Rep. Foley Molested by a "clergyman"

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People of the lie!!!
The difference between illness and evil is the cover up!
Mr. Foley needs to go to jail if any of these males were under age.
Never mind the victim game or excuses…he knew that this is a crime, deceitful to others and a total contradiction to what he professed to believe in terms of protecting children from internet predators and so on!!
He was educated enough to seek help for his demons but made a choice not to do so.
Many people who have been molested do not molest others…forget the victim and alcohol excuses.
This is a sickness and an evil in our day that is becoming more and more prevalent. There is a reason for this and it is right in front of our noses but we continue to deal with symptoms rather than cause.
He is definitely supposed to be a Catholic but there is far worse than this news on Mr. Foley still to come in terms of our Catholic Church.
The Lord is indeed close and he is doing a huge house cleaning.
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Catherine_S said:
People of the lie!!!
The difference between illness and evil is the cover up!
Mr. Foley needs to go to jail if any of these males were under age.
Never mind the victim game or excuses…he knew that this is a crime, deceitful to others and a total contradiction to what he professed to believe in terms of protecting children from internet predators and so on!!
He was educated enough to seek help for his demons but made a choice not to do so.
Many people who have been molested do not molest others…forget the victim and alcohol excuses.
This is a sickness and an evil in our day that is becoming more and more prevalent. There is a reason for this and it is right in front of our noses but we continue to deal with symptoms rather than cause.
He is definitely supposed to be a Catholic but there is far worse than this news on Mr. Foley still to come in terms of our Catholic Church.
The Lord is indeed close and he is doing a huge house cleaning.
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I agree. It was almost as if he planned his “excuse”, to so quickly say, in essence, “But, I’m an alcoholic who was abused by a member of the clergy.” Sorry. No go.

You said the reason is right under our noses. I was curious to see exactly what you mean by this. My opinion? The totally selfish society we live in, perpetuated by the devil, who is loving all this.
 
4HisChurch said:
I agree. It was almost as if he planned his “excuse”, to so quickly say, in essence, “But, I’m an alcoholic who was abused by a member of the clergy.” Sorry. No go.

You said the reason is right under our noses. I was curious to see exactly what you mean by this. My opinion? The totally selfish society we live in, perpetuated by the devil, who is loving all this.
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Evil is very real!
Psychology is a tool for the mind and the ego but the soul is God’s domain and only **He can bestow forgiveness, relieve guilt **or **shame **and **bring about healing. Repent…**change your life around and he promises to be with us.
Psychology ( on the whole) sees nothing as sin and does not take a moral stand and as far as I am concerned (at this point) it is the cause of much that we see happening because it does not understand the spiritual aspect of our lives and it has become in many ways a real tool of the devil.
Listening to TV this evening regarding Mr. Foley and basicly what one hears from many is " this is really a moral and ethical matter" no kidding! Look around in the western world and does it look as if we are a moral and ethical people. Are we much better as a people because of all the psychology in are lives. It has it’s place but it will not cure what we are up against in our day.

We are going to see more and more things happening like the murders of all these darling little Amish girls with people asking “what could have happened…this is not the man that we all knew”.
He said in his letter that he had molested family members (3 and 4 years of age) and that he hated God because he had lost a baby shortly after birth so why would he want to kill these innocent little ones?
I heard a psychologist say that if he had had someone to talk this all out with he could have been helped but that is not what he really needed…**he needed to accept responsibility for these molestations and forgiveness. **Sin unconfessed has built in consequences whether we believe it or not and we must own it or it will fester and come out eventually. He also mentioned that he had been dreaming that he wanted to do this again (molestations).
Mr. Roberts took his own self hate and projected it onto these little girls…the devil turned it all to his work. What a terrible terrible shame.
We need to see evil as very real…it does exist… it is always at work… it is covert and where it is… there is always a lie…for the devil is indeed the father of lies.
We need to pray daily for decernment.
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My reaction when I heard this earlier was “Yeah - sure you were.”

Personally - I don’t believe he has ever been molested. In my opinion - he is looking for an excuse the public can sympathize with.

