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bones_IV
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You might want to rethink what you said here.
catholicleague.org/06press_releases/quarter%204/061004_Mark_Foley.htm
“We already knew that Mark Foley claims he’s an alcoholic who suffers from mental illness, and yesterday his lawyer told us what everyone in Washington already knew—Foley is gay.”
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Eireann
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I’ve been observing your posts, they have mostly been derogatory against the Catholic Church, the Bible quotes are the words of Jesus, if you have a problem with them, take them up with Jesus, it’s just that they fit you perfectly.
So if you move on to another Church and they have the same issues, where will you go ? because I can post up plenty in other churches, (and have done) where sex abuse has taken place.
If you come on here attacking the Church and wearing the name of the Greatest defender of God, then expect to be attacked.
This is an open forum.
Thats another part of your problem, IT IS NOT MAN MADE, it was (the Church) set upon the Rock by none other than Jesus Himself, and that is why although the mighty waves of the media try to pull it down, under the direction of satan, that it will never be destroyed.
**Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray;
and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host -
by the Divine Power of God -
cast into hell, satan and all the evil spirits,
who roam throughout the world seeking the ruin of souls. **
Amen.
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BrickCityIrish
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Not according to a priest I went to for confession, I told him my concerns in the confessional and he said the Church is just a man made institution, work on getting closer to God without worrying about the Church. Best advice I ever got.
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BrickCityIrish
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The words of Jesus have everything to do with the Gospel, and nothing to do with a Church. The Church wasn’t even instituted yet. No rational person can think the passage you quoted have anything to do with a Church and not the Gospel.
Jesus is Lord I can’t say that without the Holy Spirit revealing it, I have not lost my faith in the Gospel of Christ, just a man made institution that hinders me, and has caused me great pain.
My posts are not attacking the Church. My posts are dealing with doubts, if you can’t read them, the ignore list is a click away I suggest you use it.
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fix
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Really? So, you think Christ founded a book and not a Church? How do you prove that?
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BrickCityIrish
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That’s not what I said, I’m not going to get into petty back and forth, it’s not my style, I find it pointless, I either dialogue with people who want to, or ignore those that don’t.
I’m am not going to tear down the Catholic Church, it was a personal decision. To say because I left an institution that I am damned and lost the Gospel is ridiculous. It’s my personal decision and I’ll leave it at that.
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fix
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I simply asked for a justification for what you said? I agree it is off topic so I drop it.
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lrs
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Dear St Michael, alias Brickcity Irish
You play a very important role here. There is a divine reason you are on this Catholic Forum, not only are you examining your own faith beliefs but causing others to examine their own
In 1994, I was baptized by full immersion and became part of the the Catholic church. The church is made up of a community of believers. Trust me, I defend constantly the church to family and friends who are not Catholic and can not understand why stay with a church that systematically hid or denied sexual abuse of children. It is so sad.
Having said that, I will never give up on this church and this is the reason why: There is far far more good done in the Name of Catholicism, than not. I am telling you straight up, Satan infiltrated the church. We, including these priests, are sinners. The Jewish people wandered in the desert for 40 years, perhaps we lacked in faith during these years of not acknowledging or addressing this sexual abuse. We Catholics let it happen. But, We, as Catholics, embrace fervently the power of the salvation offered to us by God thru Jesus. Please visit websites about Catholic Christian Missionaries to the poor, How about Mother Theresa. How about Catholic Social Services. How about our committment to Life at every level. How about ordinary Lay people who reach out to those in need at a very real level. How about the awesome priests who serve as the vehicle in which the Grace of God can be felt. Priests who celebrate Life thru the Sacraments. Priests who are with the families as they are burying the Dead. Priests who pray diligently every day for their parishoners to be strengthened by the love of Christ.
Peter is the Rock upon which this church was built. Do not forget that Peter denied the Lord 3 times.
WE ARE ALL ABOUT FORGIVENESS, AND THAT IS WHERE THE MERCY AND LOVE OF GOD UNITES US. PLEASE DON’T FORGET IT AND DON’T GIVE UP ON THIS CHURCH.
Peace, Hope, and Prayers,
Lisa
You play a very important role here. There is a divine reason you are on this Catholic Forum, not only are you examining your own faith beliefs but causing others to examine their own
In 1994, I was baptized by full immersion and became part of the the Catholic church. The church is made up of a community of believers. Trust me, I defend constantly the church to family and friends who are not Catholic and can not understand why stay with a church that systematically hid or denied sexual abuse of children. It is so sad.
Having said that, I will never give up on this church and this is the reason why: There is far far more good done in the Name of Catholicism, than not. I am telling you straight up, Satan infiltrated the church. We, including these priests, are sinners. The Jewish people wandered in the desert for 40 years, perhaps we lacked in faith during these years of not acknowledging or addressing this sexual abuse. We Catholics let it happen. But, We, as Catholics, embrace fervently the power of the salvation offered to us by God thru Jesus. Please visit websites about Catholic Christian Missionaries to the poor, How about Mother Theresa. How about Catholic Social Services. How about our committment to Life at every level. How about ordinary Lay people who reach out to those in need at a very real level. How about the awesome priests who serve as the vehicle in which the Grace of God can be felt. Priests who celebrate Life thru the Sacraments. Priests who are with the families as they are burying the Dead. Priests who pray diligently every day for their parishoners to be strengthened by the love of Christ.
