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PRmerger said:
Because the dogma of the Trinity professes this: there is only 1 God.

It would be polytheism if the dogma of the Trinity said this: there is more than 1 God.

That is the definition of polytheism.

Regardless, since you claim that you love contradictions, why not simply embrace what you view as a contradiction and simply accept the Trinity, with its apparent contradictions to you?

You have said you embrace contradictions. It it appears to you to be contradictory to believe in monotheism and the Trinity, embrace it, fathercome! Embrace it!
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Thanks dear, I do sense love in your message.

But what can I do? I am illogically in love with the person of Baha’u’llah Mirza Husayn-Ali.
 
fathercome said:
A good rule should be that we shouldn’t accuse each other of illogical beliefs, no?
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What a peculiar thing to say coming from a person who claims to be attracted to illogic.

Are these not your words?
fathercome said:
That’s a matter of language and terminology. Since you are adverse to the phase “break in logic”, I would phrase it differently. ** I personally naturally gravitate toward contradictions and breaks in logic. ** But this would be better explained this way without used that phrase:
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So it is quite odd that you would view any kind of reference to your arguments being illogical as an “accusation”.

Rather, wouldn’t you see this as a positive thing, since you embrace illogic?
 
fathercome said:
Thanks dear, I do sense love in your message.

But what can I do? I am illogically in love with the person of Baha’u’llah Mirza Husayn-Ali.
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I propose that you just embrace the apparent inconsistency that you are seeing in the Trinity and just embrace it and become attracted to it.

That’s your philosophy.

And we are done with the topic of the Trinity. You don’t need to understand anything more. Just accept the apparent illogic.
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PRmerger said:
What a peculiar thing to say coming from a person who claims to be attracted to illogic.

Are these not your words?

So it is quite odd that you would view any kind of reference to your arguments being illogical as an “accusation”.

Rather, wouldn’t you see this as a positive thing, since you embrace illogic?
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Come on you can’t be serious. Language is a silly little thing. When I use the word illogical I am using in a positive sense. You are using it in a negative sense.
 
Why can’t we respect each other’s beliefs without looking upon each other in a negative light? If Muslims and Christians could see each other’s Book as having been sent from the same God, we’d be in a much better place. Why is the contradiction of the Trinity acceptable to you, but not the Contradiction between Quran and Bible?
 
fathercome said:
I’m not trying to convert you. I am only trying to convey information. You seem to be offended by what my beliefs are. Please don’t feel that way. I am only desire to be understood.
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What does this have to do with my statement? Trust me, you do not have to worry about me converting, of that I assure you.
 
fathercome said:
If this is True, then Baha’u’llah is the Body of the Father of the Trinity. No one can get to Baha’u’llah except through Jesus.
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Excuse me? The fact that all Christians believe in the Trinity somehow translates into Baha’u’llah being the “Body” of the Father? What does that even mean? Never mind. I don’t need another nonsensical, abstract riddle in place of a coherent, rational discussion. That will be my last statement concerning our discussion of the Trinity.
 
SteveVH said:
What does this have to do with my statement? Trust me, you do not have to worry about me converting, of that I assure you.
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Great! So you must admit that you do see that the contradictions of the Trinity are equivalent to the contradictions between Quran and Bible, and with the contradictions internal to the Bible and Quran itself.
 
SteveVH said:
Excuse me? The fact that all Christians believe in the Trinity somehow translates into Baha’u’llah being the “Body” of the Father? What does that even mean? Never mind. I don’t need another nonsensical, abstract riddle in place of a coherent, rational discussion. That will be my last statement concerning our discussion of the Trinity.
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Are you intentionally refused to acknowledge the claim of Baha’u’llah, regardless of your belief in it? I thought you said I should not worry about you converting?

Why do you continually refuse to simply acknowledge the claim of Baha’u’llah? The Claim of Baha’u’llah is post-Christian, i.e. the claim is made on top of Christianity, not beside it.
 
fathercome said:
Are you intentionally refused to acknowledge the claim of Baha’u’llah, regardless of your belief in it? I thought you said I should not worry about you converting?

Why do you continually refuse to simply acknowledge the claim of Baha’u’llah? The Claim of Baha’u’llah is post-Christian.
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Oh, I certainly acknowledge his claim. But that is all it is; a claim. And it is a false claim. We are not waiting for the Father. We are waiting for the return of Jesus Christ.
 
SteveVH said:
All Christians believe in the Trinity.
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Well after a night of sleep I came back to a marathon on the subject of the Trinity 🙂

What did we achieve? We concluded that Baha’is have a different view of the trinity, was that not the position even before the discussion started? 👍

I did learn a fair bit which promoted me to post this. I see the stumbling block on this being that Christ has Risen with a Physical Body and it was also said so has Mary!

This can bring us to a new topic on re Science and Religion are both truths and must be used to balance our understanding.

Science will one day find a solution re the Spirit aspect of life and then harmony of Science and Religion will become fully realized IMHO

As we currently know what happens to the Physical Body after death, then one can realise how a doctrine that holds on to these bodies having not being decomposed, but floating somewhere waiting to return, might be a bit of a mystery!

So there it is we either allow science to moderate our thoughts and come to another idea, or we bypass that reason and go for the miraculous explanation.

Either way Someone has to change their mind if we want to be unified on this topic. Would that be fair to say?

The Catholics and Christians know their position re this change of mind as do the Baha’is, so in the end it is only when one is thinking of changing their mind that these topics can be discussed, otherwise they are just best left alone.

Can we agree on that 👍 😉

Regards Tony
 
fathercome said:
Great! So you must admit that you do see that the contradictions of the Trinity are equivalent to the contradictions between Quran and Bible, and with the contradictions internal to the Bible and Quran itself.
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There are no contradictions in the doctrine of the Trinity so I admit no such thing.
 
SteveVH said:
Oh, I certainly acknowledge his claim. But that is all it is; a claim. And it is a false claim. We are not waiting for the Father. We are waiting for the return of Jesus Christ.
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Great! So now you see why our Orthodox friend considered our belief as Blasphemous from a Christian perspective, even though within the Baha’i Faith there is nothing blasphemous about the the coming of One who is the Fulfillment of the all the Religions of earth.

Thank you, brother in Christ.
 
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