Republican convention

[JimR-OCDS]

Ridgerunner

Republicans have done it, but it can’t pass both houses because of the Democrats and Obama would veto it anyway.

I have never seen a bill by a republican to ban all abortions. I’d like to see it, and see the penalties for those who violate it.

But, (as liberals point out) it’s really just symbolic anyway because no matter how many truly comprehensive bills prolifers pass, they would be declared unconstitutional unless the majority on the Court is prolife at the time.

Because Jews, Muslims and others don’t believe that having an abortion before viability, is immoral. As a result, they’ll not write a law that would make criminals out of doctors who perform a first trimester abortion.

After viability, the issue tends to change across the population. However, they’ll always want a “to save the life of the mother,” clause in the legislation. Even though it’s not necessary to kill a viable fetus to save the life of the mother these days, the majority of people want the language in the bill or they’ll not support it.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

bellasbane

A procedure that is necessary to protect the life of the mother may very well infringe upon the life of the child. The Catholic Church does not view this as abortion.

The Church views the deliberate killing of the fetus, even to save the life of the mother as an abortion and illicit.

The recent case at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Arizona where an abortion was performed to save the life of the mother, and the Bishop stated that all involved, mother, doctors and members of the ethics panel were excommunicated.

Jim

 

[Rence]

Because Jews, Muslims and others don’t believe that having an abortion before viability, is immoral. As a result, they’ll not write a law that would make criminals out of doctors who perform a first trimester abortion.

After viability, the issue tends to change across the population. However, they’ll always want a “to save the life of the mother,” clause in the legislation. Even though it’s not necessary to kill a viable fetus to save the life of the mother these days, the majority of people want the language in the bill or they’ll not support it.

The Muslims and others do allow abortion if the woman’s health is at risk, but it’s actually against Jewish law to not abort if the health of the mother is at risk. So those folks wouldn’t be able to live their lives and base their medical decisions based on their religious teachings. That’s probably why the majority of people want this language in the bill.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The Muslims and others do allow abortion if the woman’s health is at risk, but it’s actually against Jewish law to not abort if the health of the mother is at risk. So those folks wouldn’t be able to live their lives and base their medical decisions based on their religious teachings. That’s probably why the majority of people want this language in the bill.

Right.

Here’s the answer, which fits with what you posted.

aish.com/ci/sam/48954946.html

Jim

 

[PJD1987]

**Roman Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan will give the benediction at the Republican National Convention on the night Mitt Romney accepts the presidential nomination. The cardinal’s spokesman said the appearance was not an endorsement.

Dolan is the New York archbishop and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Romney announced Dolan’s appearance in an interview with Raymond Arroyo’s “The World Over Live” on EWTN Catholic network.**

townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2012/08/22/romney_cardinal_dolan_to_offer_convention_prayer

 

[rlg94086]

I don’t see how failing to protect the lives of innocent women is in any way closer to Church teaching than failing to protect the lives of innocent children. I believe we need to affirm the rights of both.

Of course you don’t. I don’t expect you to see any difference whatsoever.

 

[Rence]

I don’t see how failing to protect the lives of innocent women is in any way closer to Church teaching than failing to protect the lives of innocent children. I believe we need to affirm the rights of both.

Don’t worry, so does the Church. The Church wants a medical resolution to treat both and does not hold one more important than the other. They are equally important.

 

[CNA_News]

Washington D.C., Aug 22, 2012 / 05:07 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan of New York, head of the U.S. Catholic bishops’ conference, has been invited to offer the final benediction at the upcoming Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla.

The news was announced by presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney in an exclusive interview with Raymond Arroyo, host of EWTN's news program The World Over.

Cardinal Dolan will give the concluding benediction prayer on August 30, the final night of the GOP convention, where Mitt Romney is slated to accept the presidential nomination for his party.

The cardinal has not endorsed either candidate in the 2012 presidential race.

However, he has been an outspoken critic of a mandate issued by the Obama administration to require employers to offer health insurance plans that covers contraception, sterilization and abortion-inducing drugs, even if doing so violates their consciences.

Numerous dioceses, non-profit organization and Catholic-owned businesses have sued the administration, arguing that the mandate violates the First Amendment by forcing them to compromise their deeply held religious convictions.

Obama has also voiced support for abortion and is the first U.S. president to openly advocate a redefinition of marriage to include homosexual couples.

Arroyo explained that during the interview, Romney “breaks news about what we can expect at the Republican National Convention and reacts to charges by President Obama that he chose Paul Ryan as his running mate to lower his personal tax burden.”

“He also talks about the hot issue of religious liberty, the role of prayer in his life, and how being a bishop in the Mormon Church prepared him for the presidency,” he said.

The interview with Romney will air on EWTN at 8 p.m. EDT on Aug. 23.

feeds.feedburner.com/~ff/catholicnewsagency/dailynews?d=yIl2AUoC8zA
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/Rf0QPtuMeIg

Full article…

 

[bellasbane]

bellasbane

The Church views the deliberate killing of the fetus, even to save the life of the mother as an abortion and illicit.

