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The Will of God is revealed in this day, fathercome. That’s why Catholics have Sacred Tradition, which is the Will of God revealed in this day, as articulated through His Body, the Catholic Church.
Yes, this is a difference.

So you might ask, how do the Baha’is propose to unite the religions, such as Islam and the Catholic Church, if both Islam and Catholic Church both believe the Will of God is revealed through their own channels?
 
Yes, this is a difference.

So you might ask, how do the Baha’i propose to unite the religions, such as Islam and the Catholic Church, if both Islam and Catholic Church both believe the Will of God is revealed through their own channels?
Either they will have to embrace false teachings (such as those espoused by Rev. Phelps), or commit themselves to saying, “You may not teach this for it is not of God.”

Are Bahais willing to say this?
 
Either they will have to embrace false teachings (such as those espoused by Rev. Phelps), or commit themselves to saying, “You may not teach this for it is not of God.”

Are Bahais willing to say this?
Certainly regarding racism and hate against people, Baha’i writings enjoin people to love all mankind, the unity of mankind is the pivotal principal of the Baha’i writings. The Baha’i revelation alone is considered the Will of God for this day. This is the whole point of the Baha’i Faith, to bring the different religions like Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Sabeanism (the religion of John the Baptist) etc., as well as nations and peoples together.

Again, How do you suppose Baha’is claim to unite Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Sabeanism all into One Faith?
 
Certainly regarding racism and hate against people,
What about other theological ideas which people disagree on? Are Bahais willing to say that all people must conform to their views, or will they say, “You can certainly believe [A], even if we believe [not-A]”?
Again, How do you suppose Baha’is claim to unite Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Sabeanism all into One Faith?
I have no idea.
 
Again, How do you suppose Baha’is claim to unite Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Sabeanism all into One Faith?
I have no idea.
Baha’u’llah proclaims that the World Ended with His coming. We are no longer living the world that once was, but that this is a New Earth and an New Heaven. The Day of Resurrection that is spoken of in the Bible already came about, the Day of Judgment of the Quran has already come to pass. He Who is the Ruler of the Kingdoms of Earth and Heaven clothes Himself in His Most Great Name Baha’u’llah, Baha’ul-Abha. He has appeared to unite all mankind into One Common Faith, One Universal Cause.
 
Again, How do you suppose Baha’is claim to unite Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Sabeanism all into One Faith?

Baha’u’llah proclaims that the World Ended with His coming. We are no longer living the world that once was, but that this is a New Earth and an New Heaven. The Day of Resurrection that is spoken of in the Bible already came about, the Day of Judgment of the Quran has already come to pass. He Who is the Ruler of the Kingdoms of Earth and Heaven clothes Himself in His Most Great Name Baha’u’llah, Baha’ul-Abha. He has appeared to unite all mankind into One Common Faith, One Universal Cause.
Boom!
 
The Persons of the Trinity are never separate. This is very important when speaking f the Trinity. They are distinct in their relationships but where the Father is, there also is the Son and the Holy Spirit. Where the Son is, there also are the Father and the Holy Spirit. Where the Holy Spirit is, there also are the Father and the Son.

Then Baha’u’llah had no understanding of the Trinity. How can there be one who is beyond God himself; Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

Wow.

Either I have not been clear in my explanation or you have not understood what I have been saying. God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is no other God. There is not the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and some other unseen God. There is only Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
God is invisible. He became visible when he assumed human nature, but in his divinity he is invisible, just as the Father and the Holy Spirit. God is pure divine spirit.

I was not aware that Jesus longed to see anyone. Where do you arrive at that premise?
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God bless
 
Yes. This is very Catholic.

But this is because Catholicism proclaims that there is indeed One Truth, and those who have divorced themselves from this truth must be given the Truth.

Unity is only unity when it is consonant with truth.
👍 thank You

God bless
 
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God bless
Dear John, Perhaps you can help me understand Trinity.

Who is Unseen God?
Is the Body of Jesus in Heaven?
Does the Father have a separate Body in Heaven from Jesus?
What is the God-Substance, is this body-less?
 
Baha’u’llah proclaims that the World Ended with His coming. We are no longer living the world that once was, but that this is a New Earth and an New Heaven. The Day of Resurrection that is spoken of in the Bible already came about, the Day of Judgment of the Quran has already come to pass. He Who is the Ruler of the Kingdoms of Earth and Heaven clothes Himself in His Most Great Name Baha’u’llah, Baha’ul-Abha. He has appeared to unite all mankind into One Common Faith, One Universal Cause.
Oh. Did you know that what you are saying is exactly what happens at the Divine Liturgy? 👍

From the rising of the sun to its setting, this is occurring around our planet at every moment of the day. 🙂
 
Oh. Did you know that what you are saying is exactly what happens at the Divine Liturgy? 👍

From the rising of the sun to its setting, this is occurring around our planet at every moment of the day. 🙂
No! I don’t know anything about this, what is it? So you don’t believe that all humans will one day go to Heaven to be with Jesus and the Father?
 
fathercome, I have a feeling that you could provide an apparition for Catholics proclaiming that “He has come” and still they would proclaim it as false…

I do admire your determination, and I do learn a lot from your posts. Please continue…

When I said I was on the edge of my seat, I meant it, the last two pages was wonderful theatre, and long may it continue, and always remember, God loves laughter!!
 
