Republican convention

[Rich_Olszewski]

A Catholic must be against abortion and against gay marriage.
Ergo, we cannot be Democrats.

That simple, eh? QED?

What about Catholic Democrats like myself who are against abortion and gay marriage? We don’t count in your little polarized world??

 

[CMatt25]

When no minority republican is shown speaking there is a problem at that network

You don’t consider former RNC chairman Michael Steele a minority Republican? He is on MSNBC a lot actually. He’s not even afraid to appear with Rachel Maddow.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

You don’t consider former RNC chairman Michael Steele a minority Republican?

Do yourself a huge favor and listen to the speech by Mayor Mia Love.

 

[JimG]

You may be presuming too much in that regard.

Indeed. I’ve been a Democrat my entire life. But I simply cannot vote any longer for the party of abortion, or now, for the party of national bankruptcy. Sadly, I expect that a good deal of the Democratic Convention will be devoted to pro-abortion speakers advocating for unlimited abortion and unlimited spending. Or rather to use their terms, “reproductive rights.”

 

[LisaA]

I apologize again for presuming what sort of politician appeals to you personally.

As for my personal opinions - what are yours if not your personal opinions? Pick another poster - any one - what are their posts, but their personal opinions?

Completely erroneous stereotypes? You actually doubt that there are “country-club” Republicans?

No, they have names like yours and mine. A lot of them are members of the Greenwich, CT Country Club. If I could persuade a friend to invite you there when I’m in NYC, I would. I certainly haven’t the wherewithall to afford to be a member myself.

I was of the impression that the GOP Presidential ticket was lily-white. Sorry if I was wrong.

Rich, strawmen are going to become an endangered species if you keep this up. To wit:

I didn’t say there are NO country club Republicans, I simply pointed out that many of our rising stars are minorities, second generation immigrants, women, military service members and thus not the stereotype you claim makes up the majority of the party and its leadership. Instead of taking a few minutes to find out if your stereotype may no longer be valid you simply dispense with these amazing Republicans by saying “I don’t care about them and doubt if anyone else does…”

Really? I mean REALLY? It is apparently more important to you to hold on to an erroneous and outdated stereotype than to open your mind and see if there is something new in the Grand Old Party.

Second I certainly did NOT say the Republican ticket had a minority member. I said the Democrat has a ‘half’ minority but voting on the basis of skin color is just as racist as NOT voting for someone on the basis of skin color. Quite honestly the whole “identity” politics position to me smacks of bigotry with the theory that only certain ethnic, religious or other identity groups (blue collar, union, business owners) appeal to or are represented by one party or the other.

Again I offer you the challenge. Is there a Democrat in the national spotlight who represents traditional American values, a pro life stance, a desire for growth and prosperity instead of “managed decline?”

Lisa

 

[_Abyssinia]

Yahoo News fires David Chalian

Yahoo News has fired Washington bureau chief David Chalian after he was caught on a hot-mic during an online video broadcast today saying that Mitt Romney and his wife, Ann, had no problem with African Americans suffering as a result of Hurricane Isaac, a source familiar with the situation tells POLITICO.

“They’re not concerned at all. They’re happy to have a party with black people drowning,” Chalian said during the ABC News/Yahoo News webcast, in reference to the fact that the GOP convention in Tampa is taking place as Hurricane Isaac makes landfall on the north Gulf coast.

The conservative media watchdog organization NewsBusters first posted audio

of Chalian’s remarks, but referred to him as an ABC News employee (and offered slightly inaccurate transcription). ABC News spokesperson Julie Townsend informed the organization that Chalian was with Yahoo.

Chalian and Yahoo News spokesperson Kristen Morquecho did not respond to requests for comment; Townsend also did not respond to a request for comment. (ABC News, where Chalian was political director until 2010, has partnered with Yahoo News for 2012 political coverage).

