Religiously Lost, Seeking Guidance

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I need some kind help. I feel a little bit foolish posting this on a website, as it seems to trivialize my issues, but I don’t feel comfortable speaking about with this to a priest as the situation is as it is, and don’t feel comfortable confessing my feelings to my friends for understandable reasons. So please be nice to me; I can’t take much more.

I was raised under the Jewish faith. At this point in my life, I’m Jewish by faith, and not practice. It’s difficult for me to appreciate the necessity of kosher, not using electricity on the Shabbat, and various other rituals. Reform Judaism, which mostly set these things aside, seems a watered down version of faith. My point is: I feel God inside me, I’m convinced He is real and He has created this world, and that the Torah is (at least on a metaphorical level—I don’t believe the world is 6,000 years old) accurate—yet all these side dishes don’t make sense to me. At the same time, I feel very uncomfortable with Judaism’s lack of focus on an afterlife. Yes, this world is terribly important—yet I do want to know if there is something after this world—and the Zohar, through beautiful and rich, has about fifteen conflicting answers! Am I reincarnated? This there a reborn garden of Eden? Am I destroyed? Am I resurrected? How can all these answers be right at once?

There have been few times I’ve felt comfortable around Jewish people. The reason for this is that I’m “half-Jewish”—or by Orthodox standards, not Jewish at all. I’ve been bullied, preached to; my parents have been compared to a gas chamber. I’ve been told my soul is worth “less than a cow’s soul.” This hurts. I’m not worth less to God because I’m a half-Jew. When I am around other Jewish people in religious settings, I feel as though I’m thrown into a pit of snakes. I want to feel a part of the service, but can’t; if they knew I was a half-Jew, their internal feelings would change about me, even if their external were veiled.

I’ve been drawn to Catholicism for several years, but have mostly curbed my impulses. Why? One can’t imagine how difficult it is to endanger an identity, or rather, so many years of life, to curiosity. Yet, when I find the chance, I do explore Catholic churches, and like them. I really, truly admire the character of “The Virgin Mary”—I’ve been very stanch about chastity, and she seems to embody all that I admire.

Yet there are things that are foreign to me. The idea of a trinity, the idea of Christ, the idea of heaven and hell—the idea an angel could go against God. I wonder if my longings are superficial, or simply “spiritual guidance” from an unknown. However, how do I know this? Certainly, from reading these forums, most people here are certain that this religion is the right one. Yet, again, how do I know this? For all religions tell me this—indeed, even in Christianity, the Baptists will say you are wrong, the Anglicans will say you are wrong—and all offer the same reward and punishment. Therefore, if I make this step towards Catholicism, if I “explore” by attending religious topics meetings and keeping my mouth shut—what if I’m being misled? Please understand my fear. It’s not a judgment against you–it’s a judgment against myself. I’m more worried about upsetting God by choosing the wrong religion, than choosing no religion, and leaving Judaism for a spiritual “I believe in God, and that’s as far as I’ll claim.” At the same time, I simply cannot accept that my (now secular family), who believe that God created this world, and that he commands it, and are lovely, kind people, but choose not to subscribe to any religion, will be punished, simply because of a lack of circumstantial opportunity.

I feel as though God has put me in the same, but more difficult position, as he has remote tribes in Africa or Brazil. He’s cast me into a religion I can never be fully apart of (without converting into things I don’t support), and then, cast me into a world where there are countless options and I’m expected to pick the right one. Will I really be punished if I misstep? And is this worth pursuing any further? It would be kind of God to give me some external sign, that I may appreciate—not because I’m special, or important, but because I’m so lost.
 
Snail-

You have made a very big leap of faith by simpling posting your thoughts. I admire for that.

Have you been to one of our Masses (service)? I think you would be amazed by many of the similarities we have with our brothers of the Jewish faith. Our Eucharistic (communion) celebration is linked to the Passover. In fact, the children in my parish learn about the Passover and we actually celebrated a full Passover meal here at our church a number of years ago. Our Liturgy of the Word almost always includes a reading from the Torah or one of the prophets.

Mary was a good Jewish mother. She knew her role was very special and she knew her Son was very-very special. Jesus and his disciples (followers) and apostles (selected followers) were all Jewish. Some (most) of them were very confused about Jesus’ purpose. Most were convinced he was the Messiah, but many thought his Kingdom would be here on earth - with positions for them.

Your inquiry comes at a very special time for the Catholic Church as we prepare to celebrate the death and resurrection. I hope you can find a local guide to show you the wonderfulness of our Church. If not, just show-up at a Mass and observe.

God bless!
 
