Report: Fitness Center Bans Woman For Refusing To Share Locker Room With Transgender Man

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Interesting. I suppose that goes to show we need to pay attention to the ways our language develops. If it reaches the point where we have to choose other terms, then we can do so.

I know most of the autism stuff I read uses the term “neurotypical” rather than “normal.” And I suppose that is more descriptive anyway. But in casual conversation, most people would have no idea what I was talking about. 😜
 
They could have done nothing, let their policy from 2010 remain in effect, annoyed a few transgender folks, and kept marching along doing business profitably.

Instead, they inserted themselves in this mess, and in trying to serve to masters, will likely pay for it dearly.
 
Agreed!

In the past several years, well-intentioned tweaks of language have often had unintended consequences. I can’t help noticing that the current, lamentable high-handedness with which an increasing number of restaurant patrons treats their wait staff roughly coincides with the (no doubt well-meaning) change of the terms ‘waiter/waitress’ to the non-gender-specific ‘server’, a term which has the potential to recall the word ‘servant’ in the minds of persons inclined to haughty and imperious behavior toward those whom they perceive to be their inferiors. I don’t say that one caused the other, but it is certainly a strange and timely coincidence.

I also find it fascinating that the phrases ‘passed away’ and ‘passed on’, both of which are considered polite euphemisms for ‘died’, came directly out of the Spiritualist occult movement in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries. I have even been able to trace the provenance of ‘passed away’, through its use in the libretto of Mozart’s opera The Magic Flute, directly back to the occult rituals of the Freemasons. I wonder how many devout Catholics would still use these phrases did they realise whence they originate. Myself, I avoid them like the plague, and stick with good old ‘dead/died/dying’.
 
That’s the thing… I personally hate ‘group’ bathrooms. I think they open women and children up to attack. But I have a friend who was raped in a bathroom as a child so I tend to look at these things differently.

Personally I will only use private bathrooms that don’t have multiple stalls and/or people in them.
 
The article in the OP does footnote this incident from Michigan. So it appears to acknowledge that this is a separate story from the one that Snopes has investigated.

It would certainly be helpful to find other sources beyond ones depending on LifeSiteNews, though.
 
That’s terrible! I’ve always been uncomfortable in these types of places just because I don’t like to undress around others. But I never really imagined it as a place where people would be attacked.

I wouldn’t be disappointed to see private bathrooms become the norm in the wake of these types of stories.
 
When everyone was fussing over transgenders in bathrooms my thought was: I think they’re the least of our concerns.

Honestly I’ve always been an advocate for private bathrooms only. I realize it’s not always plausible but I think it would be better all around.
 
Joe_5859 said:
That’s terrible! I’ve always been uncomfortable in these types of places just because I don’t like to undress around others. But I never really imagined it as a place where people would be attacked.

I wouldn’t be disappointed to see private bathrooms become the norm in the wake of these types of stories.
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Life in the ‘civilised’ West certainly seems to be getting less civilised daily. I saw a news story online in which a homeowner in Florida shot and killed a young man caught in the act of burglarising her home. In an interview, the dead man’s mother and sister actually maintained that people raised in ‘the hood’(their term), due to lack of job opportunity, should be allowed to burglarise homes as a legitimate method of obtaining money! With this sort of thinking on the rise, is it any wonder that bathroom and locker room attacks are becoming more prevalent?
 
This gets confusing.
A trans man is a biological female who identifies as a man. A female-to-male transsexual.
A transwoman is a biological male who identifies as a woman. A male to female transsexual.

I recall a 60 Minutes piece about a person born female and who was number one on a college womans swim team. But she identified as a man, went through top surgery but not lower surgery (i.e. had her breasts removed but kept her reproductive organs), came out as male and joined the men’s swim team, where she was lower ranked. The interviewer asked if she intended to complete the transition by having the ‘lower’ surgery. She said no, because she might someday want to bear a child!
 
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The interviewer asked if she intended to complete the transition by having the ‘lower’ surgery. She said no, because she might someday want to bear a child!
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Good Lord. Sometimes I feel like a stranger in a strange land. I can’t be the only one who often yearns for the security and straightforward quality of life in the Victorian era. I realise it wasn’t perfect, but at least a man was a man and a woman was a woman.
 
I’m not European and you certainly have experience than I have.
My comment is based on what I have read so it could be wrong.
But please clarify this for me: I read that for example in most German spas you are expected to be nude and this is a mixed area. And I read that culture is such that no one blinks an eye about this it is just the norm and children too are raised in this culture. These spas are family friendly and promotes wellness and is part of the health of German culture. The Dutch is sort of similar as well. Now I haven’t been to one so is this true?
 
Zach said:
How about just drop cisgender and make the distinction between man and transgender man.
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Zach said:
How is it denying transgender their humanity by making the the distinction between man and transgender man and dropping cisgender? Transgender man is still a human term right?
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This won’t be true in every circumstance (I don’t think), and the context I’m considering is one that in which we are discussing issues related to people who are trans* but then also mention people who are cis-gender. If you refer to “men” I will “hear” you refer to all men, including transmen. Men = all men; cis* and trans* are the distinction.
I know this sounds strange if it’s unfamiliar territory. I have friends who are trans and I use and hear the language often. I don’t want to be the one to aggravate their dysphoria. Maybe you don’t care if you do; many people on this forum don’t.

The good news: The majority of the time no distinction needs to be made.
 
Just a friendly note to those who won’t read the whole thread: The incident referred to in the OP has been reported only on Christian and conservative sites. It has not been reported on MSN or LGBT sites, and most notably, a local news site. It’s fake news. It’s fear mongering. There are plenty of incidents involving women and girls taking pictures of others in same-sex locker rooms (just Google…). Trans* people are not the ones you have to worry about.
 
I can see why mainstream news sites won’t report this. Is there any actual proof that it is fake?
 
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The last gym I belonged to had not only private showers, but a private changing stall attached. This was in the mens locker room. Loved it. No private parts no nuthin!
 
Pup7 said:
I hope the ACLU gets hold of this and PF gets the tar sued out of them. I completely think they deserve it.
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Forgive me if I dare to doubt the ACLU will be riding to her rescue.
 
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Interesting article - transgender woman in British prison sexually assaults four female inmates

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www.spectator.co.uk
 
“Cis” is just the opposite of “trans” eg. Cisalpine Gaul vs. Transalpine Gaul.
 
kill051 said:
Are these terms really in general use!? Good grief.
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I haven 't heard those particular ones in uses, but I do recall Santa Cruz replacing the city Christmas tree with a “peace tree” for “the men and gyno-americans.”

The point is that terms are needed to make it an anatomical rather than “gender” distinction.

Of course, given that ninny that “identifies as black” and so forth, others could “identify” as pterodactyls with wings, I suppose . . .

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