Renewing religious life

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TrueLight actually looks impressive at the end of that list. It gives the list of signatories an ethereal conclusion, which is much more spiritual than a court and a chapter.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
Yes, I think so too. 🙂
 
Very much so. Do not confuse contemplative with enclosed. They’re not the same thing. An enclosed religious is called to solitude and silence, because that’s the only way that he can contemplate.

However, it would be foolhardy to say that it’s the only way to contemplate or that only enclosed religious contemplate.

What Francis introduced into the Church was the monastery without the enclosure. We are not be enaged in corporate apostolic work and we were not until the bloody 1800s when we became slaves to parishes. Thank God those days are over and we’re back again to being contemplatives without an enclosure.

Our life is to be men of prayer who are itinerant.
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From the Constitutions of the FFV

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Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV :)**

Wow, your constitutions are very specific about prayer and sacraments, Br. JR compared to ours.
 
Wow, your constitutions are very specific about prayer and sacraments, Br. JR compared to ours.
Very interesting point. Often someone reads about an order and gets all excited, not realizing the lay or third order is not the same thing as it is for secular folk.
 
Very interesting point. Often someone reads about an order and gets all excited, not realizing the lay or third order is not the same thing as it is for secular folk.
No, actually our constitutions were just approved in 2000, and we’ve talked in here before how they seem to be almost corporate in nature…and this really emphasizes that point. It’s a problem. We have a lot of business structure, but some of the rest has been difficult for the SFO to get to. There seem to be a certain number of misconceptions about what it is to be Franciscan.

PS, TrueLight, I’m not sure I understand your comment. Can you re-phrase it for me please? Thanks.
 
In the OFM’s it is left to Provincial and House Chapters to describe the exact format of the prayer life, since each locality/environment may have different needs, skills, personnel etc.
 
In the OFM’s it is left to Provincial and House Chapters to describe the exact format of the prayer life, since each locality/environment may have different needs, skills, personnel etc.
That’s one reason why there are new and smaller communities coming out of the three branches of the OFM family. They have grown so large and become so dispersed, that it’s humanly impossible to keep uniformity. You have to allow for diversity, even though they do keep the liturgical life pretty consistent around the world.

The first generation of Franciscans was very homogeneous in its life of prayer. The rule is very specific on what to pray, how to pray it and when to pray it. The community was also very small. There were only 5,000 when Francis died as opposed to 1.7 million today.

Instead of having different paradigms within the same large order, the friars are returning to our roots, by having smaller communities with one common paradigm for each of those obediences.

That’s how the Franciscans of the Renewal, Franciscans of Peace, Franciscans of the Eternal Word, Franciscans of Life, Franciscans the Eucharist, Franciscans of the Primitive Observance, Franciscans of the Holy Family, Franciscans of Charity, Franciscan Brothers Minor, and Little Brothers of St. Francis have come to be in the USA, just during the last 25 years. These communities are thriving. But they don’t count us, because we’re no longer in the big leagues so they don’t know that we exist and often we don’t get into the Kennedy Directory until a few years after we start out. The Kennedy Directory is the resource that they use for their stats.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Bro JR do all these small groups (or your group in particular), feel part of the Franciscan family, or do you feel Franciscan by way of the Rule and the way of life (poor with the poor for instance)?

Also do you follow the TOR, or the first Rule?

This explosion of smaller groups is also similar to the history of the Franciscans after the death of Francis and the institutionalization of the Order, and the desire of some to get back to the original charism of Francis.

Some fell into heresy (and were suppressed), some were reabsorbed, some became other branches on the Franciscan tree (like the Capuchins and the Recollects, and Third Order Regulars).
 
I left something for you folks in Post 571. I thought it was a more appropriate place.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
That’s one reason why there are new and smaller communities coming out of the three branches of the OFM family. They have grown so large and become so dispersed, that it’s humanly impossible to keep uniformity. You have to allow for diversity, even though they do keep the liturgical life pretty consistent around the world.

The first generation of Franciscans was very homogeneous in its life of prayer. The rule is very specific on what to pray, how to pray it and when to pray it. The community was also very small. There were only 5,000 when Francis died as opposed to 1.7 million today.

Instead of having different paradigms within the same large order, the friars are returning to our roots, by having smaller communities with one common paradigm for each of those obediences.

That’s how the Franciscans of the Renewal, Franciscans of Peace, Franciscans of the Eternal Word, Franciscans of Life, Franciscans the Eucharist, Franciscans of the Primitive Observance, Franciscans of the Holy Family, Franciscans of Charity, Franciscan Brothers Minor, and Little Brothers of St. Francis have come to be in the USA, just during the last 25 years. These communities are thriving. But they don’t count us, because we’re no longer in the big leagues so they don’t know that we exist and often we don’t get into the Kennedy Directory until a few years after we start out. The Kennedy Directory is the resource that they use for their stats.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
Okay, that could be one probable reason for it. There are so many Secular Franciscans and the life of an older American member could be so much different from the life of a single member in Africa or a married member in Asia. So it’s meant to be general, with specifics coming further on down the line. Ah.

