Reports of Pell guilty verdict emerge, despite gag order

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Cardinal Pell convicted of sexual abuse in Australia

Cardinal George Pell has been convicted by an Australian court on charges of sexual abuse of minors, according to media reports and CNA sources close to the cardinal.
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Looks like he was convicted after all. Reports have just emerged that he was removed from the Pope’s C9 council (along with a couple of others) back in October as well.
 
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The lawyer of Cardinal Pell says that the allegations are a product of fantasy.
 
Did a search for Pell info on this forum. This is all I found. Ugh
 
Not surprised. Anyone know if he plans to appeal?

I agree with the WaPo’s assessment of suppression orders as archaic when anybody can go on the internet and read it in the newspaper of another country. And in this case, they undoubtedly will all do just that, so the jury pools are going to know all about it. And frankly, when someone, anyone, is convicted of something, anything, then it should be a matter of open public record unless the record is expunged or perhaps if the person is a juvenile (I’m on the fence about that).
 
There is a suppression order out until after another trial. it is quite interesting how the media is not reporting this here 🙂 said no one ever…
 
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I will hold my opinions on this until all the facts are out, if they come out. But my gut feeling is something smells rotten.
 
In other news from Australia, an archbishop who had been convicted has now been acquitted on appeal. Will anybody notice? See here.
 
Yes, the ArchBishop of Adelaide appealed and was acquitted. And yes it has been noticed quite a deal in my country. People ARE noticing and following here. Its huge in the media.
Will it be noticed globally? Does it require to be? Interesting question.

Our legal system is very different to that of many other countries. I am not sure what comparisons can be made. Except to say that this ArchBishop won’t be the last to be charged with what he was charged with.
Will it set a precedent? And if so, in what countries or regions?

Dmorgan we are praying for all involved, And for the health of the public identity through this.
 
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There’s no need for a gag order, especially AFTER the verdict has been rendered. Also, sunlight is the best disinfectant - the public should know the whole truth.
 
There is another trial pending. Any publication of the details of the now concluded first trial would potentially affect the running and outcome of the second trial.

So yes there is need for a suppression order in Victoria. As noted already, we have no details of the trial, the charges, what was dropped, what was upheld, what the guilty counts were for.
All we know is that the first jury could not come to agreement, a second jury was convened.

So basically we only know what we already knew, a high profile figure was going to trial on some type of unspecified historic sex abuse charges, and he was (only according to leaked reports) found guilty on 5 of those charges.

we know there is a second trial pending.
 
A cardinal should never be in a situation like this. Either he is innocent, then the guilty verdict is a huge mistake. Or he is guilty, then the consequences are even worse! Then it symbolizes corruption of Christian values at the very top of my church. How should I feel?
 
Um, do any CAF members wish to compare the Cardinal Pell case to the Bill Cosby case? It seems to me that both men were convicted under questionable circumstances.
 
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We don’t even know any details of what Cardinal Pell was convicted of, only some vague reference to choir boys and a pool or something.

What do you find similar? Cosby ended up with some pretty damning evidence against him if I recall correctly, though I can’t remember which piece of the case that was.
 
I actually meant the verdict.

I am shocked. Cardinal Pell from all appearances was a holy man. And if you’ve read my posts about the abuse crisis you know I am all for zero tolerance and transparency. This surely is not transparent, and I wonder if he wasn’t being used as a scapegoat.
 
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I am shocked. Cardinal Pell from all appearances was a holy man. And if you’ve read my posts about the abuse crisis you know I am all for zero tolerance and transparency. This surely is not transparent, and I wonder if he wasn’t being used as a scapegoat.
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I wonder too. Sad to say but I don’t trust the secular courts and media to be fair when it comes to Christianity. If he is guilty, so be it. I still don’t trust the secular elite and I want to see the evidence.
 
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I wonder if he wasn’t being used as a scapegoat.
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This is like the Pacific model of attack against our leaders. If you have an issue with a bishop, archbishop, cardinal and you cannot force your will on him in some church matter, then pull out the sexual abuse card! This hasn’t only happened in Australia, it also happened at another Pacific Ocean archdiocese in Guam.

Archbishop Apuron was accused by many things for years by a group of politically organized fundamentalists maintaining an attack blog site for this particular purpose. Every single step of their strategy can be traced back by their own words on that blog! After years of futile attempts to depose him, they pulled out the sexual abuse card.
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Guam Archbishop appeals verdict Catholic News
If you follow the news, you may recall that here was a canonical trial against Archbishop Anthony Sablan Apuron that had been appealed. Pope Francis told the media recently that he will make a decision in the case: “I took it upon myself and I made a commission of canonists to help me,” Francis explained, adding: “It is a complicated case on one hand, but also not difficult because the evidence is very clear.” “But I cannot prejudge,” he said. “I’ll wait for the information, and then I will…
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Now, the case of the Archbishop of Guam is pending on appeal of verdict of the first ever canonical trial that was conducted by the Catholic Church! The appeal will be decided by Pope Francis very soon.
 
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