Religious Names and Orders

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I understand that he began the research before he was elected. However, if you read the forward in the book, it is very interesting that he points out two things. 1) He is writing as a theologian doing speculative Christology and 2) he invites opposing views on the content.
Simply because he not only started the research before he was elected, but he wrote the whole book. After he was elected, he edited it before publication. IOW, he distanced himself as pope from it, so that people would not consider it an encyclical, when opposing views are not welcome.

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Simply because he not only started the research before he was elected, but he wrote the whole book. After he was elected, he edited it before publication. IOW, he distanced himself as pope from it, so that people would not consider it an encyclical, when opposing views are not welcome.

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You’re saying almost the same thing that I’m saying with the exception of one point. Not all encyclicals are infallible Even if it were an encyclical, it need not have the attribute of ordinary infallibility, though it would hae the attribute of ordinary authority. For examples, many religious orders were approved through encyclicals, such as the Franciscans, Discalced Carmelites, Dominicans and others. Those have never been considered infallible encyclicals. Many of the founders have been praised in encyclicals, but those are not infallible either. Even if the book were an encyclical, it could be debated and refuted on any number of areas that have nothing to do with dogma.

The book has a great deal of exegesis, philosophy and is a work of Christology, not a work of doctrine or discipline. By the way, I just finished it and it is a wonderful book, if one likes Rahner’s style of writing, which he uses. Otherwise, it will not be well received. The explanations are very germanic and filled with multiple dependent clauses to every sentence. It is also very Augustinian and Bonaventurian in its approach to the subject.

Back to the subject of the name . . . the point I was making is that he uses his secular name becaue he wants to distance the magisterium from the book. John Paul II did the same thing on certain writings and reflections. He would sign both names separated by a comma, as Benedict has done in this book.

The point, as it applies to this thread, is that religious names do not always carry the formality that they once did, for many practical reasons, not because it is a bad idea.

JR 🙂
 
Not all encyclicals are infallible Even if it were an encyclical, it need not have the attribute of ordinary infallibility, though it would hae the attribute of ordinary authority.
I didn’t say that.

Encyclicals, however, are part of the ordinary teaching of the Church, thus requiring “submission of intellect and will”, therefore opposing views are not welcome.

That’s what B16 meant about signing the book that he didn’t write as pope as the theologian that he was when he did write it and invited discussion.

You won’t see that on encyclicals.

:blessyou:
 
I didn’t say that.

Encyclicals, however, are part of the ordinary teaching of the Church, thus requiring “submission of intellect and will”, therefore opposing views are not welcome.

That’s what B16 meant about signing the book that he didn’t write as pope as the theologian that he was when he did write it and invited discussion.

You won’t see that on encyclicals.

:blessyou:
What I was saying is that there are encyclicals that are left open to opposing views and revisions. I gave the example of the encyclicals founding religious orders or speaking of certain saints. They leave the historicity open for discussion, as well as the disciplines involved.

Fraternally,

JR 🙂
 
What I was saying is that there are encyclicals that are left open to opposing views and revisions. I gave the example of the encyclicals founding religious orders or speaking of certain saints. They leave the historicity open for discussion, as well as the disciplines involved.
But are they then called encyclicals?

TIA

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Thank you, Brother David! I’ve thought about saying that myself, and I’m very glad you did.

Let’s get back to the joy and fun we were having sharing the religious names that we would choose in the best of all possible worlds! It was such an uplifting thing to see everyone’s happiness and enthusiasm!

Any more people want to add some new names to the lovely ones we have already heard? 🙂
 
I found out that the religious order I am applying to lets novices choose their own name! No name is imposed from a Superior. I can see that this has had a long tradition because there are two sets that I know of that have pretty much the same name:

Sr. Anne Marie
Sr. Anna Maria

Sr. M. Teresa Margaret
Sr. M. Theresa Margaret

I know it’s gotta be confusing to choose one that is so close to another. That’s why I was so happy to find out that my favorite name:

Sr. M. Catherine Therese of the Sacred Heart of Jesus

was not taken yet! 😃

Also, the Sisters have the custom of not revealing their name until the day of investiture in the Carmelite habit. I didn’t know this and I revealed it to a future Sister. 😊 She said she wouldn’t tell though! LOL!
 
J.M.+J.T.

Praised be Jesus Christ!

