Religious Vegetarianism

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Gloria_de_G said:
Very nice, just do not let your compassion for animals cause you to be unhealthy. Make sure you eat plenty nuts every day. 😃

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Don’t worry about my health Gloria 👍

Only a handful of nuts a day, and they would need to be the correct ones or else I’d be pretty fat!!

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Gloria_de_G said:
After having quoted this, I do not mean that we should not care for what we eat. In fact, the food that we eat does not make us impure within, but can make us sick!!😃
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Hi Gloria, welcome to my other controversial CAF thread :).
 
QNDNNDQDCE said:
Listen to the words of the Apostle Paul in 1 Timothy 4:1-5.
Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will turn away from the faith by paying attention to deceitful spirits and demonic instructions through the hypocrisy of liars with branded consciences. They forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the invocation of God in prayer.
St. Paul speaks of those who require abstention from meat, implicating such teaching with demonic instructions. Meat was given to man for his nourishment and enjoyment. Rejecting this gift as unholy is an insult directly to God.
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Well, I would not take “Paul’s Opinion” on that.
 
Sarcelle said:
This depends on where they lived. Try having some semblance of vegetable gardens or rice and wheat fields in the Arctic.
People will eat whatever is available to survive. This is why you don’t see vegetarian Inuit or Eskimos. Vegetarianism is more of an anomaly.
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Since GOD foresees the future, then that maybe one of the reasons He allowed humans to consume meat after over 1600 years of prohibition.
 
To be honest i’ve tried being a vegetarian several times, none of them have worked out. The last phase of vegetarianism ended when I passed out from anemia. I’ve also felt symptoms of depression, and found that it’s often difficult to get through life because of low energy and lack of proper nutrition. If God wanted us to not eat meat, why equip us with bodies that need meat to function properly? In addition to the scriptures many people have posted above, it just doesn’t quite make sense.

Even on issues such as fasting on Ash Wednesday and before communion, those who cannot fast due to health are exempt. This is an example of how our bodily health is taken into account even in the matter of spiritual things. It’s difficult to believe that God would give us bodies that function best while eating meat and then command us never to do so.

Now, it may be a nice thought to become vegetarian. I know a lovely Christian girl who is vegan because of the way animals are treated; she says it’s not right to abuse God’s creatures like that and she won’t support that behavior. I can agree with that, certainly. But I don’t see how it can possibly be a universal requirement.
 
Butaperson said:
If God wanted us to not eat meat, why equip us with bodies that need meat to function properly?
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That is not accurate, people have lived for over 1600 years without meat!

There are many healthy vegetarians out there and their bodies are function properly.

Maybe GOD allowed “meat” to be consumed just because he knows that there are some humans bodies which are in need for meat.
 
“Christian vegetarianism” is a difficult position to sustain.

There was a time (before the Flood) when it may have been the norm - again, this depends on how literally you take Genesis 1-5. Early humans were most probably hunter-gatherers, at least from what I’ve read.

After the Flood, the norms are clear. The Pentateuch permits eating meat even outside a sacrificial context. And certain portions of a sacrificed animal are given to the Levitical priests as “holy offerings”. If meat was that bad, why would God have given such commands to Moses and Aaron? (The argument that “God punished the Israelites for asking for quail” is fallacious: God punished them because they disbelieved him and wanted to return to Egypt.)

The argument from Tobit 12 does not fly, because Raphael was an angel. Jesus is both True God and True Man. To claim that He was eating “fake meat” - especially after passages like John 20 and 21 hammer home his humanity - is tantamount to denying His humanity, which is heretical.

Jesus and His disciples were Jewish, and certainly would have eaten meat (sheep or goat’s flesh) at Passover.

Jesus is the “Lamb of God” (John 1: 29) who is sacrificed for the sins of the world. Not the potato of God or the watermelon of God. 😃

Animals do not have rational souls - and eating an animal is not a sin, much less a sin that endangers one’s soul. To claim so is dangerous, and can be a stumbling-stone for the scrupulous and those new to the faith.

There are Christian sects / cults that embrace vegetarianism (Seventh-Day Adventists, as well as some New Age nuts), but this has never been the teaching of the True Church.
 
Sam_777 said:
[sign]I totally disagree with you Gloria[/sign]
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Very good Sam, but you know that a statement like that is not enough for me. Therefore say where you disagree :confused:

I do not believe that being a vegetarian brings us close to Christ… by your deeds and the thoughts of your heart you can come closer to him, but not by what you eat.

And at the end of the day is God who gives us health, but we should not tempt him. The devil said to Jesus “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down from here; for it is written,
‘He will give his angels charge of you, to guard you,’
and
‘On their hands they will bear you up,
lest you strike your foot against a stone.’” And Jesus answered him, “It is said, ‘You shall not tempt the Lord your God.’” Lk 4:9-12

Should we then tempt God with what we eat??? Knowing that it is bad for us even though we like very much the taste of it??? And then blame him for not being healthy??? :mad:

Even tough we eat the right things for our bodies it is ultimately in His hands to give us health. But I do not want to tempt him…as far as I can…😉

In the love of God,
Gloria

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RPRPsych said:
“Christian vegetarianism” is a difficult position to sustain.