I need some kind help. I feel a little bit foolish posting this on a website, as it seems to trivialize my issues, but I don’t feel comfortable speaking about with this to a priest as the situation is as it is, and don’t feel comfortable confessing my feelings to my friends for understandable reasons. So please be nice to me; I can’t take much more.

I was raised under the Jewish faith. At this point in my life, I’m Jewish by faith, and not practice. It’s difficult for me to appreciate the necessity of kosher, not using electricity on the Shabbat, and various other rituals. Reform Judaism, which mostly set these things aside, seems a watered down version of faith. My point is: I feel God inside me, I’m convinced He is real and He has created this world, and that the Torah is (at least on a metaphorical level—I don’t believe the world is 6,000 years old) accurate—yet all these side dishes don’t make sense to me. At the same time, I feel very uncomfortable with Judaism’s lack of focus on an afterlife. Yes, this world is terribly important—yet I do want to know if there is something after this world—and the Zohar, through beautiful and rich, has about fifteen conflicting answers! Am I reincarnated? This there a reborn garden of Eden? Am I destroyed? Am I resurrected? How can all these answers be right at once?

There have been few times I’ve felt comfortable around Jewish people. The reason for this is that I’m “half-Jewish”—or by Orthodox standards, not Jewish at all. I’ve been bullied, preached to; my parents have been compared to a gas chamber. I’ve been told my soul is worth “less than a cow’s soul.” This hurts. I’m not worth less to God because I’m a half-Jew. When I am around other Jewish people in religious settings, I feel as though I’m thrown into a pit of snakes. I want to feel a part of the service, but can’t; if they knew I was a half-Jew, their internal feelings would change about me, even if their external were veiled.

I’ve been drawn to Catholicism for several years, but have mostly curbed my impulses. Why? One can’t imagine how difficult it is to endanger an identity, or rather, so many years of life, to curiosity. Yet, when I find the chance, I do explore Catholic churches, and like them. I really, truly admire the character of “The Virgin Mary”—I’ve been very stanch about chastity, and she seems to embody all that I admire.

Yet there are things that are foreign to me. The idea of a trinity, the idea of Christ, the idea of heaven and hell—the idea an angel could go against God. I wonder if my longings are superficial, or simply “spiritual guidance” from an unknown. However, how do I know this? Certainly, from reading these forums, most people here are certain that this religion is the right one. Yet, again, how do I know this? For all religions tell me this—indeed, even in Christianity, the Baptists will say you are wrong, the Anglicans will say you are wrong—and all offer the same reward and punishment. Therefore, if I make this step towards Catholicism, if I “explore” by attending religious topics meetings and keeping my mouth shut—what if I’m being misled? Please understand my fear. It’s not a judgment against you–it’s a judgment against myself. I’m more worried about upsetting God by choosing the wrong religion, than choosing no religion, and leaving Judaism for a spiritual “I believe in God, and that’s as far as I’ll claim.” At the same time, I simply cannot accept that my (now secular family), who believe that God created this world, and that he commands it, and are lovely, kind people, but choose not to subscribe to any religion, will be punished, simply because of a lack of circumstantial opportunity.

I feel as though God has put me in the same, but more difficult position, as he has remote tribes in Africa or Brazil. He’s cast me into a religion I can never be fully apart of (without converting into things I don’t support), and then, cast me into a world where there are countless options and I’m expected to pick the right one. Will I really be punished if I misstep? And is this worth pursuing any further? It would be kind of God to give me some external sign, that I may appreciate—not because I’m special, or important, but because I’m so lost.
Dave makes some very good points. I would add, pray to Mary. Talk to her. Ask for her help. Her life, here and in heaven, iis dedicated to bringing souls to her Son. You ask for a sign. I can’t predict just what God will choose to show you, but many, many people have smelled roses when having an experience of Mary’s presence. If you decide to talk to her, and the unmistakeable scent of roses is close, that will be your sign. Clearly you are yearning for God. Our souls are made to be with Him. He has led you this far. He won’t desert you now. Good luck and God bless.
 
I see that God is present in your soul, as He is present in mine, and I praise Him for that! First and foremost, know that you are His precious child, and just trying to know and serve Him better, in searching for the Truth, honors and pleases Him greatly!!!

I can only answer you out of my own experience: I have always felt His beautiful loving presence in my soul, and this is affirmed by what I have been taught in my Catholic Faith. It would be impossible for me to give you all the answers about the Catholic faith here, but let me just express my own faith and views about the Jewish religion, as I understand it.