I am so excited because I was thinking about it today, and I realized that in about a year or so, I will be submitting my three name choices to my postulant mistress, God-willing! 🙂

So excited thinking about this. God is so good!
 
J.M.+J.T.

Praised be Jesus Christ!

I am so excited because I was thinking about it today, and I realized that in about a year or so, I will be submitting my three name choices to my postulant mistress, God-willing! 🙂

So excited thinking about this. God is so good!
:extrahappy: :dancing: :hug3: :flowers: :kiss4you: :yyeess:

LOL! I love the smileys! I’m doing a happy dance for you!
 
:extrahappy: :dancing: :hug3: :flowers: :kiss4you: :yyeess:

LOL! I love the smileys! I’m doing a happy dance for you!
I just had a random thought about dancing:

I do Irish dancing and I love it. While I dance I am so happy! But it sort of kills my feet when I stop, and while I am dancing it doesn’t hurt.😛
So I thought about like this: the dancing is like doing God’s work, and I love it while I do it, but if I feel tired I stop. Once I have stopped the pain comes- it’s horrible.
What I’m trying to say is, no matter how tired you are, JUST KEEP DANCING!

Remember the song Lord of the Dance? He kept dancing and dancing for us, even with the devil on His back.

Sorry…random:blush:
 
I just had a random thought about dancing:

I do Irish dancing and I love it. While I dance I am so happy! But it sort of kills my feet when I stop, and while I am dancing it doesn’t hurt.😛
So I thought about like this: the dancing is like doing God’s work, and I love it while I do it, but if I feel tired I stop. Once I have stopped the pain comes- it’s horrible.
What I’m trying to say is, no matter how tired you are, JUST KEEP DANCING!

Remember the song Lord of the Dance? He kept dancing and dancing for us, even with the devil on His back.

Sorry…random:blush:
LOL! You are too sweet. :heaven: :flowers: :aok:
 
I’d choose:

Fr Dominic-Augustine of the Blessed Sacrament O.P
Fr Dominic-Augustine of Divine Mercy O.P.
Fr Dominic-Augustine O.P.

Dominic
St Dominic is the founder of the Order of Preachers, and also the patron of Astronomers (look at my studying part of the sig), I feel that I should honour him.

Augustine
St Augustine is one who I admire greatly. I enjoy his teachings and his theologies. I also find his life fantastic and we draw some parallels. All in all, he is a great help and a comfort to my religious life.

Blessed Sacrament
I do not have a fanatical devotion to it, yet I desire to go it more often. I am amazed at the Real Presence, and how much love is contained in the Blessed Sacrament. In there is the truth of love, and it is something wonderful.

Divine Mercy
Should I be a priest in the Order of Preachers, I would above all like to be merciful. I love. The thing I want to do more than anything is listen to people and heal them through confession, laying of hands, and being able to baptise. Such love and mercy is shown, and through Divine Mercy, which I admire greatly (and I consider St Faustina a most beloved sister of mine), I wish to love, and through the Dominicans, to give that love to my brothers and sisters.

The Order of Preachers
All in all, it is what I do. I am not a brother or a priest, I am just a student. There is something that I desire from such a life, and the rule of St Augustine is simple enough, I guess. Yet, there is something about it that fits for me. There is something there that completes me when I dream of my life there. It is most certainly something to consider.
 
Gosh this is a neat thread. Nothing to fight about. 😃

I used to want to be a Carmelite, as I have always loved John of the Cross, and I wore a scapular until it made my neck turn colors. Really, I never took it off. Then I realized I was being superstitious about something that was meant to be a devotion, so I live my life dangerously without a scapular “safety net” now. Plus, I’m saving a bundle as they broke often. 🤷

I was once an aspirant for the Christian Brothers (LaSalle) but they don’t make you change your name. I interviewed with a local Franciscan order years and years ago but they don’t make you change your name either. My discernment eventually led me away from professing vows (and it had nothing to do with my desire to change my name in the slightest).

But yes, how I fantasized about a name change with a prepositional phrase tacked on the end. I once knew a Benedictine monk in the Phillipines whose name was Br. Pachomius, after the 2nd century monk. No prepositional phrase, however.

So I’d have been a Carmelite because I am a poet and John of the Cross is one of the best Saint Poets (Hopkins was a Jesuit, and a better poet, though he was never canonized). Not the best reason for joining an order, but here goes:

**Brother Immanuel Javier Salvatore Xavier of the Incarnation **(and if they thought I took too many variations on “savior,” I’d let them whittle off the ones they didn’t like).
 