I understand that many are questioning his claim of alcoholism.
 
Catherine, I believe that psychology can be used for good. But, good psychology can help people to come to terms with what they did, take responsibility, and try to make ammends. Unfortunately, much of psychology that is out there just tries to place the blame elsewhere.

I do think if this man had reached out for the appropriate help, he may not have done what he did. Is he to blame for it? Absolutely.
 
Saint_Michael said:
I’m not trying to take anyone anywhere, I’m reporting on a major story in the Catholic news section. Mark Foley was raised Roman Catholic, I never said it was a Catholic priest, but from the information provided I asked whether anyone thinks it isn’t.

You are much more guilty of slander in this thread than I.

Now back to the story and topic please.
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Saint_Michael,

I think the more relevant point about this so called claim that Foley was molested as a teenager is his lawer. His lawer knows full well how to protect his client and divert as much attention off of him as possible. If I may offer a word of advice to you.

Try not to judge the Church based on human error. Error will always exist and some errors will be totally insane. Try judging the Church on the God that founded it and except that there is always someone in it who is making a mistake.

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Caesar said:
To me it appears that Saint_Michael has made it his duty to constantly bring up this subject to make the point that he just left the Church because of the sex abuse scandal.

A little bitter perhaps?
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I think Saint Michael needs to go back and read the forum rules.
 
DavidGonzalez said:
Ceasar’s right.
Not only are you planning to leave the Church, but you’re also actively trying to take everyone along with you.
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I can see that he is a St Michael who won’t protect us in battle.

Perhaps a name change to reflect your fallen status would be in order St Mike.

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Saint_Michael said:
He is a Catholic and was molested by a clergyman, come on! You know as well as I do how this is going to turn out and why it’s on the front page.
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Maybe he was a convert through marriage. If the clergyman was a priest, I believe the media would have said so. He also said he was gay. It seems that his memory has returned all of a sudden, (as so many do) when he is confronted with a problem, and has to find some quick excuses to explain himself.
 
The guy is a duplicitous coward, and why should we believe him? He has actually done a two pronged maneuver to avoid responsibility, as he will blame his alcoholism AND the Church for what he did. He also probably used his Catholicism to get votes in the past, but now it will be used to get him off the hook.

The alcohol bit is an old maneuver. When Michael Deaver was called to testify on the Iran-Contra business, he actually testified under oath that he couldn’t remember what he might have done, as he was always too drunk. This from a President’s Chief of Staff, and he got away with it. There are plenty of other instances also.
 
4HisChurch said:
Catherine, I believe that psychology can be used for good. But, good psychology can help people to come to terms with what they did, take responsibility, and try to make ammends. Unfortunately, much of psychology that is out there just tries to place the blame elsewhere.

I do think if this man had reached out for the appropriate help, he may not have done what he did. Is he to blame for it? Absolutely.
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I certainly agree with you on good psychology :yup:. thank you for sharing.
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Science has not superseded religion, and it is my expectation that it never will supersede it…Science has also begun to find out how to cure psychic sickness. So far, however, science has shown no signs that it is going to be able to cope with man’s most serious problems. It has not been able to do anything to cure man of his sinfulness and his sense of insecurity, or to avert the painfulness of failure and the dread of death. Above all, it has not helped him to break out of the prison of his inborn self-centeredness into communion or** union with some reality that is greater, more important, more valuable, and more lasting than the individual himself.**
All the great historic philosophies and religions have been concerned, first and formost, with the over coming of egocentricity. **All of them are addressing themselves primarily to the human psyche or soul; **thay are trying to persuade it to overcome its own self centeredness and they are offering it the means for achieving this. They all find the same remedy. They teach that egocentricity can be conquered by love.
Selfishness, narcissisism, pride, and other terms have also been used. But neither the clergy nor the behavioral scientists, including psychiatrists, have made it an issue. The popular leaning is away from notions of guilt and morality. Some politicians, groping for a word, have chanced on the misnomer, permissiveness. Their thinking is muddy but their meaning is clear. Disease and treatment have been the watchwords of the day and little is said about selfishness or guilt or the" morality gap". And certainly no one talks about sin!!
Dr. Karl Menninger
Menninger Foundation
Aged comment but still an eyeopener!
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davy39 said:
Maybe he was a convert through marriage. If the clergyman was a priest, I believe the media would have said so. He also said he was gay. It seems that his memory has returned all of a sudden, (as so many do) when he is confronted with a problem, and has to find some quick excuses to explain himself.
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These are my thoughts to a tee…the Media would have most definately reported the abuse of a Catholic priest…they use the word clergyman for protestant ministers.
 
