Republican convention

[CMatt25]

In other words, you have no names. Just as I said, the Democrat party has no bright young leaders with fresh ideas. They have minorities who buy into the decades old welfare spending/identity politics philosophy of the Democrat party - gays, abortion, race baiting and welfare - to go along with the tired old hacks like Biden, Reid and Pelosi. What a party to be proud of.

Ishii

Ishii, tax cuts for the wealthiest, deregulation, cutting social programs and increasing defense are not exactly new Republican ideas.

Anyway not exactly no names Ishii. I have names I’m going to give you though I’m not going to get into further continued debate with you about names beyond this because this whole notion of yours is subjective and any names I give are neither going to meet yours nor this conservative forum’s majority’s definition of leaders. Just as some of the names you gave don’t meet mine. I certainly don’t think it’s a sure thing some of those names you gave with for instance their Tea Party backing can go so far as to be elected POTUS. They may get elected in certain districts or states. Many Republican/Tea Party candidates were elected to Congress in a midterm and Congress isn’t exactly getting rave reviews. This yr Republican Tea Party backed candidates could not even win the Republican nomination for POTUS. Let alone win the WH. And someone like Chris Christie? I know he and your other names may be popular on this forum. But his style at the same time can turn other voters off.

But if you insist on names, Ishii, there are too many within the Democratic Party to list all of them but I’ll give you some names if that will make you happy.

There is a current Sec of St who if she chose to run could be elected POTUS in 2016. There is Deval Patrick, an African American, who like your current RNC nominee did, is serving as governor of Mass. The chair of the DNC is a Jewish female Congresswoman. Serving under President Obama in other Cabinet positions besides Sec of St Clinton has been Sec of Labor Hilda Solis, former AZ governor Janet Napolitano has led Homeland Secuirty, former Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius HHS. And there are many Democratic female Senators. I won’t list all of them either. But to just give you some names. Kirsten Gillibrand, Jeanne Shaheen, Amy Klobuchar. Maria Cantwell, your own Patty Murray. Perhaps further down the road, I’ve been impressed with California’s Attn Gen, Kamala Harris in interviews I’ve seen her do on MSNBC. I could see her having a bright future in national Democratic Party politics if she should so choose to pursue a national career. She happens to be both African American and female.

I’m actually very proud of the work many of these people have done standing up for the less fortunate, for the poor and middle class, for women rights, civil rights, and for the sick who need healthcare for instance.

But as Old Celt said minorities in leadership positions is nothing new for Democrats. And Democrats were already the first to nominate a female for VP of the 2 major parties decades ago. The first to elect an African-American President of the United States.

 

[oldcelt]

But as Old Celt said minorities in leadership positions is nothing new for Democrats. And Democrats were already the first to nominate a female for VP of the 2 major parties decades ago. The first to elect an African-American President of the United States.

CMatt,

Please don’t violate anyone’s fantasy with nasty facts. That would be rude.

John

 

[CMatt25]

CMatt,

Please don’t violate anyone’s fantasy with nasty facts. That would be rude.

John

Sorry John. I should have known better not to let any facts get in the way. Thanks for the correction.

 

[oldcelt]

Sorry John. I didn’t mean for any facts to get in the way.

All is forgiven,

John

 

[_Abyssinia]

Ishii, tax cuts for the wealthiest, deregulation, cutting social programs and increasing defense are not exactly new Republican ideas.

Anyway not exactly no names Ishii. I have names I’m going to give you though I’m not going to get into further continued debate with you about names beyond this because this whole notion of yours is subjective and any names I give are neither going to meet yours nor this conservative forum’s majority’s definition of leaders. Just as some of the names you gave don’t meet mine. I certainly don’t think it’s a sure thing some of those names you gave with for instance their Tea Party backing can go so far as to be elected POTUS. They may get elected in certain districts or states. Many Republican/Tea Party candidates were elected to Congress in a midterm and Congress isn’t exactly getting rave reviews. This yr Republican Tea Party backed candidates could not even win the Republican nomination for POTUS. Let alone win the WH. And someone like Chris Christie? I know he and your other names may be popular on this forum. But his style at the same time can turn other voters off.

But if you insist on names, Ishii, there are too many within the Democratic Party to list all of them but I’ll give you some names if that will make you happy.