The recent case at St. Joseph’s Hospital in Arizona where an abortion was performed to save the life of the mother, and the Bishop stated that all involved, mother, doctors and members of the ethics panel were excommunicated.

Jim

Yes, but he said they excommunicated themselves, which is not the same as him excommunicating them. Nevertheless, it is a complicated issue upon which moral theologians differ as to whether he was correct. Furthermore, while the USCCB issued a statement that reiterates Catholic teaching on the difference between direct and indirect abortion (which I cannot locate!) I believe they stopped short of directly commenting on the case. Furthermore, Sr. Margaret McBride is no longer considered to be excommunicated.

Here’s a good article on the topic. Warning! It’s a bit dense:
firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/05/excommunicating-intentions

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Yes, but he said they excommunicated themselves, which is not the same as him excommunicating them. Nevertheless, it is a complicated issue upon which moral theologians differ as to whether he was correct. Furthermore, while the USCCB issued a statement that reiterates Catholic teaching on the difference between direct and indirect abortion (which I cannot locate!) I believe they stopped short of directly commenting on the case. Furthermore, Sr. Margaret McBride is no longer considered to be excommunicated.

Here’s a good article on the topic. Warning! It’s a bit dense:
firstthings.com/onthesquare/2010/05/excommunicating-intentions

I only pointed out that the Church teaches that you can not perform a(direct) abortion to save the life of the mother.

I understand the complexities of the St. Joseph’s hospital issue. However, the USCCB and the Vatican supported Bishop Olmstead, who has also revoked the Catholic association to St. Joseph’s hospital.

Jim

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

Yes, but he said they excommunicated themselves, which is not the same as him excommunicating them

With all due respect, this is a misunderstanding. A person who is excommunicated always excommunicates himself. The Church may, particularly is cases that may cause scandal, officially note the excommunication, but She is not the one doing the excommunication: the person excommunicated has done so themselves by their words/actions.

 

[livingwordunity]

The Republican platform committee approved language on Tuesday seeking a constitutional amendment that would ban abortions with no exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the life of a pregnant woman, a position Democrats quickly labeled the “Akin Plank,” after embattled Representative Todd Akin of Missouri.

The wording of the GOP’s call for a “human life amendment” is no different from what the party approved in 2004 and 2008…

The platform committee wrote: “Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a *human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”

bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/08/21/gop-platform-committee-would-ban-abortion-even-save-woman-life-adding-furor-over-senate-candidate-offensive-remarks-rape/z8RUoesNCeEfX5N0BXqWtJ/story.html

I would like to know what people think about the omission in the GOP platform regarding an exception for the life of the mother and whether failing to include such language helps or hurts the pro-life cause.

So the Republican Party agrees with what the Catholic Church teaches about abortion while the Democrat Party is diametrically opposed to Catholic teachings and is at war with the Catholic Church. This should make the choice for Catholics easy.

 

[gilliam]

Roman Catholic Cardinal Timothy Dolan will give the benediction at the Republican National Convention on the night Mitt Romney accepts the presidential nomination. The cardinal’s spokesman said the appearance was not an endorsement.
Dolan is the New York archbishop and president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops…
The archdiocese is one of more than 40 Catholic groups suing President Barack Obama over his mandate that employers provide health insurance that includes free birth control as a preventive service.
hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_REPUBLICAN_CONVENTION_CARDINAL_DOLAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

 

[JimR-OCDS]

R. The cardinal’s spokesman said the appearance was not an endorsement.

Does anyone actually believe this?

Jim

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Does anyone actually believe this?

Jim

Not I.

 

[MJE]

He told both parties he would accept an invite to pray w/ them.
Do you suppose he might pray for God given freedoms?

 

[livingwordunity]

Does anyone actually believe this?

Jim

How do you know that he didn’t offer to do this for the Democrats but they would not invite him to lead a prayer with them since they are currently at war with the Catholic Church?

 

[MJE]

Maybe the Rev. Al Sharpton or Rev.Jeremiah Wright will lead the Democrats in prayer?

 

[rlg94086]

So the Republican Party agrees with what the Catholic Church teaches about abortion while the Democrat Party is diametrically opposed to Catholic teachings and is at war with the Catholic Church. This should make the choice for Catholics easy.

One would think so, but…no. You have to understanding the Democratic state-of-mind. Unless a political party comes along that is 100% perfectly in line with Catholic teaching, then they believe that means they can vote for whatever level of evil they want. They aren’t required to weigh the differences between the two imperfect choices.

 

[ProVobis]

*Meminerimus autem etiam adversus infimos iustitiam esse servandam *(“Let us remember that justice must be observed even to the lowest.”) - Cicero in De Officiis (On (Civic) Duties) 44 BC