There was a time (before the Flood) when it may have been the norm - again, this depends on how literally you take Genesis 1-5. Early humans were most probably hunter-gatherers, at least from what I’ve read.
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Well I know that in the Garden of Eden men were told to eat fruit from any tree! And in the New Jerusalem they will be eating “the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.” Rev 22:2!

At the moment there is an angel to stop people getting near the tree of life, but Christ said that "To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’ "Rev 2:7
RPRPsych said:
After the Flood, the norms are clear. The Pentateuch permits eating meat even outside a sacrificial context. And certain portions of a sacrificed animal are given to the Levitical priests as “holy offerings”. If meat was that bad, why would God have given such commands to Moses and Aaron? (The argument that “God punished the Israelites for asking for quail”** is fallacious**: God punished them because they disbelieved him and wanted to return to Egypt.)
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“4 Now the rabble that was among them had a strong craving; and the people of Israel also wept again, and said, “O that we had meat to eat! 5 We remember the fish we ate in Egypt for nothing, the cucumbers, the melons, the leeks, the onions, and the garlic; 6 but now our strength is dried up, and there is nothing at all but this manna to look at.”” Num 11:4-6

Dear RP, you see, you are wrong in saying that is fallacious!

And as for what you said “The Pentateuch permits eating meat even outside a sacrificial context” well Jesus told the people who ask him about divorce that Moses allowed that because of the hardness of their hearts. This is a similar thing, I believe. 😉
RPRPsych said:
Animals do not have rational souls - and eating an animal is not a sin, much less a sin that endangers one’s soul. To claim so is dangerous, and can be a stumbling-stone for the scrupulous and those new to the faith.

There are Christian sects / cults that embrace vegetarianism (Seventh-Day Adventists, as well as some New Age nuts), but this has never been the teaching of the True Church.
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👍

Yes if you want healing for your soul you go to the priest but if you are sick you go to the doctor!😃

In the love of God,
Gloria

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Sam_777 said:
Humans were vegetarians from the creation till the flood (around 1656 years), GOD said in (Genesis 1:29-30) that all creatures including humans and animals will have green plant for food.
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Don’t forget that Abel was a shepherd; just because there is no mention of eating meat doesn’t mean they didn’t.
 
Gloria_de_G said:
Well I know that in the Garden of Eden men were told to eat fruit from any tree! And in the New Jerusalem they will be eating “the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.” Rev 22:2!

At the moment there is an angel to stop people getting near the tree of life, but Christ said that "To him who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’ "Rev 2:7
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Revelation recapitulates some of the imagery of Genesis; however, we can’t take it all literally. (For example, Rev. 17 is not about a literal woman.)
“4 Now the rabble that was among them had a strong craving; and the people of Israel also wept again, and said, “O that we had meat to eat! 5 We remember the fish we ate in Egypt for nothing, the cucumbers, the melons, the leeks, the onions, and the garlic; 6 but now our strength is dried up, and there is nothing at all but this manna to look at.”” Num 11:4-6
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Dear RP, you see, you are wrong in saying that is fallacious!
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“In Egypt”. This shows that they were hankering for the “fleshpots of Egypt” - in other words, they were rejecting God’s divine plan for them for the sake of food. This isn’t the same as sitting down and eating quail. And that passage also mentions other foods - melons, leeks, onions, garlic. Is eating those sinful, too? 😃
And as for what you said “The Pentateuch permits eating meat even outside a sacrificial context” well Jesus told the people who ask him about divorce that Moses allowed that because of the hardness of their hearts. This is a similar thing, I believe. 😉
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Jesus specifically annulled the dispensation to divorce (“put away”) one’s wife in the NT. He did no such thing about diet - in fact, he pronounced all foods clean (Mark 7).
 
Gloria_de_G said:
Very good Sam, but you know that a statement like that is not enough for me. Therefore say where you disagree :confused:
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I quoted your quote in that !, it’s when you said:
“you can be a vegetarian because it does good to your health, but not to your believes”

Believe it or not, I’m one for what I believe not for what is good to my health…
 
Sam_777 said:
I take it literally 100%, I believe “THE MOST HIGH” words.:gopray2:
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Well, good for you. 🙂 As long as you’re not insinuating that those of us who have different views do not believe in the Most High. 😉
 
Wildgraywolf said:
Don’t forget that Abel was a shepherd; just because there is no mention of eating meat doesn’t mean they didn’t.
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Sam_777 said:
Hey :mad:, that was for the milk not the meat !!!
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Genesis 4:3-5

"3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell. "

Just to clear this up. Abel killed animals! He offer a portion of their fat to God, the other portion he eat it!! 😃

Love,
Gloria

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Sam_777 said:
I quoted your quote in that !, it’s when you said:
“you can be a vegetarian because it does good to your health, but not to your believes”

Believe it or not, I’m one for what I believe not for what is good to my health…
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OK what is that you believe that makes you one vegetarian, contrasting to the teachings of our Lord:confused: that said that the kingdom of God is not in eating or drinking :o

Just clarifying
Gloria

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