But then, some of the most specific things we have about prayer and so on are in the Rule (1978). And everyone uses that. So…🤷
 
That’s one of the things about the SFO–you get out of it what you put into it in a big way, I think. You really have to work at it because as many of us as there are, a lot of this is not very accessible with materials from the SFO. Maybe it will be one day, but it isn’t now.
 
Bro JR do all these small groups (or your group in particular), feel part of the Franciscan family, or do you feel Franciscan by way of the Rule and the way of life (poor with the poor for instance)?

Also do you follow the TOR, or the first Rule?
We very much a part of the Franciscan family. Allow me to show you how so.

Each of these smaller communities was founded by a professed member of one the larger orders or several professed members. Therefore, Franciscan Succession has not been severed.

To be a canonically erected Franciscan community, you must come from one of the existing community. In other words, you must be a branch from the tree.

Francis wrote four rules:

Rule of the Friars Minor

Rule for Hermits

Rule for the Brothers and Sisters of Penance

and the Rule of the Poor Sisters, which Clare eventually finished.

The Rule for the Brothers and Sisters of Penance was written in 1221, actually two years earlier than the final draft of the Rule of the Friars Minor, which was written in 1223.

Less than 10 years after Francis’ death, Brothers of Penance (Tertiaries) began to live the vowed life in community, but stuck to their rule. That’s how the third order of Francis split into two groups, the regulars and the secular. The regular were call thus, because they lived in a vowed community, while the secular lived at home with their family. But their rule was the same. The regular wrote a constitution to fill in the gaps not covered in the rule, such as day to day community life.

After a few centuries, there are many other groups of regulars who follow either the Rule of Penance or the Rule of the Friars Minor.

The Rule of the Friars Minor has never been touched by the Church. There is a seal on it that prohibits any changes. What friars have done is written statutes in form of a constitution to speak to realities that did not exist in Francis’ time and that he never foresaw.

Those realities are going to differ from place and time. That the constitutions can be changed accordingly, while the original rule must be observed as it is.

The same is not true of the Rule of Penance. There was a papal seal put on it by Pope Honorius III. However, four popes have broken the seal and edited the rule, the last time being in 1978. At that time, it was edited so that the regulars (religious) and seculars each had an edition of the rule suited for them.

The problem was that the original rule of 1221 was paraphrased. When we paraphrase, things get lost.

My community follow the Rule of Penance, but not the revised rule of 1978. We received permission to follow the original rule written by Francis in 1221. Our constitution tries to fill in for those situations that Francis never foresaw in 1221, without contradicting what is in the original. So when the original says that the brothers shall pray these hours of the office, the constitution copies it exactly as it’s in the rule. When the constitution speaks about the poor, it says nothing about the culture of death. This was an unknown to Francis. We have added a chapter on the Gospel of Life that guides us in serving a specific segment of the poor in today’s society. That’s how we came to have the original third order rule, known as the Rule of Penance.

How do we remain part of the Franciscan family? As I said, you must be founded by one or several who are already Franciscans. I made my vows as a Capuchin Franciscan and my two co-founders were Secular Franciscans. When we got together, we never thought of founding a new branch of the order. We simply wanted to do something for the unborn and his parents. God had other plans.

In our ministry to parents in crisis pregnancies, we encountered many immigrant poor who are alone and feel desperate, because they’re facing a pregnancy that they can’t afford. They usually unemployed or very poorly paid. They often feel that they have only one choice, to abort. Returning home with another child is economic suicide. Remaining in the USA in their current economic conditions with another child seems overwhelming. So we became involved with this population as well.
 
We became involved with the chronically and terminally ill threatened by euthanasia. This was one of those situations where God brings good out of evil. My brother-in-law and my sister’s doctors murdered her. She had been sick for 18 months with a brain tumor. Everyone knew that nothing could be done to save her. She was in a lot of pain and had to be kept sedated.

The decided that this was not a “quality of life.” They removed her food, water and antibiotics to accelerate her death and in their words, to let her die with dignity. I tried to fight it in court and lost. The spouse and the physicians have the last word.

One night, my cell went off. It was my sister calling me from her hospital. She was crying. Her words were, “Jay help me. I don’t want to die.” Unfortunately, there was no one to witness this conversation. The judge said that I did not have a case. I stood by and watched my sister disappear before my eyes. She lasted 45 days. On the last day, my son was with her. She opened her eyes, called my son’s name and died in his arms.

Long story short (too late) my son had an inheritance from my wife who had died when he was four. It was in trust for him until he graduated from college. Upon graduation, he called me to ask for his money. I signed the documents and gave him a lot of money.

One day, he came to our community house and asked me if i was going to do something for the sick as well as the unborn and the immigrant poor. I said that we would like to, but there were only a few of us and we had no money or place to go. My time away from my order was running out and I would soon have to go back.

About two weeks later, he called me to visit a house he had liked. We went. I saw it with him. It was a modest home in a rather interesting neighborhood. It was not one where I would expect him to want to live, but it was his money. I thought a house was better than loose women and booze. Not that I have ever seen him involved with either. The house is not in a slum, but it is a predominantly immigrant poor neighborhood. My son is not immigrant or poor. He has a lot of money in his pocket, plus he comes from an English and Jewish background.