If Foley would be kind enough to name the priest he was molested by and show proof, then we can believe him, but not use that as an excuse for his actions. Is it possible that he just suddenly remembered this abuse? There are other high-ranking politicians who claim to be Catholic but act against the teachings of the church, this is just another. We need to remember them in our prayers.

Love and peace,
Mom of 5
 
Lillith said:
These are my thoughts to a tee…the Media would have most definately reported the abuse of a Catholic priest…they use the word clergyman for protestant ministers.
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Just from the report is states:

“Though the attorney would not provide the religious affiliation of the clergyman who allegedly molested Foley, Foley lists his religion as Catholic, according to a congressional directory.”

They got that Foley was raised Catholic off his biography. Ohh trust me the media is chomping at the bit to get verification it was a Catholic priest. But Foley is not saying as of yet.
 
Saint_Michael said:
Just from the report is states:

“Though the attorney would not provide the religious affiliation of the clergyman who allegedly molested Foley, Foley lists his religion as Catholic, according to a congressional directory.”

They got that Foley was raised Catholic off his biography. Ohh trust me** the media is chomping at the bit to get verification it was a Catholic priest.** But Foley is not saying as of yet.
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The media are not the only ones!
I do not believe that Mr. Foley will name anyone :nope: !
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Saint_Michael said:
Just from the report is states:
“Though the attorney would not provide the religious affiliation of the clergyman who allegedly molested Foley, Foley lists his religion as Catholic, according to a congressional directory.”
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When I heard that Foley claimed he was molested by a clergyman, I said to myself please, please, please, don’t let it be a priest. But then I wondered what religion he was and thought, “well they did say clergyman, so maybe a minister”
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No surprise that the media is trying to link Foley’s behavior to the Catholic church scandal.

What burns me is that the scandal has been front page for so long now, what is Foley’s excuse for not having come out with the charge of having been molested before having been busted?!

Why wasn’t Foley among the list of people suing dioceses, parishes, priests? I know there have been extended offers by various groups encouraging any victims out there to come forward…but Foley is absent from that…

I suspect it was not a Catholic priest.

All I can hope for now is that Foley face charges for what he did and that he gets convicted. I don’t care if he goes to a plush prison, I just don’t want his record to remain unblemished after such behavior.

Yes, the guy is troubled. The guy needs our prayers, but he also needs to face real legal consequences for the breach of trust. None of this ‘rehab’, ‘lost career’, ‘humiliation’ is enough…it’s not enough.
 
YinYangMom said:
No surprise that the media is trying to link Foley’s behavior to the Catholic church scandal.

What burns me is that the scandal has been front page for so long now, what is Foley’s excuse for not having come out with the charge of having been molested before having been busted?!

Why wasn’t Foley among the list of people suing dioceses, parishes, priests? I know there have been extended offers by various groups encouraging any victims out there to come forward…but Foley is absent from that…

I suspect it was not a Catholic priest.

All I can hope for now is that Foley face charges for what he did and that he gets convicted. I don’t care if he goes to a plush prison, I just don’t want his record to remain unblemished after such behavior.

Yes, the guy is troubled. The guy needs our prayers, but he also needs to face real legal consequences for the breach of trust. None of this ‘rehab’, ‘lost career’, ‘humiliation’ is enough…it’s not enough.
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It’s a political game… If the center of attention is on you, you try and deflect it… Pick something else that the media would rather go for.
Asked why Foley waited to divulge the alleged molestation, Roth replied, “Shame.”
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Seems more like convience…
 
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