Removing gay pride flyers?

[eptatorata]

buffalo:

I maintain if the material is offensive it should be removed.

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, eh.

 

[buffalo]

OK! - Let’s see what the Catechism says about scandal -

**2326 **Scandal is a grave offense when by deed or omission it deliberately leads others to sin gravely.

 

[Werner]

buffalo:

OK! - Let’s see what the Catechism says about scandal -

**2326 **Scandal is a grave offense when by deed or omission it deliberately leads others to sin gravely.

OK, let’s see what the Catechism says about steeling or destroying flyers -

**1789 **Some rules apply in every case:

• One may never do evil so that good may result from it;
• the Golden Rule: “Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.”
• charity always proceeds by way of respect for one’s neighbor and his conscience

Werner

 

[buffalo]

Werner:

OK, let’s see what the Catechism says about steeling or destroying flyers -

**1789 **Some rules apply in every case:

• One may never do evil so that good may result from it;
• the Golden Rule: “Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.”
• charity always proceeds by way of respect for one’s neighbor and his conscience

Werner

Once the flyers were put in the public domain it is no longer stealing.

 

[fix]

buffalo:

Once the flyers were put in the public domain it is no longer stealing.

Not to mention “stealing” must be properly understood. To remove things which are harmful to another would not be stealing. These fliers were not taken for personal gain.

In fact, perhaps a case can be made that an unjust law is no law at all and no one is compelled to obey such a law. Any law that says one may pass out material that violates the natural law and incites others to break God’s law is not a law to be followed. I could be wrong and would like to see if anyone agrees with this argument.

 

[Brendan]

There happened to also be Gay Pride Week flyers on the tables with the schedule of their events.

The location of these flyers on the table would lead to the presumtion that they were placed there specifically so that they might be taken by others.

Therefore it cannot be said that they were stolen.

 

[Werner]

fix:

Not to mention “stealing” must be properly understood. To remove things which are harmful to another would not be stealing. These fliers were not taken for personal gain.

In fact, perhaps a case can be made that an unjust law is no law at all and no one is compelled to obey such a law. Any law that says one may pass out material that violates the natural law and incites others to break God’s law is not a law to be followed. I could be wrong and would like to see if anyone agrees with this argument.

Aren’t you the one who is constantly accusing me of relativism?
That much about that.

Werner

 

[fix]

Werner:

Aren’t you the one who is constantly accusing me of relativism?
That much about that.

Werner

How is it relativism? Unjust laws are not to be obeyed. Is a law acceptable that allows immoral things to be distributed? I am questioning.

 

[SusanL]

rpstpa:

SusanL,

Can you be converted to homosexuality? Im curious. Should we let Catholics have their flyers? Snatch them away and hope we can bring them out of Catholicism with love, of course.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean. I realize that you are not able to respond for awhile. (And maybe you are so filled with anger that you will never come back and respond). Perhaps you don’t know what Catholicism is. You have a secular meaning of it. Not all homosexuals are there by birth. Even if they are by birth, they should not act on it. Their soul becomes mortally wounded. By acting with extreme love, we are offering them a chance to live in the eternal world instead of hell.

For the record, rpstpa, I am not against homosexual people. There is a lot more here than you are aware of. No matter what you might think of us, we really do only wish you well, love and happiness. We just see the mortal danger that faces active homosexual people and are trying to save you from it.

 

[cainem]

your girlfriend done the right thing she removed some material that could easily lead some people to expose themselves to that sin, your girlfriend may have to be more discreet had she been caught, gay supporters may have turned nasty, i once tore down racist material when delivering mail on my round and was caught by the 2 thugs who placed it on chinese restaurant, i was just glad community spirit in my area was alive and well a number of residents came to my aid

 

[timmyo]

If these flyers were ment for public consumption, is it wrong for one person to consume all of them? This is a tough one.

 

[Pug]

I’m not trying to divert the thread with this question…I think it is almost the same:

What if you come to your college building for your 9am class and someone has put a copy of a holy book (say the BOM or KJV) on all the classroom podiums, on the desks in the rooms, on the cafeteria tables, on the risers of an entire stairwell (one per stair), etc. The place is coated with books.