UPDATE (1:30 p.m.): Yahoo News confirms:

“David Chalian’s statement was inappropriate and does not represent the views of Yahoo!. He has been terminated effective immediately. We have already reached out to the Romney campaign, and we apologize to Mitt Romney, his staff, their supporters and anyone who was offended.”

politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/yahoo-news-fires-david-chalian-source-133662.html

 

[JimG]

Thinking of Republicans as Rockefeller types is about as outdated as thinking of Democrats as JFK or Harry Truman types.

 

[austenbosten]

I also won’t expect you to address legitmate points that I’ve brought up. Duly noted. If you refuse to do so, then why enter into a dialogue in the first place? Romney having Bork as an advisor is a very positive thing from the conservative perspective. Anyonen with common sense will admit that.

Ishii

No I didn’t address it, because it’s not relevant to the discussion as the Moderator has already noted. I’m already on his bad side and I would very much wish not to aggravate him any further by continuing this off-topic discussion. So if you want an answer I’ll PM you, but I’m not going to post it on here, it’s not the place.

 

[CMatt25]

The Republican platform committee approved language on Tuesday seeking a constitutional amendment that would ban abortions with no exceptions for rape, incest, or danger to the life of a pregnant woman, a position Democrats quickly labeled the “Akin Plank,” after embattled Representative Todd Akin of Missouri.

The wording of the GOP’s call for a “human life amendment” is no different from what the party approved in 2004 and 2008…

The platform committee wrote: “Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a *human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”

bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/08/21/gop-platform-committee-would-ban-abortion-even-save-woman-life-adding-furor-over-senate-candidate-offensive-remarks-rape/z8RUoesNCeEfX5N0BXqWtJ/story.html

I would like to know what people think about the omission in the GOP platform regarding an exception for the life of the mother and whether failing to include such language helps or hurts the pro-life cause.

I think the RNC platform omission could hurt because most Americans are not extremists to this degree. But it may have been paid attention to less if not for the likes of that MO Senate Republican candidate and the Republican VP nominee Paul Ryan’s work with him in Congress.

 

[livnlern]

I was of the impression that the GOP Presidential ticket was lily-white. Sorry if I was wrong.

So what if the GOP ticket is “lily-white”? Who cares what race they are? And what’s wrong with being white? I’m sick to death of all the emphasis put on race. I for one couldn’t care less what race any of the politicians are. The only thing that matters is if they can be public servants and can lead at the same time. That’s what is important. We need a real leader in the White House, not someone who votes “present” and then does what’s best for himself and his cronies.

 

[7_Sorrows]

The following is taken from an interview @ CNN w/ Artur Davis:

CNN’s Gloria Borger challenged former congressman Artur Davis’ “incredible 180-degree shift” from the Democratic Party to GOP convention speaker, but the GOP’s new addition had an answer ready and waiting on Tuesday night.

** “Well, Gloria, I’ll be honest with you, the easy thing would have been for me to frankly to do what you guys are doing and to be a pundit.** The easy thing for me, and no offense for what you do, but the easy thing would be to do a ‘plague on both your houses’,” Davis retorted.

Read more: newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-hadro/2012/08/29/artur-davis-schools-cnn-easy-do-what-you-guys-are-doing#ixzz24xKi6w5b

that was my first time to hear artur davis speak and i thought he was great! very down to earth. i hope he makes an impression on a great many people who voted for Obama in 2008. he was very believable. passionate.

 

[Luigi_Daniele]

So what if the GOP ticket is “lily-white”? Who cares what race they are? And what’s wrong with being white? I’m sick to death of all the emphasis put on race. I for one couldn’t care less what race any of the politicians are. The only thing that matters is if they can be public servants and can lead at the same time. That’s what is important. We need a real leader in the White House, not someone who votes “present” and then does what’s best for himself and his cronies.

Exactly right.

I find it amusing that the Left is always talking about race, but we are the ones that are supposed to be racist.