So I’d have been a Carmelite because I am a poet and John of the Cross is one of the best Saint Poets (Hopkins was a Jesuit, and a better poet, though he was never canonized). Not the best reason for joining an order, but here goes:

**Brother Immanuel Javier Salvatore Xavier of the Incarnation **(and if they thought I took too many variations on “savior,” I’d let them whittle off the ones they didn’t like).
Hehe! 👍 I understand what you mean about the Scapular. I take it off sometimes because I worry about attaching too much to it. I took it off for a while last night. Not that I believe it isn’t special (I’m going into an order that wears them all the time), but I just worry about attaching my faith to an object. 🙂 In fact, God kind of got after me when I wore my scapular medal all the time. I wore it everyday and put it on before I left the house. One day, for no reason, the chain broke and it fell off. :eek: So, I’ve been careful to attach the faith only to God, not to a medal or scapular. 🙂
 
Gosh this is a neat thread. Nothing to fight about. 😃

I used to want to be a Carmelite, as I have always loved John of the Cross, and I wore a scapular until it made my neck turn colors. Really, I never took it off. Then I realized I was being superstitious about something that was meant to be a devotion, so I live my life dangerously without a scapular “safety net” now. Plus, I’m saving a bundle as they broke often. 🤷

I was once an aspirant for the Christian Brothers (LaSalle) but they don’t make you change your name. I interviewed with a local Franciscan order years and years ago but they don’t make you change your name either. My discernment eventually led me away from professing vows (and it had nothing to do with my desire to change my name in the slightest).

But yes, how I fantasized about a name change with a prepositional phrase tacked on the end. I once knew a Benedictine monk in the Phillipines whose name was Br. Pachomius, after the 2nd century monk. No prepositional phrase, however.

So I’d have been a Carmelite because I am a poet and John of the Cross is one of the best Saint Poets (Hopkins was a Jesuit, and a better poet, though he was never canonized). Not the best reason for joining an order, but here goes:

**Brother Immanuel Javier Salvatore Xavier of the Incarnation **(and if they thought I took too many variations on “savior,” I’d let them whittle off the ones they didn’t like).
The Carmelite Friars do not change names either. I’m thinking of male communities that change names. :confused:

Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word
Franciscan Friars of the Renewal
Trappists
Camaldolese

There must be other, but they’re not coming to my head right now. My community used to, but no longer. My name is not my baptismal name. But my novitiate class was the last one to change names back in the 90s.

JR 🙂
 
The Carmelite Friars do not change names either. I’m thinking of male communities that change names. :confused:

Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word
Franciscan Friars of the Renewal
Trappists
Camaldolese

There must be other, but they’re not coming to my head right now. My community used to, but no longer. My name is not my baptismal name. But my novitiate class was the last one to change names back in the 90s.

JR 🙂
I believe that some of the provinces of the Order of Carmel, Discalced, do add a title after their name.
 
But my novitiate class was the last one to change names back in the 90s.🙂
Not to date myself, but I graduated high school in 1985. That’s when I was courting orders. I was interested in the Discalced Carmelites because of my study of St. John of the Cross. But still there is something both terrifying and romantic about changing one’s name, assuming a kind-of new identity. I was young…:o
 
A few years ago one of the priests at school mentioned how he got his name in his homily. It was the feast of St. Ignatius of Loyola and he was Fr. Ignatius. Oddly enough Fr. Ignatius is a Dominican.

He said that when he was brought before his superior and asked to choose his name he went through quite a few which were rejected because there were too many friars with that name. He asked for Dominic, Thomas, Aquinas, Albert, and several other Dominican saints. Finally, the superior told him that he was going to give him 15 minutes to choose an acceptable name or he would choose one for him.

Fr. Ignatius said that he began to think of all the Dominican saints and immediately panicked when he realized that the superior would very well name him Fr. Cucufas. He then thought of the statue at the entrance of his home parish of St. Ignatius and blurted out “I choose Ignatius”. After some surprise and a comment from the superior that Ignatius was a Jesuit name he approved it.
 
I believe that some of the provinces of the Order of Carmel, Discalced, do add a title after their name.
here in our country they choose their titles but they rarely use it in letters, etc.
 
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