Report: "Pro-lifers Fear 'Hard-Core Pro-Abortion' Forces in a Biden Administration."

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That’s the speech you’ll see coming in the next, oh, decade.
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Luckily the same Constitution that protects the right to bear arms protects freedom of religion.

If you think tax exempt status is going to be taken away you aren’t reading the audience correctly.
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The same constitution that’s designed to protect the life and welfare of every human being? That constitution? Tax exempt status will be a small gnat on a bull’s rear end.
 
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The same constitution that’s designed to protect the life and welfare of every human being?
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I think this is a veiled reference to abortion. I am pro-life, but I don’t think any federal court has found that life begins before birth.

But, I do agree that the Constitution is designed to protect the life and welfare of all, even those you don’t politically agree with.
 
PaulinVA said:
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The same constitution that’s designed to protect the life and welfare of every human being?
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I think this is a veiled reference to abortion. I am pro-life, but I don’t think any federal court has found that life begins before birth.

But, I do agree that the Constitution is designed to protect the life and welfare of all, even those you don’t politically agree with.
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Yes, and that illustrates the fact that tax exempt status is nowhere near a sacred constitutional protection.
 
PaulinVA said:
I think this is a veiled reference to abortion. I am pro-life, but I don’t think any federal court has found that life begins before birth.
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Obviously, courts either have no knowledge of embryology or simply ignore it if they think that nobody was alive before birth.
 
I have no doubt that the incoming administration will take a hard line pro-abortion stand. Every Democratic administration seems to be more extremely pro-abortion than the last.
As for Joe Biden, everyone knows he is pro-abortion. Everyone knows he is Catholic. It is a contradiction in terms.
 
JimG said:
As for Joe Biden, everyone knows he is pro-abortion. Everyone knows he is Catholic. It is a contradiction in terms.
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B-b-but he’s a Catholic in good standing! The Church hasn’t excommunicated him! 2 + 2 can equal 5!
 
goout said:
Yes, and that illustrates the fact that tax exempt status is nowhere near a sacred constitutional protection.
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No it isn’t. BUT, try to take tax exempt status away from religious institutions only and they will scream bloody murder. Trying to take it away from all non-profits would be a non starter.
 
From the article:

“I don’t intend to get involved in the recommending any candidate for office, but simply to state that a Catholic may not support abortion in any shape or form, because it is one of the most grievous sins against human life, and has always been considered to be intrinsically evil,” Burke said in a section on the website titled “Conversations with Cardinal Burke.”
 
Cardinal Burke currently does not have any authority over a diocese or group afaik. His statements are therefore his personal opinion, and not any sort of official diocese or church position. This has nothing to do with whether I like Cardinal Burke; I don’t agree with him on everything, but I like some things he does and I participate in his spiritual bouquet when I see the annual ads for it.

As I said, Joe Biden’s bishop is Bishop Malooly. Bishop Malooly and the Pope are the only bishops with authority to declare Biden not in good standing. When and if Biden moves to the White House, Archbishop - now or soon to be Cardinal - Gregory of DC might also have authority.

Other bishops in USA are free to decide whether or not to refuse Communion to Biden if he tries to receive in their diocese. Other than that, they cannot declare him not in good standing.
 
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As president, will Biden attend Mass on Sundays as JFK did? Will he receive communion?
I suppose that he will get along fine with the USCCB.
 
The Code of Canon Law is clear that a person conscious of mortal sin may only receive the Eucharist under grave circumstances:

" A person who is conscious of grave sin is not to celebrate Mass or receive the body of the Lord without previous sacramental confession unless there is a grave reason and there is no opportunity to confess; in this case the person is to remember the obligation to make an act of perfect contrition which includes the resolution of confessing as soon as possible."(CIC 916)

So does Biden confess his mortal sin of promoting abortion every time he goes to mass? I think not.
 
JimG said:
As president, will Biden attend Mass on Sundays as JFK did? Will he receive communion?
I suppose that he will get along fine with the USCCB.
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I mean this with respect for our episcopacy personally, but the USCCB is becoming increasingly irrelevant as a body representative of radical Christianity, as it blends in with the culture.
 
He attended Mass as VP so he’ll probably attend Mass as President too.
It might not be public Mass due to security concerns having increased greatly since Kennedy was in office.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he just had Mass in the White House most Sundays and allowed staff or guests to attend. It would also provide him with more privacy for worship.
 
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I don’t feel it’s prudent to respond to people who think they know about or can judge the confessions of others. We don’t do that as Catholics. Have a nice day.
 
Bishop Malooly does not indicate that Biden is a Catholic in good standing. He simply calls on us to pray for Biden and hope – both of which I do. I have no idea where Biden stands in his relationship with God. I am simply judging his mortal sin of condoning abortion. However, I do pray for him and hope for the best.
 
We are Catholics, we belong to the Communion of Saints, all Catholics, no exceptions. Energy wasted in determining which of us is a sinner is futile. That energy is better spent on praying for all of us, including the worst sinner amongst us, to know and keep to the will of God.

The Blessed Mother appeared at Fatima along with angels who taught us a prayer to include with every decade of the Rosary.
O My Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell and lead all souls to Heaven, especially those who are in most need of Thy mercy.

Jesus in the First Century A.D. said
John 8:7

7When they continued to question Him, He straightened up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to cast a stone at her.”

We are in danger of becoming that group of men and women willing to cast stones outward instead of turning inward to examine our own earthly sinfulness.

We are all sinners. No exceptions.
Imagine the power of prayer on seeking intercession for God to turn a will to His ways.
 
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No one needs to determine who is a sinner. For participation in civil society, we only need to know what policies our leaders support, and whether they are good polcies or not.
 
JimG said:
No one needs to determine who is a sinner. For participation in civil society, we only need to know what policies our leaders support, and whether they are good polcies or not.
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This does not render Catholics helpless, nor does this render the power of prayer helpless.
JimG said:
As president, will Biden attend Mass on Sundays
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The President-Elect attends Mass now on a regular basis. The media is already using this attendance as a great photo op.
 
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This does not render Catholics helpless, nor does this render the power of prayer helpless.
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No argument on that. The power of prayer is certain. Prayer is a necessity. For civic life, knowing who supports what and acting on our own beliefs is necessary.
 
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