There is a current Sec of St who if she chose to run could be elected POTUS in 2016. There is Deval Patrick, an African American, who like your current RNC nominee did, is serving as governor of Mass. The chair of the DNC is a Jewish female Congresswoman. Serving under President Obama in other Cabinet positions besides Sec of St Clinton has been Sec of Labor Hilda Solis, former AZ governor Janet Napolitano has led Homeland Secuirty, former Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius HHS. And there are many Democratic female Senators. I won’t list all of them either. But to just give you some names. Kirsten Gillibrand, Jeanne Shaheen, Amy Klobuchar. Maria Cantwell, your own Patty Murray. Perhaps further down the road, I’ve been impressed with California’s Attn Gen, Kamala Harris in interviews I’ve seen her do on MSNBC. I could see her having a bright future in national Democratic Party politics if she should so choose to pursue a national career. She happens to be both African American and female.

I’m actually very proud of the work many of these people have done standing up for the less fortunate, for the poor and middle class, for women rights, civil rights, and for the sick who need healthcare for instance.

But as Old Celt said minorities in leadership positions is nothing new for Democrats. And Democrats were already the first to nominate a female for VP of the 2 major parties decades ago. The first to elect an African-American President of the United States.

Their were minorities in key positions in the republican party for many years, but it is only recently people have started to notice because there is a different air that the rising stars are bringing and it is not only the fact that many of them are minorities. Michael Steele, Condoleeza Rice etc. Republicans have an advantage in electing Latino politicians over democrats

 

[CMatt25]

I was referring to the tradition, so I’ve heard, that some minorities have of voting on Sundays, their only day off. Maybe this would apply also to working poor Whites. My larger point is that this decision negatively affects the working poor.

That may be part of the Republican plan to get the RNC nominee elected. Make it more difficult for the poor and working poor to vote.

 

[_Abyssinia]

If anyone missed it:

Paul Ryan’s EPIC Speech to the RNC
therightscoop.com/rnc-speech-watch-paul-ryans-epic-speech-to-the-rnc/

Laughing at moments. Clapping the next. Perfect speech. Biden should be worried

College graduates should not have to live out their 20s in their childhood bedrooms, staring up at fading Obama posters and wondering when they can move out and get going with life

__

There are the songs on his iPod, which I’ve heard on the campaign bus and on many hotel elevators. He actually urged me to play some of these songs at campaign rallies. I said, I hope it’s not a deal-breaker Mitt, but my playlist starts with AC/DC, and ends with Zeppelin



Sounded like he was speaking of Obama presidency as if it was in the past

Ryan’s transcript

washingtonpost.com/politics/transcript-of-rep-paul-ryans-remarks-at-the-republican-national-convention/2012/08/29/203ffe10-f24d-11e1-b74c-84ed55e0300b_story.html

Condoleeza Rice’s speech was interesting, especially the part about her growing up in a segregated town and how her mother said she could become president and she became of secretary of state. Governor Susanna Martinez was wonderful

 

[_Abyssinia]

Obama lied about Janesville GM auto plant, not Ryan

twitchy.com/2012/08/30/obama-lied-about-janesville-gm-auto-plant-not-ryan

 

[CMatt25]

As to the polling changes, they don’t have to drive to the poll and stand in line for 5-30 mins (even longer depending on the population and the competency of the poll workers) just to cast their ballot, they can simply mail it in absentee.

Well sure that’s what I sometimes do. But I know people who don’t want to pay extra postage a ballot requires or they want to vote in person and actually deposit or record their vote in person instead of mailing in their ballot. They shouldn’t be forced to have to vote by mail just because they can’t make it to new restricted voting hrs and days. We should be encouraging more Americans to vote and giving them greater opportunity to do so. Not less. The more people who are able to participate and who do so, the better reflection of the will of the American people.

 

[oldcelt]

Obama lied about Janesville GM auto plant, not Ryan

Especially in Janesville where we were about to lose a major factory. A lot of guys I went to high school with worked at that G.M. plant. Right there at that plant, candidate Obama said, “I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another 100 years.”

Can you please explain to me how that statement can later be construed to be a lie? The headline is false and you should pull this highly misleading post.

Did Obama, at any point, say, “I promise you that this plant will not close.” Not according to your own article.

I smell desperation.

John

 

[Pork_Roll]

I don’t get why the republicans try so hard to find “minorities” to promote. Why not just choose the best candidates and not dwell on the accidents of a person but the substance. Condoleezza isn’t even pro-life.

 

[CMatt25]

Republicans have an advantage in electing Latino politicians.

