Report: Fitness Center Bans Woman For Refusing To Share Locker Room With Transgender Man

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Bruised_Reed said:
Also, most of the articles refer to a transman. Transwoman is correct in this case. If an article can’t even be bothered to get this right why do you think anything else they write is correct?
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I’m confused. So ‘transwoman’ indicates a person born male who is transitioning to female?
 
Bruised_Reed said:
Certainly.But it is if one person’s behavior is contrary to the center’s policies.

I googled this several ways. I got two pages of results pointing to this and everyone of them is Christian or conservative and also, fringe. Lifesite News was the original source for many which is telling.
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Someone wronging you is no reason to follow them into the parking lot, or doing the other stuff as described as being verifiable in the article.

There’s something wrong in the whole situation.
 
dochawk said:
This sounds tongue in cheek, but the conversation about dressing rooms and locker rooms really needs to be turned to protecting vago-americans from penile-americans (ugh, what wretched terms
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Are these terms really in general use!? Good grief. My isolation from popular culture must be more complete than I had imagined. The sooner I become a desert hermit, the better!
 
Kris34 said:
There are usually family bathrooms at these kind of places. With completely lockable shower rooms and completely lockable toilets. One would think a person not fully in transition would use these spaces? Or the person upset about who is in the men’s or women’s locker room?
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The fitness center I use missed the opportunity to do this when they first renovated; it was in a completely different building so there was opportunity. The women’s and men’s locker rooms are on opposite ends and are very different. I haven’t seen them, but when they reno’d again they posted the final floor plan with indoor track and kids’ fitness areas. The men’s locker room space is small and appeared to consist of two large-ish rooms with shower and restroom facilities. The women’s locker room area is huge and has a shower room with 7 stalls (including one accessible stall), and in the same space 4 sinks and a huge vanity area with mirrors. Before you get two this space are two locker areas with 3 separate and lockable accessible restrooms. I would say that about half of the locker area goes unused. It could have easily been split and a family bathroom area added, especially if the kids’ area was already planned.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
Also, most of the articles refer to a transman. Transwoman is correct in this case. If an article can’t even be bothered to get this right why do you think anything else they write is correct?
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These terms are constantly changing you know. And they don’t change everywhere at the same time.

Cut them a little bit of a break. 40 years, no one would have recognized what a “transman” is, not even the original transman out there, Christine Jorgensen or Myra Breckenridge as portrayed by Raquel Welch.

Back in the day, folks with this situation were called "transexuals.
 
People who are trans* don’t think of themselves as being born one way and then becoming another and they use “assigned” to note what gender they/ or their parents’ rather, were told they were at birth.
 
Augustinian said:
These terms are constantly changing you know. And they don’t change everywhere at the same time.
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Yeah, but these haven’t changed or flipped. People get them wrong a lot but that’s no excuse.
Cut them a little bit of a break. 40 years, no one would have recognized what a “transman” is, not even the original transman out there, Christine Jorgensen or Myra Breckenridge as portrayed by Raquel Welch.
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It’s hard to talk about things when there aren’t words for things. There are now so let’s use them. Or don’t talk about it.
Augustinian said:
Back in the day, folks with this situation were called "transexuals.
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And now that we have more precise language let’s use it.
 
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That one is from 2016 and hasn’t even been updated with this last “report.”
 
I really doubt that matters. The fact that the story has already circulated once - regardless of when - shows it’s assuredly of questionable veracity.
 
It’s the lesbians who are going to go to war. Already I’ve seen a great deal of anger and annoyance towards transgender women because lesbians are being told they have to consider a transgender woman as a sexual partner, have to accept transgender women into their support groups, have to accept transgender women in their activities… and many lesbian women are pretty upset because they want male free zones and see this as another way men are forcing themselves into their safe spaces.

The more radical the demands become, the more frustrated that aspect of the LGBT community is getting.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
People who are trans* don’t think of themselves as being born one way and then becoming another and they use “assigned” to note what gender they/ or their parents’ rather, were told they were at birth.
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Thanks for explaining! So from this I gather that I can continue to use ‘born male’ or ‘born female’ for non-trans-persons, and would use ‘assigned male’ or ‘assigned female’ for transpersons?
 
I don’t feel the need to say that I was born female or need to know another cis-gender person was; it’s simpler for people who are cis-gender. People who are trans-gender often have to clarify things so they have need to specify the gender assigned at birth.
 
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