 

[7_Sorrows]

So what if the GOP ticket is “lily-white”? Who cares what race they are? And what’s wrong with being white? I’m sick to death of all the emphasis put on race. I for one couldn’t care less what race any of the politicians are. The only thing that matters is if they can be public servants and can lead at the same time. That’s what is important. We need a real leader in the White House, not someone who votes “present” and then does what’s best for himself and his cronies.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Rich, strawmen are going to become an endangered species if you keep this up. To wit:

I didn’t say there are NO country club Republicans, I simply pointed out that many of our rising stars are minorities, second generation immigrants, women, military service members and thus not the stereotype you claim makes up the majority of the party and its leadership.

Nor did I say that the silk stockinged types are the majority. I’d point out that “rising stars” (must you use that fawning term? Let’s not. “Stars” sounds sooo shallow.) who are minorities, women, second generation immigrants, ex-servicemen are also found in the Democratic Party. Your champions and mine come from the same stock, albeit with different ideas about how to run the country.

Instead of taking a few minutes to find out if your stereotype may no longer be valid you simply dispense with these amazing Republicans by saying “I don’t care about them and doubt if anyone else does…”

Answered above. Both parties are producing a new generation of politicians. My previous point went to the fact that I’m not that interested in yours because I won’t be voting for them.

Really? I mean REALLY? It is apparently more important to you to hold on to an erroneous and outdated stereotype than to open your mind and see if there is something new in the Grand Old Party.

I’ve said that I don’t consider the country-club types the majority of the GOP.

Again I offer you the challenge. Is there a Democrat in the national spotlight who represents traditional American values, a pro life stance, a desire for growth and prosperity instead of “managed decline?”

What’s that expression? “All politics are local.” And so the spotlight I’m interested in is not the national one.

Democratic candidates are interested in traditional American values. You and I don’t seem to define them the same way, though.

My local pols are pro-life.

Democratic candidates are no less desirous of growth and prosperity for our nation than are the GOP candidates.

 

[LisaA]

that was my first time to hear artur davis speak and i thought he was great! very down to earth. i hope he makes an impression on a great many people who voted for Obama in 2008. he was very believable. passionate.

I was fortunate to hear about Artur Davis early on. He has an amazing bio, Harvard and Harvard Law School…magne cum laude, winner of the Moot competition. He is intelligent, eloquent and the complete antithesis of Obama. No blaming of others, no pandering to racial stereotypes. I predict a great future for him! Again note the focus on earned success, not the desire for more learned dependence.

BTW he said one of the turning points as a Democrat is when he had the temerity to move out of lockstep on both life issues and also Obamacare. As many have said, he didn’t leave the Democrat party, it left him out of the ‘family’

Lisa

 

[_Abyssinia]

I think the RNC platform omission could hurt because most Americans are not extremists to this degree. But it may have been paid attention to less if not for the likes of that MO Senate Republican candidate and the Republican VP nominee Paul Ryan’s work with him in Congress.

Democrat platform rejects all of the follow which polls have shown majority of Americans support: parental consent for minors; 24 hour waiting period; no taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood; ban late term abortion, partial birth abortion and sex selection abortion.

Democrat platform is out of touch with most democrats. 60% support mandatory waiting period, 59% support ban for partial birth abortion.

Which is more extreme to the average American? Democrat platform on abortion

 

[Mickey_Finn]

I think it would help. Most of the people who are passionate about being prolife are prolife in all circumstances.

Most.

"*Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said *Monday that the GOP presidential ticket “opposes abortion with exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.”

The Romney campaign declined to comment Tuesday on the platform committee’s vote, beyond the distinction drawn by Priebus.

But Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts, who is defending his seat against Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren, called the no-exceptions abortion ban a “mistake” in a letter to Priebus, saying it “fails to recognize the views of pro-choice Republicans like myself.”*

To me, a Pro-life in all that I understand the movement to mean, voter. This removes any compulsion to vote. There is no exceptable “choice”.

 

[_Abyssinia]

I think the RNC platform omission could hurt because most Americans are not extremists to this degree. But it may have been paid attention to less if not for the likes of that MO Senate Republican candidate and the Republican VP nominee Paul Ryan’s work with him in Congress.

