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CaptFun said:
Colossal! Stupendous! Laughed at your take on the "obligatory up-from-poverty my Dad was an immigrant " speeches. Gasped at the litany of social atrocities fired in broadside.
One of the most astounding sustained assaults on the left since Rush Limbaugh aired
“the poem” back in 1991 (BEFORE the “other Bush” took office).

I will have to re-read this. As a sometimes reluctant Republican (I prefer conservative - though when times are sane and not so unbalanced - everything doesn’t HAVE to be local, and Government helping the helpless and truly needy is OK with oversight) I have some of the same critiques of “my party” (by default). 😉

The “poem” - (a dizzying display of political images) reminded me of your take just now.

groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/iJStSXra7Rs
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Wow, I really don’t know what to say other than I am highly honored to be compared with Rush Limbaugh…El Rushbo. Thank you CaptFun. 🙂

Maybe I should go into broadcasting 😃
 
Here are my thoughts on Romney and the convention as a whole

Romney is now pivoting to the general election. The people he has to convince to vote for him are the Independents who tend to be more moderate.
  1. He has been too stiff in the past, so he has to seem more human. I think this was accomplished.
  2. He had to try to turn his religion into an asset rather than a liability. I don’t know if that was accomplished, but they sure tried.
  3. He had to sound like a moderate, and I think he did
I think he will get a 5 point bump coming out of this convention. The question is, of course, will is last longer than the start of the Democratic convention.
 
austenbosten said:
Wow, I really don’t know what to say other than I am highly honored to be compared with Rush Limbaugh…El Rushbo. Thank you CaptFun. 🙂

Maybe I should go into broadcasting 😃
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Limbaugh didn’t write the poem – but it was on his show and highly requested for a week (I remember, and it was a LOOOONG time ago).

But that take of yours … I stopped watching my Angel game. (You have to know me to understand how unlikely that is). Keep it coming my man. 👍

Maybe you should! You have a nice mix of conversational style and aserbic wit. A nice sense of observation and … best of all … you are original.

Mom < Just kidding everybody 😉 poem link below

groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/iJStSXra7Rs
 
ishii said:
Saw Eastwood the 2nd time - at first I thought his speech was a bit strange, but the at 2nd glance it was pretty funny and effective. Nice to have a legend up there speaking to support Romney.

Ishii
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Just another good reason for me not to be a conservative then. Because I didn’t find
him implying the President of the United States of Amercia was sitting in an empty chair next to him, pretending the President of the United States was saying “shut up” and whatever Eastwood meant by this, “what do you want me to tell Romney? I can’t tell him to do that. I can’t tell him to do that to himself”, and then after applause saying the President of the United States was crazy… at all funny or effective.

I found it in very poor taste and disrespectful. For the Republican Party in prime time to lead up to Romney with that, it at least reaffirmed for me another reason why I am proud not to be part of this Republican Party. Because had I been, I would have been embarassed to have been so after that.

foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/transcript-clint-eastwood-speech-at-rnc/
 
gilliam said:
Here are my thoughts on Romney and the convention as a whole

Romney is now pivoting to the general election. The people he has to convince to vote for him are the Independents who tend to be more moderate.
  1. He has been too stiff in the past, so he has to seem more human. I think this was accomplished.
  2. He had to try to turn his religion into an asset rather than a liability. I don’t know if that was accomplished, but they sure tried.
  3. He had to sound like a moderate, and I think he did
I think he will get a 5 point bump coming out of this convention. The question is, of course, will is last longer than the start of the Democratic convention.
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Think most candidates will get a bump from a convention but everybody knows Obama is, he has been president for nearly 4 years so there is nothing new people can learn from the DNC which is why I expect it will get less viewers than the RNC. Many people did not know who Ryan or Romney were before. I do not think conventions can determine the winner, think the debates have more impact

Evidence Romney has got a poll bump, this was before his speech

reuters.com/article/2012/08/30/us-usa-campaign-poll-idUSBRE87T1DV20120830
 
gilliam said:
Here are my thoughts on Romney and the convention as a whole

Romney is now pivoting to the general election. The people he has to convince to vote for him are the Independents who tend to be more moderate.
  1. He has been too stiff in the past, so he has to seem more human. I think this was accomplished.
  2. He had to try to turn his religion into an asset rather than a liability. I don’t know if that was accomplished, but they sure tried.
  3. He had to sound like a moderate, and I think he did
I think he will get a 5 point bump coming out of this convention. The question is, of course, will is last longer than the start of the Democratic convention.
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Don’t you think the convention that presents itself last has an advantage in that it can directly respond to the speakers in the first convention? Also, there is an application of the recency effect (from social psychology), in which a speaker who talks last is better remembered by an audience, but this is only when a decision is made very shortly after the speech. Otherwise, the primacy effect may take effect.
 