The Divine Liturgy? This is what it is:

youtube.com/watch?v=CJtRXzyWul8

I don’t know about “all humans”. Those who reject Christ and His Church will not be with Him. Christ is a gentleman and will not force Himself upon the unwilling.
Thank you for the info. Hopefully you too will gain a better understanding of Baha’i belief (it is irrelevant if you believe them or not), as I am learning of Catholic belief. So it seems that you do in fact believe in some kind of an event in the future that enables the Good humans to encounter Jesus and the Father face-to-face.

Baha’is claim such an event came to pass here on earth in Baha’u’llah.
 
Oh. Did you know that what you are saying is exactly what happens at the Divine Liturgy? 👍

From the rising of the sun to its setting, this is occurring around our planet at every moment of the day. 🙂
Also, This seems to be a bit different from the Baha’i belief, and less inclusive than the Baha’i belief, because the Divine Liturgy is Pre-Islamic not post-Islamic. Baha’is believe that Muhammad and the Qur’an are from God. The Divine Liturgy implies that the Qur’an and Muhammad (which came after the Divine Liturgy was already established) are false.

Baha’i even believe in Zoroaster as one sent from God, who is pre-Christian, who I think Christians reject even though the Three Kings were Zoroastrians who came to greet Baby Jesus with gifts. Many of Baha’u’llah’s claims are made directly in the Zoroastrian context, as Zoroastrian scriptures predicted the coming of Jesus and Baha’u’llah.
 
I am still waiting for help understanding Trinity. My questions are still unanswered. Does Father have a body? Only Jesus has a Body in Heaven and no one else has a Body in heaven?
 
So, as you point out Steve here, the resurrection of Jesus gives people validity to “live according to what Jesus taught; loving God with all of our heart, mind and soul, and our neighbor as ourselves…”

To love, to be kind, to be forbearing, generous, truthful, honest, caring, compassionate, determined, reverent, peaceful, just, prayerful. In fact just click on this, and tell me if there is anything on this list that Jesus “did not” ask of us to “do”: virtuesproject.com/virtuesdef.html

If there is anything in that list that is not “Jesus-like” then please tell me.
Servant, there are many who could give us a list of noble virtues to follow. Many of these are self-evident. But Jesus didn’t come to show us how to be nice, upstanding people, rather he came to save us from our sins; to restore the supernatural life which was a part of our original nature in the beginning and which was lost. Our salvation is not a temporal salvation, but a spiritual salvation. Our destiny is to live with God for eternity. We could not accomplish this on our own, even with living the virtues to the best of our ability.

It seems to me that the entire concept of sin, redemption and salvation is absent within the Baha’i faith. Yet this is the central theme of Christianity.
If the resurrection of Christ asks of us to BE as HE was, and manifest the attributes and qualities in that list, then there must be incredible value in being like Him, and having those qualities. For sure, by His grace, we are enabled to reflect these virtues/qualities, but belief in the resurrection of Christ is not an "absolute necessity" for one to be “Christ-like” 🙂

Does that make sense?
If the only point of Jesus coming to earth was to give us a list of virtues to live by and teach us how to be nice, loving people then yes, that would make sense. But God could have accomplished this through any of his prophets. There is only one, however, that could defeat sin and death. The resurrection is the definitive sign that Christ has indeed defeated sin and death and therefore it is Christ, and only Christ, who we should follow.

As St. Paul said, if Christ is not risen then we are to be pitied among all people.
 
The resurrection is the definitive sign that Christ has indeed defeated sin and death and therefore it is Christ, and only Christ, who we should follow.
Do you realize that all religions believe this about themselves in their own terminology? Christianity is not unique in the sense that Muslims, Jews, Sabeans, Zoroastrians, believe the same thing about their own religions, that it is their way that leads to Truth.
 
I am still waiting for help understanding Trinity. My questions are still unanswered. Does Father have a body? Only Jesus has a Body in Heaven and no one else has a Body in heaven?
I thought that I had already addressed these questions, in some detail, fathercome.

God is pure divine spirit and is therefore invisible. Jesus came to earth and assumed human nature. In his humanness he was visible as he had a body of flesh and blood. Jesus now has a glorified body; a spiritual body, capable of being visible or invisible as he wills. We will also have glorified bodies with the same capabilities.
 
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