The Jewish religion is very highly respected by Catholic people. After all, Jesus, who we Love and revere as God’s Son, was a Jew. We believe that that God revealed Himself and His Love through the Jews and that He had a glorious plan, through this chosen people, to reach ALL of His people - Jews and Gentiles alike. His plan was to walk among us, as one of us, and teach us how to live and love and please Him. Incredible, I know, yet this we believe is a testament to the extent of God’s unfathomable love for us, His creatures.

We believe Jesus came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets and reveal God’s Merciful Love. God sacrificed His Son, just as Abraham was willing to sacrifice his son Isaac, to show His great Love and establish His new covenant with the people. Jesus is the lamb of the new Passover: immersed in His Mercy, and marked with His own precious blood, Divine Justice (for our unfaithfulness and transgressions) is appeased and the way is clear for reconciliation and renewed relationship with Our Loving Father.

(I am not a theologian and am probably putting all this rather ineptly. I urge you to do some reading on Catholic theology and the links to the Jewish religion.)

I hope this helps, a little. I will include you in my prayers and perhaps we will meet someday in Heaven! God’s peace and love and wisdom be with you on your holy journey to Truth.

Blessings,

Theresa
 
You have begun your journey of faith with the first step, asking questions, and none of them are trivial. You might get some inspiriation from reading the conversion stories of Rosiland Moss, Rick Conason and Martin K. Barrack; they are former Jews who converted to Catholicism. Rick and Martin stories are in the first 2 “Surprised by Truth” books by Patrick Madrid. Rosiland Moss is a Catholic apologist. You are probably ready to take a closer look at the Catholic Church, you would be most welcome to call and make an appointment with a priest; he would be happy to answer questions, (that is part of his job) and will not try and convert you. If that sounds too scarey right now, you can get a copy of “Catholicism for Dummies”. It is easy to read, and you do not have to already be Catholic to understand it. Keep looking and keep asking; the Holy Spirit is calling you home.
 
I would recommend reading “Salvation is from the Jews” by Roy Schoeman. 🙂
 
I think you would appreciate hearing the testimony of Rosalind Moss who grew up Jewish and only at 30 heard of Jesus. In her long, often painful journey, she came home to the Catholic Church. She is a woman of thought, of prayer, a woman who would never want to upset God. I heard her speak off of short wave radio about her journey and eventually a tape of that journey got into my hands.

It is probably on file available through the internet at EWTN but I haven’t located it. Maybe someone could give a hand.

Welcome to this forum. This difficulty you are going through will move you closer to the Jewish Messiah, and I am so excited for you to discover Him! Many blessings to you.

Peace.
 
Welcome to the Catholic church! You are beginning a lifelong journey in discovering our Faith.

A couple of points; you mentioned not being able to understand the Angels rebelling against God.
The angels were given “free will”, as we were, but with an absolute clear intellect. So when they were tempted to want to be on an equal footing with God, they were cast down.

Its sort of like us except we don’t have a clear intellect. But we do have free will. Therefore God allows us the chance for forgiveness by doing penance and asking for it.

Being a typical American, my heritage is sort of like a mixed breed puppy. I am Cornish, Scotish,
English, Slovak, Jewish, and a dozen other nationalities. Yep I had my DNA done.

I am also a convert. Coming into the church in 1970 when I was 30 years old. I have not had any problems accepting the Doctrines of the church. I found out that I really love the pre-Vatican II Mass. So that is where we tend to go. When we are short on funds for gas we do go to our local Ordinary Form Catholic church. But its not our preference.

Your accepting Mary is a wonderful step. As she is our mother you need to draw close to her and ask for guidence. Try going to a Holy Hour of Adoration. Its a great time to learn to draw close to her and her Son.

God Bless you on your journey.
 
God bless you – may He lead you into the Catholic Faith!

You might also want to read about Alphonse Ratisbonne’s experience with the Miraculous Medal – marypages.com/ratisbonneEng1.htm

amsjj 🙂

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Jesus, God and man,
imprisoned by love in Thy most holy Sacrament,
have mercy upon us.
– Blessed John Henry Newman, December 22, 1851

Tú y yo sabemos por la fe que oculto en las especies sacramentales está Cristo,
ese Cristo con su Cuerpo, con su Sangre, con su Alma, y con su Divinidad,
prisonero de amor.
– San Josemaria Escriva, 1 junio 1974
 
Welcome to the forum,

It’s great that you are asking questions. I would like to suggest that you pick up a Catholic Bible and read the New Testament. Pick up a Catechism to understand what we teach and come here with any questions.

I also wanted to say I am so sorry you have been treated in such a way. Remember that God loves you and there is nothing you nor anyone else can do to change that.

