like the ongoing Iraq war shouldnt represent christianity.

The article shows that its author have no clue about Islam and treats all its readers as Dumb to extreeme proportion.

So the whole muslim world ran out of girls so we need now to go and ‘‘forcefully’’ convert christian girls againt their will!!! what kind of marriage would that be for Gdos sake!!! and what kind of islamic upbringing would these ‘‘forced’’ Christyian ladies would give to their islamic children!!!

I cannot believe Christians vbelieve this cra*p!!! This craziness about Muslims is going out of proportion and is harming your credibility !!

this reminds me of the Blood Libel. Jews dslay Christian children rto drink their blood. Turns out that jews drink red wine every week and it look to Christians passer by as blood when they looked in from the windows !!! if Christian could come up with such fantasy story they could come up with many more !!!

i appologise if i hurt any one but this craziness must stop!!

salam

 

[R_not]

Muslims do this wherever they migrate to, rape, kidnap, etc. they are kidnapping girls in India and Europe also. We just don’t hear about it here - yet.

I have to post this. It is a little long - but one of the best speeches that I heard yet. It is Geert Wilders speaking to his Parliament about his film and the European muslim problem.

sheikyermami.com/2008/06/05/full-transcript-of-geert-wilders-speech-in-the-danish-parliament/#more-8354

Italian writer Oriana Fallaci, said: **“A moderate Islam does not exist. It does not exist because there is no difference between Good Islam and Bad Islam. There is Islam and that it the end of it. Islam is the Koran, and nothing other than the Koran.“ **(Oriana Fallaci”The Force of Reason” post-script page 305 February 2006)]
Wise and true words.

I also have quite a few articles about ‘moderate’ muslims, but this one is a very recent article and well worth the read.
If moderate muslims is a truth, then why are these the facts: islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/05/its-only-fewthats-what-they-keep.html

 

[inJESUS]

Maybe Meedo, just maybe, these men are taught that converting someone will grant them some bonus in heaven…i do not live in Egypt, but i know many Egyptians, and these things did indeed happen. If we could trace any teaching of such behavior, maybe we’ll understand what these people were hoping for.

 

[Axion]

Slave raiding and kidnapping non-muslim women for harems has been Islamic practice since the religion began. It is well-documented. The caliph and Sultan’s harems were full of kinapped Christian girls, forcefully converted to Islam. In the Middle Ages, whenever Muslim armies raided a Christian city - which was often, since Islam has a policy of no peace with unbelievers, they killed the men and carried the women and children off into slavery. Barbary pirates were raiding the west coast of Ireland and england until the 1700s, capturing people and selling them as slaves.

The only thing that stopped this practice was not a change of heart among Muslims, but growing Western power in the 19th century. Secularists like to pretend all religions are the same, and that Muslims have the same core moral values as Christians. But they don’t.

No doubt someone will say Christians had slaves too. this is true, in certain times and places. The difference is that slavery was at odds with the principles of Christianity, and people soon saw this. In Islam slavery is something that is permitted with non-muslims, and institutionalized. There is no principle of do to others as you would have them do to you.

 

[R_not]

Hello,

The detachment of christians all over the world from reality is what makes one flip. I am normally much more charitalble than this. But the hate for Muslims and Islam is growing out of proportionall over the western world toa hysterical and paranoia levels. Normal incidents that happen between sinful humans is always amn evidence of the evilness of islam and muslims.

Every event that happens in the muslim world is maginified to catastrophic proportion and again taken as a proof on hwo evil islam and Muslims are ( and no i dont buy the we hate Islam but love muslims argument , i am a muslim and i represent islam, i was born and raised muslim and i practice islam )

Incidents happen and will happen all the time. Islam is a strong , proud religion . So is Christianity. If Christians think that attaxcking Islam will give them any credit to Muslims or make relations some how better bewteen teh two worlds then i have no clue what logic they are thinking with .

We are not devils and you are not angels, each of us has the bad and the good. Assuming that the above was true doesnt make it islamic or representing what islam teaches. Just like the ongoing Iraq war shouldnt represent christianity.

The article shows that its author have no clue about Islam and treats all its readers as Dumb to extreeme proportion.

So the whole muslim world ran out of girls so we need now to go and ‘‘forcefully’’ convert christian girls againt their will!!! what kind of marriage would that be for Gdos sake!!! and what kind of islamic upbringing would these ‘‘forced’’ Christyian ladies would give to their islamic children!!!

I cannot believe Christians vbelieve this cra*p!!! This craziness about Muslims is going out of proportion and is harming your credibility !!

this reminds me of the Blood Libel. Jews dslay Christian children rto drink their blood. Turns out that jews drink red wine every week and it look to Christians passer by as blood when they looked in from the windows !!! if Christian could come up with such fantasy story they could come up with many more !!!

i appologise if i hurt any one but this craziness must stop!!

salam

I would say that a strong, healthy disgust of islam is called - self preservation. Maybe you should read this:

If moderate muslims is a truth, then why are these the facts: islaminaction08.blogspot.com/2008/05/its-only-fewthats-what-they-keep.html

And I also have read the koran, hadiths and know about your mohammed - and it isn’t the fairy tales that CAIR is putting in our children’s history books.

