"Religion was created to control people."

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Wozza said:
that we should pass on anyone who changes his or her view depending on which way the wind blows.
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By that reasoning, you should not have voted for President Trump as he was previously pro abortion? Perhaps you didn’t vote for him but your logic seems to lead to no one voting for him?
 
Pattylt said:
If we need to ask a candidate their religion, aren’t we creating a religious test for the office?
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We should test whether their positions are consistent with the life, liberty, private property, and subsidiarity per natural law.
 
niceatheist said:
So really, the first question I should have for a candidate is “What is your religious affiliation?”
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Often pols will respond with their professed faith but not practice it at all. We have so many pro-abort Catholic pols.
 
niceatheist said:
There were variant kinds of Christianity even when the Constitution was ratified, and some pretty broad interpretations. The issue of slavery drove that home, with extremes like the Quakers who believed in the liberty of all men regardless of race, and the Southern Baptists, who strove to prove the legitimacy of slavery through theology.
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Correct. At the founding the Protestants did not want to recognize Catholic Natural Law.

A republic needs like minded people and cannot survive radical diversity and pluralism. We can see now we are failing.
 
I agree you should but what @Wozza said was that he rejected a candidate that changes his views due to the popularity of them. I think many, many candidates have changed their views…some sincerely, some for votes. Often, one can’t distinguish the reason for the change. I tend to hold people to what they state now. I’ve certainly changed my position on many things.
 
buffalo said:
republic needs like minded people and cannot survive radical diversity and pluralism. We can see now we are failing.
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Wow. While I agree it is easier to live in a mono culture and religion, I also think the evidence shows that they stagnate and become more isolationist in this scenario. Look at what happened in Japan! And the Japanese were willing to borrow ideas, unlike China that was isolationist and felt themselves superior…no need to look outside for answers.

No, I prefer the more difficult route of learning to accept and live with those that are different, even though it’s often uncomfortable and challenging.
 
Pattylt said:
No, I prefer the more difficult route of learning to accept and live with those that are different, even though it’s often uncomfortable and challenging.
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A republic cannot survive this. We are already at the precipice.

How do you live with a group that will impose rather than propose itself on you or you die?
 
buffalo said:
republic cannot survive this. We are already at the precipice.

How do you live with a group that will impose rather than propose itself on you or you die?
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You said…

You republic cannot survive this. We are already at the precipice.

How do you live with a group that will impose rather than propose itself on you or you die?

I’m just curious what republic is imposing vs proposing and killing those that object? Or, what did you mean by “or you die”? Those circumstances sound like a dictatorship, not a republic. Sorry I wasn’t clear.
 
Pattylt said:
’m just curious what republic is imposing vs proposing and killing those that object? Or, what did you mean by “or you die”? Those circumstances sound like a dictatorship, not a republic. Sorry I wasn’t clear.
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What do you perceive as the main threat to America right now?
 
I don’t think any one thing is overtly threatening. I think the biggest problem we have is the inability to sit down and compromise. There is this attitude right now that if one side or the other gives some ground in any way, they are betraying their party, religion, country…something. It has to my way or no way. We didn’t used to be like this and honestly, at some point I think we’ll all get disgusted enough with the tensions between groups that people will do a turn around and go back to civil conversations and compromises.

I’m not a person that lives in constant fear. My attitude is usually that whatever awful thing is going on is temporary. Yes, it may need to be addressed but I’m not going to clutch my pearls over every position that is contrary to mine. Time itself tends to sort out quite a bit. YMMV
 
Pattylt said:
I don’t think any one thing is overtly threatening. I think the biggest problem we have is the inability to sit down and compromise. There is this attitude right now that if one side or the other gives some ground in any way, they are betraying their party, religion, country…something. It has to my way or no way. We didn’t used to be like this and honestly, at some point I think we’ll all get disgusted enough with the tensions between groups that people will do a turn around and go back to civil conversations and compromises.

I’m not a person that lives in constant fear. My attitude is usually that whatever awful thing is going on is temporary. Yes, it may need to be addressed but I’m not going to clutch my pearls over every position that is contrary to mine. Time itself tends to sort out quite a bit. YMMV
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In other words - polarization. The two sides are so fundamentally different compromise is not possible.

The other is:

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buffalo said:
What do you perceive as the main threat to America right now?
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People giving up on it because they mistakenly believe that it can’t work. We have been in much worse places in the past and survived. American Civil War, race riots in DC and other large cities…
 
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You fear Islam? It makes up what? Less than 1% of our population and most…certainly not all…Muslim immigrants become secularized by the second and third generation. Islam has little to appeal to most Americans so while they may pick up a few converts here and there, they certainly aren’t converting large swaths of us.

I read the article but the video is too long for me to watch right now. If there is something that particularly raised your fear factor, give me the time stamp and I’ll listen.
 
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Pattylt said:
I read the article but the video is too long for me to watch right now. If there is something that particularly raised your fear factor, give me the time stamp and I’ll listen.
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Yes, the relentless and unending Muslim expansion. First it is by settlement, then it gains a foothold, then imposes Sharia law (we have already seen this attempt) then by force.

It is important to know history. followup by watching this one:

 
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Zaccheus said:
Yep. And there are people who use politics to hurt and bully people. Some who use superior education. Some who use money. Some who use relentless mockery. Some who use their fists.
This is about the bullies, not their excuses.
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True, but religion in the hands of the wrong people can be a very dangerous thing. I think we can both agree on that?
 
Pattylt said:
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Wozza:
that we should pass on anyone who changes his or her view depending on which way the wind blows.
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…your logic seems to lead to no one voting for him?
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That anyone did is a failure of the democratic process in my view.
 
Norseman82 said:
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Zaccheus:
Yep. And there are people who use politics to hurt and bully people. Some who use superior education. Some who use money. Some who use relentless mockery. Some who use their fists.
This is about the bullies, not their excuses.
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True, but religion in the hands of the wrong people can be a very dangerous thing. I think we can both agree on that?
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We do agree on that.
 
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