The house was in excellent shape and the neighbors were lovely people and the complex was clean. I gave him my blessing.

A month passed and he called me again to go with him to the closing of the house. I did. He asked to me meet him at the house with my Secular Franciscan friends as he called them. We arrived and he said, “If I give you this house, will you stay and fight for the people like my auntie?” He dearly loved his auntie. Since his mother’s accidental death, he had filled in that role from the time he was 4 until he was 22. I explained that we wee not allowed to own property. He said, “I’m not giving it to you. It’s mine, but it’s paid for in full. Your rent will be the maintenance and taxes. And I will give you a lease that says that the brothers can live here as long as they work for the voiceless.” That’s how we discovered the term “voiceless.”

Not wanting to discourage his kindness, I said to him, “The Lord will speak through the Church.” I went to see the Archbishop and in three months time, we had his blessing to move into the house. Then came the next blessing, permission to become autonomous and remain in the diocese with the freedom to exercise our apostolate on behalf of the voiceless and to do penance in atonement for the culture of death. That’s how we choice to go with the Rule of Penance instead of the Rule of the Friars Minor.

God put laid it all out. Without him who is everything, I who am no one can do nothing…

That’s how I went from being a simple friar to a superior general. In three years, we have grown from three to 27. We’re very much part of the Franciscan family with all of the rights and privileges that come from Franciscan Succession.

There you have it, God chooses the fool.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Brother: Thanks for taking the time to share (or rather witness) God’s grace.

God certainly works through the cracks!

After leaving religious life and then getting married my wife and I were blessed with a son with down syndrome. He has taught me much about living my faith! He continues to inspire me. So do my other kids, but his struggle just top be adds a further dimension, and God shine through the cracks in his life.

I am so glad that God was able to act through the suffering of your sister and that your vocation was able to come to fruition.

God put the fool in charge, but sometimes the fool has the last laugh;)👍
 
Brother: Thanks for taking the time to share (or rather witness) God’s grace.

God certainly works through the cracks!

After leaving religious life and then getting married my wife and I were blessed with a son with down syndrome. He has taught me much about living my faith! He continues to inspire me. So do my other kids, but his struggle just top be adds a further dimension, and God shine through the cracks in his life.

I am so glad that God was able to act through the suffering of your sister and that your vocation was able to come to fruition.

God put the fool in charge, but sometimes the fool has the last laugh;)👍
God’s grace does work through the cracks. It’s really interesting. My wife died and I was a widower with a 9 yr old daughter and 4 yr old son.

When my youngest entered college, I entered religious life. I distributed our assets between the two kids (adults). To me, they’ll always be kids.

Then the situation with my sister.

What I never expected was to stay and start a new community with two SFOs. I was going to be here for a while working in pro-life ministry and returned.

My son really taught me to be a better Franciscan. He took his money and poured it into a house that he’s not going to live in, just so that there would be a home for the Franciscans of Life. I, a Franciscan, was taught detachment by my son. How is that for irony?

Through all of this, I feel blessed. Somehow God brought good out of evil. Instead of one angry and rebellious young man, my son is a generous and hard working young man. The srapes and cuts that life has dealt him, seem to have enlarged his heart rather than harden it.

Which convinces me even more that “Vita ad vitam vocat.” (Life calls out to life.). God who is Life can bring life out of tragedy.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
Your son sounds like a fine man, and a credit to you and his mother.

I have to go to bed!

Night all!
 
God’s grace does work through the cracks. It’s really interesting. My wife died and I was a widower with a 9 yr old daughter and 4 yr old son.

When my youngest entered college, I entered religious life. I distributed our assets between the two kids (adults). To me, they’ll always be kids.

Then the situation with my sister.

What I never expected was to stay and start a new community with two SFOs. I was going to be here for a while working in pro-life ministry and returned.

My son really taught me to be a better Franciscan. He took his money and poured it into a house that he’s not going to live in, just so that there would be a home for the Franciscans of Life. I, a Franciscan, was taught detachment by my son. How is that for irony?

Through all of this, I feel blessed. Somehow God brought good out of evil. Instead of one angry and rebellious young man, my son is a generous and hard working young man. The srapes and cuts that life has dealt him, seem to have enlarged his heart rather than harden it.

Which convinces me even more that “Vita ad vitam vocat.” (Life calls out to life.). God who is Life can bring life out of tragedy.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
Raising good kids is tough under the best conditions. You have a very fine and understanding son, one with a heart for good.

I still call my children kids too, even though they’re in their 30s. They’ll always be my kids.
 
Okay, now that was weird. This thread just split right in half and I found myself on the other side like the Twilight Zone. :eek:
 
Maybe I should ask this as a separate thread…but I’m here, so here it goes: Can anyone point me to resources explaing religious orders, their similarity, uniqueness, etc. I know nothing about the distinctions, or even the basics. But I found this thread very interesting. Thanks, and God Bless!

Moto
 
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