REPOST: Is there another world that guides and controls our world?

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Robert_Sock said:
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No, not science-fiction. The need for an upper world, be it angels or God Himself, is evident.
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if it is evident, produce the evidence. Simply saying complexity is evidence isn’t enough.
The naysayers are not in touch with the obvious fact that technology can only be accountable by such an upper world. Our innate wit is indeed puny, and nobody can honestly claim to process this wit for the building of a modern tooth pick making machine, never mind the mass production of computer chips.
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on the contrary, the naysayers are presenting evidence that complex technology is not magic but a natural and logical progression of human knowledge. Our natural world is understandable by the human brain and since we have a God given mandate to use our world it is only logical that we are the ones who understand our own tool making process. Humans are tool making creatures. This is an innate ability of all humanity.

The inspiration is from God but the rest is just plain old human curiosity, sweat, and time.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Now try developing a process, and designing the machinery, to mass produce your little calculator. It gets difficult!
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so it is difficult. Building the pyramids is difficult. difficulty doesn’t make it supernatural.
 
vsedriver said:
you have no evidence that angels are more intelligent than humans. The only evidence we have of angels is that some obeyed God and some did not. And that they act as servants/messengers to God.
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In the bible the woman praised David’s intelligence to that of an angel because she could not find an hearthly comparison. Peter Kreeft has a nice talk about angels based on the Angelic Doctor views.
 
vsedriver said:
you have no evidence that angels are more intelligent than humans. The only evidence we have of angels is that some obeyed God and some did not. And that they act as servants/messengers to God.
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Angels are the messengers of God. Whatever the information that God wants to impart to us humans, the angels are bound to carry.
 
If technology does not flow from earthly scientific method, where does technology come from? I do not know! But it does not come from our very limited innate wit. Designing a computer is actually easy compared to designing and building all the machines and apparatuses necessary to build computers! Heck, we do not have the innate wit to manufacture the packaging that the CPUs come in!
 
I would say that whoever first developed the toothpick technology would have needed to have relied on trial and error, and taken far more than a lifetime to perfect. Imagine all the technology that needed to be developed in the past 150 years or so. Trial and error is not allowed when it comes to this type of technology due to time constraints. Things just don’t add up when analyzing this.
 
Who has the innate wit to design this machine? How much trial and error would it take?
 
Bill Gates as of lately has been designing refrigeration systems that can keep vaccines cold for many months at a time to be used in third world countries. He’s also designed portable sinks and toilets that can remain sanitary for great lengths of time. He donates these things to people without running water or electricity.

Bill Gates has an enormously unusual amount of energy. Maybe he was conceived next to a high voltage powerline? 🤷

…I heard he can (and does) read 15 lengthy books from cover to cover every week while still inventing and distributing his “gadgets”.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Who has the innate wit to design this machine? How much trial and error would it take?
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The picture in post 127 is a Six Roll Flexible PVC Sheet Calendering Machine.

Go ahead. Ask my how I know… 😃

You can get one (or two or three) from the Zhangjiagang Jiu Yang Machinery Co. at plastic-extrusionline.com/.

The Zhangjiagang Jiu Yang Machinery Company is owned entirely by the Chinese government. The Chinese government has a lot of people with innate wit. They built the terra-cotta army and the great wall and such things.

Fortune cookies however, remain an enigma.

-Tim-
 
TimothyH said:
The picture in post 127 is a Six Roll Flexible PVC Sheet Calendering Machine.

Go ahead. Ask my how I know… 😃

You can get one (or two or three) from the Zhangjiagang Jiu Yang Machinery Co. at plastic-extrusionline.com/.

The Zhangjiagang Jiu Yang Machinery Company is owned entirely by the Chinese government. The Chinese government has a lot of people with innate wit. They built the terra-cotta army and the great wall and such things.

Fortune cookies however, remain an enigma.

-Tim-
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How long would it take you to design this machine? (And you already saw the machine.) How long would it take a roomful of mechanical engineers? How many trials and errors?
 
Robert_Sock said:
Is there another world that guides and controls our world? From where does technology come? How else could our world grow to over seven billion people without it crashing? Our innate wit is simply too puny to account for all the high tech advances that you see in this world. Heck, please tell me if you have the innate wit to figure out how to mass produce simple boxes of toothpicks? Let me say that none of us have the innate wit to figure out the production process, especially the designing and building of the machinery. Now consider how our technology and world advanced so drastically over the past 150 years. Consider having to design and build the machinery and tooling necessary to mass produce computer chips. Such engineering feats, again, are far, far beyond our puny innate wit. My suggestion to everyone is to be humble, and seek God!

(I’m not in any way trying to infer that aliens have infiltrated the earth, but that, like in Judaism, God created four different worlds, with our world being the absolute lowest. It is these upper worlds that I’m talking about.)
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Hello,

We have rulers over this world.

You’d be surprised to know who they are.

When the Apostles were talking about GLORIFICATION and being co-heris with Christ,
it was not a story.

The Spiritual side is eternal.

Make a search for it.

My best to you.
 
Robert_Sock said:
How long would it take you to design this machine? (And you already saw the machine.) How long would it take a roomful of mechanical engineers? How many trials and errors?
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why don’t you contact the manufacturer and ask them?
 
Robert_Sock said:
The manufacturer probably just builds the machines.
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Robert, everyone solves problems at a different rate. Those who have been gifted with special graces like Bill Gates might be able to have something like that drafted-up in a couple weeks. If that person also has the gift of gab and the gift of multitasking, he might be able to have it built in a matter of 6 months or so I’d think… Assuming he has the money and the connections to make it happen.

…for somebody who isn’t as motivated and lacks energy it might take a lifetime and still remain incomplete.
 
Robert_Sock said:
The manufacturer probably just builds the machines.
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Doesn’t mean they don’t know who designed and invented the machine. Somebody showed up at their door with blueprints.

designers make prototypes, test them, and then contract for a manufacturer to build mass quantities.

complexity is no indication of supernatural origin.

Human beings have an innate wit to make tools. Doesn’t matter how complex the tool. It’s still just a tool.
 
Assumption that just because a machine is built, that the machine must have a human designer. Again, let me see the designer in action. Let me shake the designer’s hand. I spent most of my life searching for these “brainy” people (which included a PhD from UCLA) and I never met anyone who comes close to having the wit necessary to figure these things out.
 
Robert_Sock said:
Assumption that just because a machine is built, that the machine must have a human designer. Again, let me see the designer in action. Let me shake the designer’s hand. I spent most of my life searching for these “brainy” people (which included a PhD from UCLA) and I never met anyone who comes close to having the wit necessary to figure these things out.
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(I’m back) Even if you met the inventor, and he said, “Yes, I invented the toothpick-making machine,” would you believe him? Wouldn’t you just continue to think that God or spirits somehow planted the idea in his head, and he is just taking the credit? Even if you sat down with him while he came up with a new complex invention, wouldn’t you still continue to think that God or spirits are somehow controlling him?
 
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