Religion with science

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reggieM said:
Scientific evidence and observations can “support belief in the existence of God”. The Holy See has said this as have many philosophers and even scientists today. The Big Bang, for example, is evidence that supports the existence of God the first cause and Creator.
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This is true, but then one of the problems which comes up with reference to the compatiblility of relgion and science is the question of the Church declarations against Galileo. For example:
J.S. Daly, “The Theological Status of Heliocentrism”, October 1997:
Condemnation of Urban VIII:
“The proposition that the Earth is not the centre of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith.”
 
bobzills said:
This is true, but then one of the problems which comes up with reference to the compatiblility of relgion and science is the question of the Church declarations against Galileo. For example: J.S. Daly, “The Theological Status of Heliocentrism”, October 1997: Condemnation of Urban VIII:
“The proposition that the Earth is not the centre of the world and immovable but that it moves, and also with a diurnal motion, is equally absurd and false philosophically and theologically considered at least erroneous in faith.”
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All the more reason not to segregate religion and science. You’ll probably hear from those who dispute the myth that the Church oppressed Galileo but the fact remains that religion and science overlap, at a minimum, and that virtually all religious positions risk being invalidated (or validated, for that matter) by science (or archeology, etc).

My favorite example is this: what happens if Jesus remains are found in a tomb? Imagine how constricted Christianity would have to be to avoid that possibility?
 
da_nolo said:
what are some teachings that may be supported by science, or science that is supported by our teachings. there any connections between Bible and science:confused:
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Albert Magnus, Thomas Aquinas, Robert Bacon and Frances Bacon, et al. all seemed to see things in Catholicism/Scripture that were supportive of science (or the other way around). Enough so that, indirectly or directly, the “scientific method” evolved in large part from their thought/work.
 
brigid12 said:
Albert Magnus, Thomas Aquinas, Robert Bacon and Frances Bacon, et al. all seemed to see things in Catholicism/Scripture that were supportive of science (or the other way around). Enough so that, indirectly or directly, the “scientific method” evolved in large part from their thought/work.
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Except that Francis Bacon seems to have hated Catholics and Catholicism.
 
In fact, all the early scientists were Christians.

It’s worth discussing why so many modern scientists are atheists. (Atheists claim that it is because scientists are smarter than the general population.)
 
StAnastasia said:
Bubba, what do you mean by “all”?
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People sometimes cite examples from Islam but for the most part they were simply repeating what eastern Christians had done before them. And the pre-Christian Greeks were not scientists in any sense we understand today.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
People sometimes cite examples from Islam but for the most part they were simply repeating what eastern Christians had done before them. And the pre-Christian Greeks were not scientists in any sense we understand today.
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What about Al-Khwarizmi’s elaborations on the Hindu Arabic numerals ?
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
That’s math.
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Al-Khwarizmi wrote works on astronomy and astrolabes and made improvements in sundials. And what about his work on geography: “Kitāb ṣūrat al-Arḍ” He corrected Ptolemy’s oversetimate for the length of the Mediterranean Sea and he also depicted the Atlantic and Indian Oceans as open bodies of water, not land-locked seas as was done before.
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
People sometimes cite examples from Islam but for the most part they were simply repeating what eastern Christians had done before them. And the pre-Christian Greeks were not scientists in any sense we understand today.
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A common misconception, but a whole bunch of today’s society, science, govt, etc. expands on what was studied in ancient Rome and Greece. just because someone is not Christian, doesnt mean they can not study(study is used as science is a study). Asia was among first to actualy print writing (like, not write by hand) which was done by a form of science. True however it was sometimes in different means, as ancient times, people thought more than rely on what can be seen.

the correct term to be used is ‘majority’ or ‘most’, as this is more accurate. majority of people to influence science today was Christian as the science community as of today was formed by Christians (western society).
 
Bubba_Switzler said:
In fact, there are some books on exactly this subject. One (I don’t recall the title) found that the creation story matched up quite closely to the actual progression of Big Bang and evolution from the point of view of light expanding from the Big Bang. I don’t recall how he worked out the math (it was essentially a logarithm) but it was quite interesting.

If you are really interested in this look for books by the physicist Paul Davies, e.g. The Mind of God.
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is that the guy who wrote the book you speak of?
 
da_nolo said:
is that the guy who wrote the book you speak of?
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I don’t think so. I think that particular book was by an Orthodox Jew (and he drew on some Kaballah sources in addition to Genesis to flesh out the details).
 
bobzills said:
Al-Khwarizmi wrote works on astronomy and astrolabes and made improvements in sundials. And what about his work on geography: “Kitāb ṣūrat al-Arḍ” He corrected Ptolemy’s oversetimate for the length of the Mediterranean Sea and he also depicted the Atlantic and Indian Oceans as open bodies of water, not land-locked seas as was done before.
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More like astrology. It is well known that the Greeks were pretty strong in mathematics (as well as the Egyptians and Babylonians before them). (And geogrpahic mapping is certainly not a Christian invention.) I was referring to science, the systematic discovery of nature. Math is sometimes included but I did not mean to include it.
 
da_nolo said:
A common misconception, but a whole bunch of today’s society, science, govt, etc. expands on what was studied in ancient Rome and Greece. just because someone is not Christian, doesnt mean they can not study(study is used as science is a study). Asia was among first to actualy print writing (like, not write by hand) which was done by a form of science. True however it was sometimes in different means, as ancient times, people thought more than rely on what can be seen.
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There were no scientists as we understand the term to day in ancient Rome and Greece (though they obviously had government, engineering, etc). The most common explanation is that paganism did not lend itself to the systematic discovery of natural laws. (And, no, print writing is not a science.)
 
da_nolo said:
is that the guy who wrote the book you speak of?
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Here is the book I mentioned previously: The Science of God: The Convergence of Scientific and Biblical Wisdom by Gerald L Schroeder.
 
Well, I believe that there are scientists who have found proof of the flood, also proof of some of the plagues. How credible they are I’m not sure, but I don’t rely on science. The main thing about science and religon is that it is exactly how God wanted it, even as advanced as science is, they still cannot disprove religon, nor can they prove it. This is why faith will be the only means of believing.
 
block said:
Well, I believe that there are scientists who have found proof of the flood, also proof of some of the plagues. How credible they are I’m not sure, but I don’t rely on science. The main thing about science and religon is that it is exactly how God wanted it, even as advanced as science is, they still cannot disprove religon, nor can they prove it. This is why faith will be the only means of believing.
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Do you ever have the brakes checked on your car? Or do you merely operate on faith that they will work?

StAnastasia
 
StAnastasia said:
Do you ever have the brakes checked on your car? Or do you merely operate on faith that they will work?

StAnastasia
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I could have them checked every morning, but I still have to have faith they will work from then on.
 
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