God bless and I hope you learn more about God and your faith through your journey.

Jeff
 
I agree that you should read the book "Salvation is from the Jews. Here is the link to his website. Listen to his conversion story…it is amazing and you would especially understand the things he was feeling:)

salvationisfromthejews.com/
 
Attend a Catholic Mass, or go to where there is Eucharistic Adoration (many parishes have this at certain times during the week), and just sit there and open yourself to God honestly and see what happens.

Read the Gospels and the Book of the Acts of the Apostles and see if they speak to you. They are eyewitness testimonies of Jesus’ earthly time. Jesus was an historical figure. (The Acts of the Apostles is a “continuation” of the Gospel of Luke and has much information regarding the work of the Holy Spirit and the spread of Christianity).

Pray about it.

Now I realize these things may not appeal to you if you are wanting hard evidence, but we are not merely our bodies and our brains. We have a spiritual component to us, something intangible, that puts us in touch with God, and that is where God most often speaks to us.
 
Another recommend is read up on St Edith Stein. Jewess, become Catholic nun, died in Aushwitz (sp?)

She was a scholar, became agnostic/atheist…incredible spiritual journey
 
Perhaps God is calling you to Him so that you will be able to share His love with your family and friends, who otherwise would not know it.
 
I once was where you now are…except I was raised a lutheran and then lived hedonistically for many years.
BUT, I too felt that “tug” or “pull” towards God. Open your heart and your mind and allow Him to lead you.
Read a book about Edith Stein, who grew up in the Jewish faith and became a nun. That may help you to understand how that particular transition is possible.
I will add you to my prayers.
Welcome to the forums and please feel free to ask any and all questions. 🙂
 
Far from it trivialising your questions ; forums like this are ideal for such as you who have questions but do not feel safe to raise the level of commitment to person to person discussion. I always advise LOST folks like yourself who are confused by whatever their personal journey to simplify things by slowing down and start to focus on one issue at a time because trying to deal with too many things is like herding cats.

We do believe in the same God ; and you could pray to the Lord God of Abraham and Moses and Jacob for help and guidance in this even if you cant begin to pray to Christ or pray for Mary’s advocacy.

So I suggest you do much of what others have suggested but try to focus on one thing at a time so that you can actually progress rather than go in circles.

Hoping your search leads you to peace. 👍
 
I don’t know if the original poster is still around, but if you are, I hope that you see this.

I’M A JEW AND A CATHOLIC AND A FRANCISCAN

Many people use the term Hebrew Catholic. Now that I’ve said that, allow me to explain a few things that may help you. For us (Jews) this may be a much more difficult issue than it is for Gentiles, because Judaism is both faith and culture. It grounds us in our families, communities and the history of our people. As we experience the movement of the Spirit to explore Christianity, we also experience great anxiety. We feel like the kid who is thinking about running away from home. It sounds terrific to be Tom Sawyer, run away and live on an island or navigate a big river . . . until you reach the front door.

I was very fortunate, but you may be too. I grew up among a unique group of Catholic men, the Capuchin Franciscans. Obviously, they were Catholic friars. They had a long tradition of ecumenism, before the word ever existed. They had no problems educating Jewish kids in their local school without pushing Catholicism down our throats. We had to study Catholicism in religion class, because it was an academic subject. That was a good thing, because by the time I became a Catholic, I had a lot of knowledge under my belt. When they had mass and Divine Office, the non-Catholic kids were invited to attend, but not forced to do so. We all went. The alternative was to sit in study hall with Ms. Shapiro and wait for everyone to get back. Trust me; you didn’t want to be in the same town with her, never mind the same room. She was as mean as the friars were sweet. I’ve often asked them if they actually hired her to make them look good.

Now here is my first piece of advice. If you can find a very non-judgmental Catholic group, where you can visit and participate in their activity, that’s the place to begin. I found that I was not the target of their scorn nor did they single me out and try to “save my soul.” There is nothing more offensive than being told that you’re the devil’s spawn. To us Jews, this is not only offensive, it’s laughable. We were not raised in this culture of fear that many Christians and Muslims lived with. To surround yourself with Catholics who live in this culture of fear is the worse place to begin when you want to experience Catholicism and as a Jew. It only creates hurts and creates resentment.