As usual this is usual muslim way to argue - try to tell the others they are either prejudiced, racists (islam is not a race), islamophobes (which means irrational fear and there is nothing irrational in what islam/muslims do to ALL non-muslims worldwide), etc. It is all the same, all the time.

Muslims worry more about their image than doing something about those who ‘they say’ are renegades from the ‘religion’ or are not following the koran. Sorry, but they are following it and being more honest about it than ‘moderate’ muslims are. But, are we fooled into thinking that? Since the ‘moderates’ are not really so moderate and are on a political jihad in our lands. Europe being much furhter along in the jihad than we are. Mr. Wilders, in my previous post, states is so succinctly in his speech as to what is happening.

Anyway, a good book to read is “Religion of Peace? Why Christianity is and islam isn’t”. Mr. Robert Spencer wrote it and he is a scholar in this area. (the muslims don’t like him because he tells the truth)

 

[inJESUS]

nobody will argue there are no good muslims…of course there are plenty…the problem is in the equivocal teachings and behaviour of Muhammad…does the sunna show him a merciful man? sure…does it show him in bad light (according to us?) such as not merciful ? big time…if muslims immitate the bad things done by Muhammad thinking they are morality standards, they must recognize that the rest of the world will not accept 7th century arab mentality especially since an ideal example was provided earlier. The “peace” of Muhammad is simply not international that is why we cannot and will not see him as a peaceful human.

 

[R_not]

nobody will argue there are no good muslims…of course there are plenty…the problem is in the equivocal teachings and behaviour of Muhammad…does the sunna show him a merciful man? sure…does it show him in bad light (according to us?) such as not merciful ? big time…if muslims immitate the bad things done by Muhammad thinking they are morality standards, they must recognize that the rest of the world will not accept 7th century arab mentality especially since an ideal example was provided earlier. The “peace” of Muhammad is simply not international that is why we cannot and will not see him as a peaceful human.

The so called peace on our lands might be only a facade also. We don’t hear about a lot of muslims doing violence due to them being on a jihad because the police and media are in lala land. No one even dares to crack open a koran and if/when they do - others think they are nuts if they say it is a ‘Mein Kampf’ for muslims. A fascism. Or just plain old bad news for us! Instead we get idiot edicts to not say ‘islamofascism’, or jihad, or whatever. islam comes to our shores in the guise of a religion while it is an ideology that tells its adherents to dominate us - and do whatever it takes to do so.

there are plenty of examples, books, and articles that it has turned political and their goals are the same in the end - to convert or subjugate us.

‘A Never Ending War’ describes political islam that is going on not only in Europe, but here on our shores.

‘Fascism and Paganism’ (which includes not only islam, but also nazism and communism) this is more of a description of fascisms and their assault on humanity. The combining of religion with their spirituality to assault us and shows us how lethal it is for us.

Books I read before the first two I mention were, ‘The Legacy of jihad’ and then ‘The Myth of islamic Intolerance’. (there are over 50 other books on different aspects of islam that I have read - I am just not mentioning them here and some are not worth mentioning at all)

The speech that I posted by Mr. Wilders shows us that the percentage increases of muslims in different lands directly coincides with increased violence against non-muslims. And the same thing is happening here. In fact, it has sped up since 9/11.

Anyone who wants to hang on to the idea that islam is peaceful and benign and has our good interests at heart is being naive. We have seen with our own Pope how the muslims behave - poorly. they have declared a jihad against him earlier this year - there are archived articles about it in jihadwatch.

Even with mosques in our own country under surveillence because of hate and jihad (not that inner struggle type either) literature, etc, and also the people in their schools (publicly funded too) attacking people, using texts that are hatefilled - while saying they destroyed them - they xeroxed them off and are using the xeroxed copies to teach - we are still in denial overall about their intentions.

 

[R_not]

Slave raiding and kidnapping non-muslim women for harems has been Islamic practice since the religion began. It is well-documented. The caliph and Sultan’s harems were full of kinapped Christian girls, forcefully converted to Islam. In the Middle Ages, whenever Muslim armies raided a Christian city - which was often, since Islam has a policy of no peace with unbelievers, they killed the men and carried the women and children off into slavery. Barbary pirates were raiding the west coast of Ireland and england until the 1700s, capturing people and selling them as slaves.

The only thing that stopped this practice was not a change of heart among Muslims, but growing Western power in the 19th century. Secularists like to pretend all religions are the same, and that Muslims have the same core moral values as Christians. But they don’t.

No doubt someone will say Christians had slaves too. this is true, in certain times and places. The difference is that slavery was at odds with the principles of Christianity, and people soon saw this. In Islam slavery is something that is permitted with non-muslims, and institutionalized. There is no principle of do to others as you would have them do to you.

The muslim slave trade never stopped. In the late 1960s the saudis said they would stop it - but that was just more ‘lip service’ from them. They continue to this day with the slave trade and it isn’t only Christians, it is any/all non-muslims.

the persistence of muslim slavery
jihadwatch.org/archives/017455.php

Slavery in islam: answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

And their kidnappings of girls in India, Europe, Africa, etc to be married to muslim males is nothing but slavery too.

And it is ok to do whatever they want to their slaves. Getting them pregnant was sanctioned by mohammed because mohammed said not to ‘waste their seeds’. gag

In the article that Silas wrote - take note what they do to the little boys - it is just ghastly.