Peter is the Rock upon which this church was built. Do not forget that Peter denied the Lord 3 times.
WE ARE ALL ABOUT FORGIVENESS, AND THAT IS WHERE THE MERCY AND LOVE OF GOD UNITES US. PLEASE DON’T FORGET IT AND DON’T GIVE UP ON THIS CHURCH.
Peace, Hope, and Prayers,
Lisa
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Caesar
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So, is Mr. Brickcity a fundamentalist now- Christ founded a book, not a Church?
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CathCentrist
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It was the booze! It was a priest! It was a twister! It was a tornado! Its not my fault!!! 
I am no way even close to being a defender of my Church when it comes to the sex scandals and her crime in covering it all up - but I refuse to by this at all. No pass Foley. Its too convienient and smacks of a lie to me
And I have since wiped Catholic League clear from my list of places to go to since Bill Donohue basically blamed the 15 year old boy for this cause in Bills words “what 15 year old wouldnt stop such an advance” The man is officially an apologist for the Churchs scandals in my opinion
I am no way even close to being a defender of my Church when it comes to the sex scandals and her crime in covering it all up - but I refuse to by this at all. No pass Foley. Its too convienient and smacks of a lie to me
And I have since wiped Catholic League clear from my list of places to go to since Bill Donohue basically blamed the 15 year old boy for this cause in Bills words “what 15 year old wouldnt stop such an advance” The man is officially an apologist for the Churchs scandals in my opinion
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Eireann
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Bad advice, the Priest is wrong, when doctors differ, patients die.
What the priest has advised you to do, amounts to having a lukewarm faith, and if the writings of Saint Faustina are to be believed, Jesus warns about that too.
And if you are the same person then don’t jump to conclusions, I wasn’t judging you, I was merely pointing you to the warnings of Christ.
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estesbob
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I had a similar experience. went to a Baptist minister and he told me all of Protestantism was a joke-that it was a man made . feel good religion but he stuck with it because the money was good and he could preach without being celibate. told me that if I really wanted to be in union with God’s Church to stick with Catholicism. Best advice I ever got.
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DavidGonzalez
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Dear BrickCityIrish/St_Michael,
Sorry for going a bit off topic, but I’m just curious.
Why are there exactly 27 books in the NT?
Why is the Gospel of Mathew canonical but the Gospel of Thomas is not?
Why isn’t the Letter of Barnabas part of the NT? Why isn’t the letter of Clement part of the NT?
Who argued that the Book of Revelations should be conisdered scriptural, even though there was great opposition? (cough! Augustine)
Which organization made all of these decisions?
Sorry for going a bit off topic, but I’m just curious.
Why are there exactly 27 books in the NT?
Why is the Gospel of Mathew canonical but the Gospel of Thomas is not?
Why isn’t the Letter of Barnabas part of the NT? Why isn’t the letter of Clement part of the NT?
Who argued that the Book of Revelations should be conisdered scriptural, even though there was great opposition? (cough! Augustine)
Which organization made all of these decisions?
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BrickCityIrish
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I’m not an anti-Catholic guy…
You’re barking up the wrong tree, I spent years defending the Church, but I just can’t anymore. It’s a personal decision I’ve seen too many problems with integrity, too many issues of apparent doctrinal change, and too much stuff I can no longer agree with, mainly Mary as co-redemptrix and mediatrix of all graces, as well as other stuff, but what set it off was a certain document that I felt was the catalyst for the priesthood scandal.
Anyway, I’m not an anti-Catholic so no need to ask me these things.
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lrs
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What?!
The priesthood scandal?
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The pedophile men who served as priests?
What is this document?
The priesthood scandal?
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The pedophile men who served as priests?
What is this document?
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estesbob
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Does that mean you cant answer them? Perhaos the Priest who heard your confession can.
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Caesar
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1962 document from the Holy Office of the Roman Inquisition. In a highly biased report from the BBC, they used it (combined with another document on the seal of confession) to “prove” that not only did the Holy See order cover-up the abuse, they supported it.
Saint_Michael, or I’m sorry Brickcityirish, suddenly shrugged off his Catholic faith the other day after reading this document.
I like what pnewton had to say on it:
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iserve
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Ha! It really does go both ways.
Of course those who go over to the other side cannot concieve of it.I see this whole issue as a matter of great sin, particularly the sin of perverse and unacceptable sexual desires and actions. Our Church, country and neighborhoods are all fallen prey to it, and everywhere we look, we can see the evidence of the destruction it brings. Having worked for the Church in Boston, I know what it was like watching the storm approach and then explode overhead, breaking the hearts of many who loved and trusted the Church. But those of us who saw it coming felt as if it were like a cancer desperately in need of surgery, and though the body may suffer greatly from the treatment, the alternative is far worse.
God bless Catholics who accept this time of vulnerability and humility as they place their hopes in recovery and restoration. It just has to happen, whether weaker members choose to leave or not, that the whole body might be saved.
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lrs
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Very well said!
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