Religious Freedom Under Fire

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I don’t know. Maybe? I think there’s a lot more people out there who are mesmerized by their speech. I don’t think the Yiannopolous’, Limbaughs, Becks, etc. are really quite as crazy as they act on their shows. Limbaugh himself admitted it was threatre, not “news”.

The problem is that people… Embrace the character. They think the character is real. I don’t think Yiannopolous is sellling sex. I think he’s selling feel-goods to “those sorts of people.” Milo is a businessman first - he’s selling a character and brand.
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Right, he’s selling sex. Exactly. That’s why some of the right like him, because they find him attractive.

I don’t think Limbaugh is crazy, but I don’t think he is as much a true believer anymore but rather someone trying to cling to relevance as what we call the conservative movement acts more like a fan club for a boy band more than a group of people with core values. Beck is non-stop 100% con man. He just made a bad bet getting behind the anti-Trump movement. If Trump had lost, he’d be in a position of ‘power’ but he guessed wrong and is now irrelevant.
 
So he was fired for performing prayers while on the job:

“The panel held that plaintiff spoke as a public employee,
not as a private citizen when he kneeled and prayed on the
fifty-yard line immediately after games in school logoed-
attire while in view of students and parents.”
 
That’s a somewhat unfair characterization of Limbaugh’s attitude.

As a dedicated 24/7 dittohead I can say that he is entertainment in the sense that he makes sure his show is entertaining and not just a glorified news ticker, but he’s been consistent on his opinions and views for almost 30 years now. And since the beginning the “he doesn’t really believe it” attack has been used, mostly by people who have never actually listened to his show for any significant amount of time.
 
So he prayed in front of people?

Oh NO!

Is atheism and skepticism so fragile that just seeing that is going to make them convert en masse?

Boy, I really should get TJ Kirk and Sam Harris to see that!

Oh…and would you say the same if he were Muslim?

Doubt it!
 
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So he prayed in front of people?

Oh NO!

Is atheism and skepticism so fragile that just seeing that is going to make them convert en masse?

Boy, I really should get TJ Kirk and Sam Harris to see that!

Oh…and would you say the same if he were Muslim?

Doubt it!
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The school’s policy is clear and well in line with First Amendment jurisprudence. And I’d have the same problem if he was a Muslim, Jew, Jain or any other faith. Not being permitted to pray on school time and as a school employee is not an infringement on his rights.
 
I don’t think that he doesn’t have earnest conservatives beliefs. I didn’t mean to imply that. I think on the air he plays a part. He plays it up.

And I’ve listened to a fair amount of El Rushbo. I even know where Rio Linda is. I also hate driving out there.
 
I think it is because he was at least some of the time being private about it aside from the “inspiration speeches” and wasn’t trying to force conversion on anyone. Atheists need to stop being triggered every time they see someone praying at school.
 
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So I read the opinion. Kennedy wasn’t fired simply for praying on the field after games. There was a long list of events that were problematic about what he was doing.
  1. His “inspirational speeches” that were peppered with religion. It wasn’t just silent thirty second prayers.
  2. His doings were complained about by parents for causing issues after the game - people rushing down to join and knocking people about.
  3. Players only prayed along when he was in attendance. They didn’t at games where he wasn’t. That’s really the kicker.
  4. There was no mention of Buddhist chant. Which doesn’t mean it wasn’t there. But if it was brought up in argument in court the opinion would mention it.
  5. The school made ample opportunity for Kennedy to do his prayer thing. But he insisted on continuing at the 50 yard line in full view, using distinctly Christian gestures, along with his speeches.
 
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SuperLuigi said:
I think it is because he was being private about it and wasn’t trying to convert anyone. Atheists need to stop being triggerred every time they see someone praying at school.
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Have you even read the ruling?
 
Have you?

I’ve amended my original statement, but worried about people rushing the field? Seriously? That’s part of their argument?
 
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“Washington state high school coach fired for praying as a Christian, other faiths permissible.”
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With a sinking feeling, another sign of the probable future for Christians in this world.
Christians marginalized.
 
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Jig_Saw said:
I didn’t realize that CAF was allowing articles to be posted from every random right-wing blog with an agenda now. First, gatewaypundit and now pedophile-loving Milo Y. I’ll tell you what, post it from a good news site and I’ll take a look.
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off topic …but

what is a good news site? the fake news put out by cnn and such? how many edits have they been caught in? how many false stories have they setup? what is a good news site?

milo should be judged on what he says and not who he is. prove his point of view wrong after all he is just defending a position against others with their own agenda.

he debates islam. is this right or wrong? islam claims Christ didn’t die on the cross but an impostor was killed. how can any christian defend this teaching or a book or religion that teaches this? if you deny Christ there is no salvation but we will allow these people to go to their death without Jesus because we want to be politically correct. how will Jesus judge that?

it all comes down to Jesus.
1 Corinthians 15:14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
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Yes, the site is hardly impartial but the fact is a lot of folks are getting their news from places like this.

Nice Atheist asked for supplemental information that helped the discussion out a lot, so I think it’s fine.

Overall, you are correct. The mainstream media continues its agenda which is also very anti-Catholic and anti-Truth, and a lot of people are moving away even from cable news to sites like this and social.

So I would suggest that people be open about this sort of thing.

I would have posted another link, but this was the only one I could find.

Otherwise, the attacks on Milo Yiannopolous are the same ad hominem featured frequently here on CAF based on his lifestyle or having the wrong political opinions for being homosexual. Also the usual from the religious conservatives who I guess think having a gay guy telling fat jokes in front of 19 year olds is a greater threat than their underage children and grandchildren being forced to share a locker-room with the opposite gender as long as they get their check in the mail.
 
Money in the pocket of Reuters doesn’t help the Catholic Church…
 
What’s truly ironic are the epithets towards team unity.

Just look at what went on in the NFL this weekend. The same people saying this coach can’t pray are the same ones defending the right of these players to act out on the field.
 
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