CMatt25 said:
Just another good reason for me not to be a conservative then. Because I didn’t find
him implying the President of the United States of Amercia was sitting in an empty chair next to him, pretending the President of the United States was saying “shut up” and whatever Eastwood meant by this, “what do you want me to tell Romney? I can’t tell him to do that. I can’t tell him to do that to himself”, and then after applause saying the President of the United States was crazy… at all funny or effective.

I found it in very poor taste and disrespectful. For the Republican Party in prime time to lead up to Romney with that, it at least reaffirmed for me another reason why I am proud not to be part of this Republican Party. Because had I been, I would have been embarassed to have been so after that.

foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/transcript-clint-eastwood-speech-at-rnc/
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Wouldn’t you find anything Clint Eastwood said about Obama disrespectful?
 
CMatt25 said:
Just another good reason for me not to be a conservative then. Because I didn’t find
him implying the President of the United States of Amercia was sitting in an empty chair next to him, pretending the President of the United States was saying “shut up” and whatever Eastwood meant by this, “what do you want me to tell Romney? I can’t tell him to do that. I can’t tell him to do that to himself”, and then after applause saying the President of the United States was crazy… at all funny or effective.

I found it in very poor taste and disrespectful. For the Republican Party in prime time to lead up to Romney with that, it at least reaffirmed for me another reason why I am proud not to be part of this Republican Party. Because had I been, I would have been embarassed to have been so after that.

foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/transcript-clint-eastwood-speech-at-rnc/
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Hello Cmatt - Clint Eastwood “made my day.” I would expect nothing less from you though - being a dyed in the wool liberal Democrat. I think if Obama and his minions are going to accuse Romney of complicity in the cancer death of a woman - “not caring” about her, etc. accuse Romney of felony tax evasion - is that worthy of a Majority leader of the US senate to stoop to such blatantly false accusations? Get back to me on that, Cmatt. Then, compare that to Eastwood’s hilarious speech.

Another thing, why would a speech by an actor make you not want to be a conservative - which is about ideas on government/politics? Why would one man’s speech make you dismiss the ideas of conservatism? I think you should consider this.

Ishii
 
_Abyssinia said:
Wouldn’t you find anything Clint Eastwood said about Obama disrespectful?
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I didn’t like him implying the President of the United States of Amerca was saying “shut up” and whatever it was he was implying the President of the United States was telling Romney to do to himself. I thought that is what went too far and inappropriately crossed the line. Agree or disagree with the President’s policy. Like him or not. He is the President of all of us. But I understand obviously the base loves that kind of meat.
 
CMatt25 said:
I didn’t like him implying the President of the United States of Amerca was saying “shut up” and whatever it was he was implying the President of the United States was telling Romney to do to himself. I thought that is what went too far and inappropriately crossed the line. Agree or disagree with the President’s policy. Like him or not. He is the President of all of us. But I understand obviously the base loves that kind of meat.
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I wish more liberals thought like you when George W Bush was President, we probably wouldn’t have all this bitter divisiveness.
 
CMatt25 said:
I didn’t like him implying the President of the United States of Amerca was saying “shut up” and whatever it was he was implying the President of the United States was telling Romney to do to himself. I thought that is what went too far and inappropriately crossed the line. Agree or disagree with the President’s policy. Like him or not. He is the President of all of us. But I understand obviously the base loves that kind of meat.
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And accusing Romney of “not caring” about a woman dying of cancer? If that represents “liberalism” of the kind you espouse, Cmatt, then I am glad that I am not a liberal.

Ishii
 
Okay…minor pet peeve. I worked a 13-hour day and hoped to watch Romney’s speech on YouTube. The RNC Convention site has every speech except Romney’s. 😑 Does anyone have a link to the speech? I’ve watched Eastwood (funny) and Jeb Bush (great!).
 
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gilliam said:
Here are my thoughts on Romney and the convention as a whole

Romney is now pivoting to the general election. The people he has to convince to vote for him are the Independents who tend to be more moderate.
  1. He has been too stiff in the past, so he has to seem more human. I think this was accomplished. It would almost HAVE to have been. I agree. He’s less wooden all the time. Mitt is almost a real live BOY! 😃
  2. He had to try to turn his religion into an asset rather than a liability. I don’t know if that was accomplished, but they sure tried. Meh. He’s best to be done with that now. Most people didn’t “get” the Quakers either … but the US elected two of them. Twice as many as we’ve elected Catholics. With so many (especially Catholics it seems) apologizing for their faith or assuring “us” that they won’t let “it” influence their votes in the slightest … it IS nice to see belief put forward as a positive character trait.
  3. He had to sound like a moderate, and I think he did. With a lifetime of practice (and being raised by father George, a “Rockefeller Republican”) - “sounding moderate” should not be the most arduous of tasks. 😛
I think he will get a 5 point bump coming out of this convention. The question is, of course, will is last longer than the start of the Democratic convention.
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Nice analysis, Pardon my smart alecky kibitzing. I think you are right - but I think the bigger number in the polls is really how far UNDER 50 % a sitting President is in any state poll. THAT and the “likely voters” poll versus the “registered voters” poll.