Another thing that I found very helpful was to observe the Jewishness of Catholicism. Most Catholics don’t realize how Jewish they really are. Right now, that’s neither here nor there. The issue is not what most Catholics do or don’t realize. The issue is that as we, who are Jewish, begin to identify those very Jewish elements in Catholic liturgy and Catholic tradition, we begin to feel a little more at home. Some things that did it for me were the use of bread and wine at mass. That’s very Jewish. Try having a Seder without matzoth and wine. The rites of passage. They have counterparts in Judaism. In Catholicism they are called the Sacraments of Initiation. They have theological and ontological differences. Our rites of passage really foreshadow the Sacraments of Initiation. When I attend a Bar Mitzvah and I can proudly smile and say, this was G-d’s way of preparing his people for Confirmation or Chrismation, where you profess your faith, seal the covenant and take your proper place among the men and women of faith. The other wonderful Catholic practice that is very Jewish is the sanctuary. Whether it’s a very modern church that looks like a spaceship or a very busy Baroque church, they all had this wonderful sacred space, just as we do in the temple. I kept finding these little external traces of Judaism that made me feel very comfortable.
 
Then there is the whole deal about family, friends and what they will think or say. I learned very early in life that Jews, Muslims and Catholics have one thing in common . . . GUILT. This was more so 50 years ago than it is today. They governed by guilt, not only in the religious arena, but in the home as well. You were always going to do something that was going to kill your mother (if you were Jewish) or something that would send you to hell (if you were Catholic) or something that would cost you your life (if you were Muslim). Once I realized this, I also realized that much of the reaction that makes us feel guilty is grounded in fear of the unknown, prejudice, over protection, or simply real love. Our family and friends love us and want for us what they believe to be the best. I arrived at a place where it was no longer bothersome. I would say very little to my Jewish friends and relatives about my soul searching and I always attributed their responses to one of the above reasons. None of them are very rational.

There are obvious Catholic doctrines that are not acceptable among Jews. However, this is not the right place to go into all of them. The greatest obstacle for me was the Incarnation. The idea that G-d became man was crazy. However, in my Jewish upbringing I had always been taught the importance of charity. I began to look my beloved Capuchin Franciscan Friars. You may have other Catholics who do the same thing for you.

The friars were the most charitable people I knew. I always noticed that they made a big fuss on October 4th. I knew that they celebrated St. Francis that day and that he was the founder of their religious family. I observed how important it was to them to be faithful to this patriarch. This resonated with me, because we have our own patriarchs. I don’t mean Abraham and company. I mean some of our great rabbis. That was OK. However, they talked so much about how he was their teacher that I wondered how much he had to do with their kindness. Being a Jew, you have a deep appreciation for the righteous man. I picked up a book at the library about Francis of Assisi. You may want to do the same. He blew my mind. He was the most incredible Gentile I ever studied. Everything that he said and did centered around Jesus. However, he was the just impressive.

Well, I quickly understood why the friars venerated their beloved Holy Father as they call him and why, 800 years later, they tried to be like him. The man was absolutely awesome. However, everything that the man did and taught pointed to Jesus. However, it was comprehensible to me. At times, it was almost humorous. The man was a nut job, but a charming one and a very powerful one. I fell in love with him. I picked up another and another book. The more that I read, the more I understood Jesus. Eventually, when I had the guts to ask one of the friars to teach me to read the Gospels, he pointed me to the Gospel of John, which is St. Francis’ favorite. As I read it, I saw so much of my beloved medieval nut job that I realized that this Jesus was truly the fulfillment of everything that I was looking for. Not only did he fulfill what I was looking for, but he fulfilled what our people have been looking for. Sometimes it helps to approach this through the experience of a model Christian rather than plunging into the Gospels and Catholic theology. After you find a Christian role model, as I found Francis, that role model helps you understand Jesus. One day, I realized that I had no more goose bumps at the thought of the Incarnation. I wanted what the friars and Francis had. The only place that I could find that was in Jesus.

That’s my story. I’m still a Jew. You can’t take away my bloodline, my heritage, my last name, my family’s history. Most the time I simply refer to myself as a Hebrew Catholic or just a Catholic. But when people ask for specifics, I say that I’m Jewish. I explain that there is nothing in the Catholic faith that denies the foundations of the Jewish faith. The Catholic faith is the fulfillment of Judaism. Everything that was essential to Judaism has been preserved in Catholicism. Everything that prepared our people for the coming of the Messiah was abrogated, because it was not longer necessary. The Messiah came. We call those the old laws. Everything that was promised to Israel was delivered by Jesus through the Church. When Pope John Paul referred to Jews as “the older brothers and sisters”, it made perfect sense to me. The Catholic Church is younger and it contains what was revealed to Israel plus the rest of the story, which is not in the Torah or the Talmud.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
To JReducation

That was a very powerful post. I am glad that you found your way to Christ, and I hope that the creator of this tread will do the same!
 
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