Well Cuban Americans, especially the older generations, have historically voted Republican. But it’s not so much electing Latino politicians that is the story as it is what Latino and Latina voters do. And according to every poll I’ve seen they are just one of the groups within the voting populace with who the RNC nominated Romney - Ryan ticket does not have the advantage.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Well Cuban Americans, especially the older generations, have historically voted Republican. But it’s not so much electing Latino politicians that is the story as it is what Latino and Latina voters do. And according to every poll I’ve seen they are just one of the groups within the voting populace with who the RNC nominated Romney - Ryan ticket does not have the advantage.

Only poll that matters is Nov 6

Susana Martinez in her speech said that she and her husband were democrats but she had lunch with 2 republicans and she was and I am paraphrasing, dreading it. They spoke about issues, not parties, and she came out and said we’re republicans. It is like that for a lot of Black and Latino voters. They are registered democrats, but if you ask many about policies they like you think they would be a republican, but because of family party associations, and scaremongering from the left lying that republicans are racist many are not

 

[_Abyssinia]

Obama lied about Janesville GM auto plant, not Ryan

Can you please explain to me how that statement can later be construed to be a lie? The headline is false and you should pull this highly misleading post.

Did Obama, at any point, say, “I promise you that this plant will not close.” Not according to your own article.

I smell desperation.

John

Washington post, Obama truth team and other liberals are saying Paul Ryan was not telling the truth about the Janseville GM plant closing under Obama, they said it closed under George Bush. Not true, their are news articles saying the plant closed under Obama in 2009

 

[oldcelt]

Do not think you read it. Washington post, Obama truth team and other liberals are saying Paul Ryan was not telling the truth about the GM plant closing under Obama, they said it closed under George Bush. Not true, their are news articles saying the plant closed under Obama in 2009

I read the whole thing…production shut down under Bush…a skeleton crew remained until early 2009.

John

 

[_Abyssinia]

I read the whole thing…production shut down under Bush…a skeleton crew remained until early 2009.

John

How could a skeleton crew fulfil an Isuzu contract which was done in 2009

But) I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this (General Motors) plant will be here for another hundred years

cfr.org/us-election-2008/obamas-speech-janesville-wisconsin/p15492

If that is not a promise what is it?

 

[oldcelt]

How could a skeleton crew fulfil an Isuzu contract which was done in 2009

From your own article:

Before Obama was sworn in, the Janesville plant closed in late 2008, eliminating 6,000 jobs.

By the way, I believe is precisely that…a belief, not a promise.

On a side note, I guess Ryan supported the auto bailout…or is his indignation limited to his home town?

John

 

[_Abyssinia]

From your own article:

By the way, I believe is precisely that…a belief, not a promise.

On a side note, I guess Ryan supported the auto bailout…or is his indignation limited to his home town?

John

It is subjective; promise; pledge; belief. Fact is the plant closed under Obama’s watch not George Bush’s and Obama could of done more to keep his belief, pledge or promise and find a way to stop it from shutting down

 

[oldcelt]

Did Barack Obama break a promise to keep GM plant open?

politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/

Ryan said Obama broke his promise to keep a Wisconsin GM plant from closing. But we don’t see evidence he explicitly made such a promise – and more importantly, the Janesville plant shut down before he took office.

We rate Ryan’s statement False.

abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/paul-ryan-links-obama-policies-to-gm-plant-closed-under-george-w-bush/

The plant Ryan referenced, which he also brought up at an event earlier this month, made its last GM automobile in December 2008 while President George W. Bush was still in office. The announcement to close the Janesville plant came in June of 2008, after then-candidate Obama spoke there, and the initial projected date for its closing was 2010, according to an AP article from the time.
The plant remained open for a few months in 2009 to complete orders on Isuzu vehicles, a company with which GM had a partnership.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Did Barack Obama break a promise to keep GM plant open?

politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/aug/29/paul-ryan/did-barack-obama-break-promise-keep-gm-plant-open/

abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/paul-ryan-links-obama-policies-to-gm-plant-closed-under-george-w-bush/

Politfact claimed abortion would not be funded in ObamaTax when that is inaccurate because Hyde amendment only applies to funds set apart through the appropriations bill that funds the Department of Health and Human Services. No funds that would be expended by ObamaTax, and no funds that will subsidize the buying of private insurance plans will go through the HHS appropriations bills

Janeseville plant was operating in June 2009 and had enough employees to fulfil a contract. Thinking about what you said previously, what Obama said to the Janeville employees was not a belief

'(But) I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this (General Motors) plant will be here for another hundred years

That is a commitment, not a belief that he hopes the plant will be their in 100 years, he said the government would support the plant, and it did not under his presidency