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Robert_Sock
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I think they go hand in hand. The technology is handed down through an upper world.
REPOST: Is there another world that guides and controls our world?
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atheistgirl
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They’re all there.
Check United States Patent US3716086 for example.
Includes illustrations.
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davidv
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Where in the passage is there anything said about an upper world? What is this upper world? How do you know it exists?
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Robert_Sock
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Do you believe in angels? Do you believe in Heaven? Do you believe in the Divine? These are the upper worlds.
An upper world is implicit in the passage. Where is the knowledge stored from age to age? Must be an upper world of some sort.
How the upper world imparts this knowledge, and to whom, I do not know. But I know for certain that we do not have the innate wit to have brought our world to where it is today over the past 150 years.
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Cristiano
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How do you know for certain?
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Robert_Sock
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I used to build specialized machines, and I got to know the designer. In short, the machines we built were very simple machines that would take about a year to design and another year to make. Ask the designer about a modern machine to mass produce some simple thing like toothpicks, and he would just shake his head. Where are these complex machines produced, nobody knows, but not in the machine building shop where I ounce worked.How do you know for certain?
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vsedriver
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this is all contradiction. In the first sentence you admit building specialized machines which involved a designer. Next you say the designer admitted he couldn’t make a machine to make toothpicks. Maybe he was just a bad designer.
What complex machines are you talking about? There isn’t a single machine running today that you can’t trace it’s design and manufacturer down.
I’ve still waiting for you to show evidence of an other world that guides and controls our world. Even if you accept the existence of supernatural beings you still have to present evidence that they interact with us.
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Robert_Sock
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The patent US3716086 does not relate to the actual design of the machine that produces toothpicks, which is what I’m getting at.
They’re all there.
Check United States Patent US3716086 for example.
Includes illustrations.
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Robert_Sock
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Maybe he was just a bad designer, but he would certainly be aware of the building of more complex machines if they were being produced.
Please trace down the designer and manufacturer for the modern toothpick making machine.
Again, do you believe in angels and other higher-ordered spiritual beings? If so, we are in agreement, but if you want me to prove it, well, that’s certainly beyond any of us to do.
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atheistgirl
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How about you go talk to a manufacturer, designer, engineer in real life instead of asking questions on a forum to mostly non engineers and manufacturers.
I had a machine designed from zero to do a particular job in a particular way.
Easy.
I can’t understand your bafflement at this.
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Someone did. Otherwise we would have a mass shortage of toothpicks.
And a mass epidemic of food caught between teeth.
Perhaps this lack of an infection source is why the 7 billion and counting has not crashed.
Of course, when one really looks at many processes (including toothpick manufacture) it often comes down to a few simply steps repeated in the right order.
Ask any programmer. The most complicated of software is really just a series of small and simple steps. Mechanics is similar.
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vsedriver
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this statement makes no sense.
I don’t need to. Someone has already done that in a previous post.
yes, I believe in angels. I do not believe that they are controlling or influencing modern technology.
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Bobby_Jim
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I thought I saw this on a Bugs Bunny cartoon once, they put a big log on a giant lathe, spin it up and whittle it down to a single toothpick and a mechanical arm takes it and drops it carefully into a box with all the other ones.
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Robert_Sock
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We’re actually cheating here because somebody already presented a video of the toothpick making process, but still, somebody needs to design the machines, and build each and every unique part that make up these machines, along the toothpicks making process.
Or, perhaps we could move on to something a bit more complex, like computer chips? Can any group of people on this earth design the process and the machinery (including the dies) needed to produce computer chips? How long would it take any group of people to figure this stuff out? Yes, we can build upon previous technologies that share some basic function, but still, all these technologies are rather unique and they all had to be developed in the past 150 years. Imagine the extreme complexity here? Imagine having to re-create the main machines and dies, for each and every new computer chip? Imagine the extreme complexity of having to mass produce the following transistors shown in the thumbnail? Anybody who says this stuff is easy is out of his or her mind!
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Robert_Sock
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You do not believe that God and Satan are directing the thoughts and actions of each and every individual here on this earth? We may choose whether or not to act on a given thought, but God is in charge of supplying the thoughts.
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davidv
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No, I don’t believe this. I believe we have free will and an intellect that is created in God’s image. We share in God’s creative power. We are not directed by Him in the manner you describe.
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Robert_Sock
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So are we to take credit for our ‘achievements?’
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vsedriver
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what do you mean by taking ‘credit’?
If I invent a new design I can take out a patent and put my name on the product. Does that mean I am taking credit for my achievement?
or are you saying that God gives each of us gifts and we can’t take any credit for making good use of those gifts?
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vsedriver
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the flaw in your argument is your assumption that all these technologies are rather unique. That’s what we keep saying isn’t true. These technologies are not unique, they are basic ideas built on each other and refined. All that was required was sufficient materials, time, and effort to develop them.
Your computer is nothing more than a glorified abacus. A little more versatile than an abacus but that was a pleasant side effect.
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vsedriver
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No I do not believe our thoughts and actions are directed. That is against the concept of freewill. God gifts each of us with creativity in varying degrees. And each individual chooses to which degree they act on their gifts.
We are not robots being controlled in a battle by two operators who each have a remote control.
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