The more I think of it, the more possible a Romney/Ryan win becomes. All the momentum to date has been Obama losing ground in states he carried in 2008. Now gas prices are skyrocketing (at least here in California - where driving is the ONLY option).

Right now the “experts” don’t predict it but many so called “reliably blue” states have elected Republican Governors and Senators recently. Romney is a hometown boy in Michigan and Massachusetts; Ryan in Wisconsin and Ohio (where he went to school).

And the Obama campaign of 2012 so far reminds me a bit of the Carter campaign of 1980. The incumbent trumpeted NO accomplishments - but his campaign was based on fear of the alternative, blame for the previous administration and the promise that NOW things are about to get better, we’ve learned.

Carter was no charismatic Obama. And Romney is not Reagan. But in 1980 the polls predicted a neck and neck race RIGHT up to election day -
***but what happened was ***a colossal landslide when the “likely voters” became the “actual voters”
 
Listen,

If anyone thinks they are “more” pro life by voting for Mitt Romney, they are deceiving themselves!!

You can’t be a “little” pro life, or “mostly” pro life. You either ARE or you ARE NOT. PERIOD.

oh, he masquerades as an angel of light, but do you know what this whole “health of the mother” really boils down to?

ABORTION ON DEMAND. yep. don’t let anyone deceive you. All they need to do is get a psychologist to write a note that says the pregnancy is endangering their mental health. That’s it.

That pretty much is anyone who wants an abortion.

Don’t vote for someone who just pays lip service to a good cause. Look at their DEEDS, and their record on the issue.

If you vote for Mitt Romney, do it because you like his hair, or you hate social security, but NOT because you think he is PRO LIFE.

sorry for all the Caps. I’m just really mad.

Peace
 
AnaTurin said:
Listen,

If anyone thinks they are “more” pro life by voting for Mitt Romney, they are deceiving themselves!!
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:whacky:

Voting for Mitt Romney doesn’t make someone “more pro-life.” It is a logical choice for someone who is already pro-life and wants to elect the “more pro-life” of the two major candidates. I don’t know why you are mad, but I’m guessing it has something to do with your inability to see that it makes sense to vote for a candidate who may actually end up in the White House. Whomever else you plan to vote for won’t be elected.
 
I’m telling you that Mitt Romney is NOT pro life.

I would actually go so far as to say that OBAMA is more pro life than Mitt Romney, because I believe he was sincere when he told the Pope that he wants to do whatever he can to reduce the number of abortions (the demand for abortions).

Mitt Romney? For all we know, he is still secretly committed to his promise to protect a woman’s right to choose that he made when he was running for office in Massachusetts.

Not to mention the fact that Mitt Romney isn’t even a Christian, so his concept of “pro-life” could mean any number of things. (he wants all babies to live forever on planet Kolob?) whatever.
 
Mitt Romney is the most fake politician I have ever seen in my life.

I’m so terrified of him becoming President.

“One Nation under God” would have a different meaning to him. You know that Mormons are Polytheists right? And that we can all become “gods” and live eternally with our spouse (if our marriage is sealed at the temple) and make spiritual babies forever (who can also become gods).

The Mormon Church and all their anti-christ missionaries will have a great new platform for their missions work: they will say “look how “God” is blessing us, now we even have a Mormon US president”.

Yes, not only is he NOT a Christian, but the Mormon Church is anti-catholic more than almost any other “church”. AND MITT ROMNEY IS A BISHOP!!!

Come on people, WAKE UP, is this really who you want for President? I’m all about diversity and such, but this is just absolutely insane. I could understand voting for a Jewish President or Muslim, or another Monotheistic Religion, but an anti-catholic, polytheistic mockery of Christianity? Really? And a LEADER of this religion?

How and why can you vote for him?
 
CMatt25 said:
I thought the only poll that mattered was in Nov. If I’m not mistaken not every candidate who gets a bump from their convention goes on to win over 2 mos later.
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Not sure about convention poll bumps. Suspect the debates are more impactful as to who the winner is. Conventions are good for candidates who are not known by a percentage of people like for Ryan and Romney
 
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