Can you take one? Yes, obviously that is what they are for. Can you clean them out of one classroom on the grounds that obviously they were not approved to be put there (This is a college. All flyers must be stamped by “the office of flyer approval” and all flyers must be in approved locations, and not on a “decorative painted wall” or anything, and all flyers must have a “remove by” date on them.) They are a distraction if they are coating a classroom. I think you can get rid of them. They clearly are not like lost property; rather, they have been abandoned.

Can you take the ones off the stair risers? Well, at least the janitor can do that later, surely.

What does anyone think? (this is NOT hypothetical).

 

[Catholic_Dude]

About taking “religious” materials left for “public consumption”, I see Watchtower piles left on desks and tables and I go right up and tear them in half and throw them away in the nearest bin.

The problem that I see on here with some people is that they are seeing this issue as a two way street, when its really a one way street. Those guys will never respect you and sitting around and doing nothing only makes them feel more entitled to what people have to hear and see on buildings.

Also stuff like this:

• One may never do evil so that good may result from it;

• the Golden Rule: “Whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them.”

• charity always proceeds by way of respect for one’s neighbor and his conscience

Where does trash go? In the garbage. It is not “doing evil”.

As for the Golden Rule I would love to follow it, but isnt it kind of fair if they do it as well. Ill start off, I wont subject them to filth if they dont subject me to it?

There are times for charity and times to go through the Temple with a whip and turn over some tables.

 

[fix]

Catholic Dude:

About taking “religious” materials left for “public consumption”, I see Watchtower piles left on desks and tables and I go right up and tear them in half and throw them away in the nearest bin.

The problem that I see on here with some people is that they are seeing this issue as a two way street, when its really a one way street. Those guys will never respect you and sitting around and doing nothing only makes them feel more entitled to what people have to hear and see on buildings.

Also stuff like this:
Where does trash go? In the garbage. It is not “doing evil”.

As for the Golden Rule I would love to follow it, but isnt it kind of fair if they do it as well. Ill start off, I wont subject them to filth if they dont subject me to it?

There are times for charity and times to go through the Temple with a whip and turn over some tables.

Yes, charity has nothing to do with closing one’s eyes to evil things.

 

[KBarn]

When people place fliars in public areas, they relinquish property rights. The fliars are meant to be taken by people. It just so happens that they were taken by people unsympathatic to their sinful position.

The golden rule says to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Disposing of information that promotes a sinful lifestyle is an act of charity. I would hope that other people would help me in avoiding occasions of sin.

 

[SusanL]

KBarn:

When people place fliars in public areas, they relinquish property rights. The fliars are meant to be taken by people. It just so happens that they were taken by people unsympathatic to their sinful position.

The golden rule says to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Disposing of information that promotes a sinful lifestyle is an act of charity. I would hope that other people would help me in avoiding occasions of sin.

Now here is an interesting thought. Very tough moral dilemna. This may be a case for a good spiritual advisor.

 

[SusanL]

Genesis315:

Yeah, she actually went to ask a priest today so I figured I’d post it here and see what ya’ll thought. She’s the kind who really wants to do all she can.

You never told us what the priest said. Did he say it was ok or not?

 

[Genesis315]

SusanL:

You never told us what the priest said. Did he say it was ok or not?

She’s going to ask when she goes to confession Saturday. I’m on the edge of my seat too

 

[SusanL]

Genesis315:

She’s going to ask when she goes to confession Saturday. I’m on the edge of my seat too

Have her tell him that he’s got “thousands” on this forum on the edge of their seats, too.

(No pressure at all… )

 

[UKcatholicGuy]

Genesis,

your girlfriend did the right thing. abortion is a “right” in this country. this country has lost sight of what a right is. you are not bound to obey the law in regards to allowing a moral evil. take em down, wherever you see em, take em down! think if your son or daughter saw that! i bet all the people on this forum who think it was wrong to remove them would not think it’s wrong if there were pictures mocking Christ or Mary, or depciting hardcore porn hanging up. grow a backbone, people. Genesis, send your girlfriend my sincere thanks for standing up for truth and possibly saving a soul from being led astray. As for the ones who think the posters should be left up, please re-commit your lives to Jesus Christ. bye