Democrat platform rejects all of the following which polls have shown majority of Americans support: parental consent for minors; 24 hour waiting period; stop taxpayer funding of Planned Parenthood; ban late term abortion, partial birth abortion and sex selection abortion

60% democrats support mandatory waiting period. 59% support ban for partial birth abortion

 

[qui_est_ce]

There’s difference between being ignorant and not caring about the GOP or their “rising stars.” You, to be sure, may laud them to the skies and perhaps even persuade others to support them. But, I can guarantee that the disadvantaged won’t be on their bandwagons.

Rich-

Your posts on this thread are those of an incurious man with no thought to who/what the people on this forum value. You appear to be more interested in throwing you personal love of words and worldliness to the front rather than discussing what is being discussed.

I personally find the discussion helpful. And your posts to be awkward distractions. There are times I’ve had to put you on my ignore list because your posts were so irritatingly flippant and distracting.

If you are not interested, don’t bother posting. The thread is not about you.

Sorry to be so harsh, but I know you to be much deeper than that.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Most.

"*Romney spokeswoman Amanda Henneberg said *Monday that the GOP presidential ticket “opposes abortion with exceptions for rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.”

The Romney campaign declined to comment Tuesday on the platform committee’s vote, beyond the distinction drawn by Priebus.

But Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts, who is defending his seat against Democratic challenger Elizabeth Warren, called the no-exceptions abortion ban a “mistake” in a letter to Priebus, saying it “fails to recognize the views of pro-choice Republicans like myself.”*

To me, a Pro-life in all that I understand the movement to mean, voter. This removes any compulsion to vote. There is no exceptable “choice”.

A president does not decide abortion law, they can sign pro life or pro abortion legislation and elect supreme court judges who support their abortion view. Obama has expanded abortion through the world through funding the UN population fund, which supports pa reframe or sterilisation that is involuntarily in China and coerced abortion, and the Mexico city policy. He has elected supreme court judges who oppose reversing roe vs wade. The next president will probably elect supreme court judges. If Obama is reelected he will get that choice and could push the reversal of roe vs wade for decades

Romney is committed to reversing roe vs wade. That is what the pro life movement has been fighting for nearly 40 years so his view on whether he is against all abortion or in cases of rape and incest is not the main factor. Romney has laid out his pro life agenda he would take as president to pro life advocate Pam Badgers
Dear Pam,

Thank you for contacting me about the important issue of abortion. I appreciate your interest in my campaign for president and would like to thank you for taking the time to share your views with me.

I am firmly pro-life. I believe that if abortion were limited to cases of rape, incest, and circumstances in which the mother’s life is in peril, we will have gone a long way to ending abortion in this country. I support the reversal of Roe v. Wade, because it is bad law and bad medicine. Roe was a misguided ruling that was a result of a small group of activist federal judges legislating from the bench.

I support the Hyde Amendment, which broadly bars the use of federal funds for abortions. And as president, I will end federal funding for abortion advocates like Planned Parenthood.

I will reinstate the Mexico City Policy to ensure that nongovernmental organizations that receive funding from America refrain from performing or promoting abortion services, as a method of family planning, in other countries. This includes ending American funding for any United Nations or other foreign assistance program that promotes or performs abortions on women around the world.

I will advocate for and support a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion.

And perhaps most importantly, I will only appoint judges who adhere to the Constitution and the laws as they are written, not as they want them to be written.

As Governor of Massachusetts, I fought to promote abstinence education in the classroom, vetoed legislation to provide emergency contraception without a prescription, and vetoed embryonic cloning legislation. I am proud to say that each time I was presented with legislation on life issues, I sided with life. I remain strongly dedicated to that position.

I am running for president because I believe in America and know that our best days are still ahead. I believe that the principles that made America the leader of the world today—freedom, opportunity, and free enterprise to name just a few—are the very principles that will keep America the leader of the world tomorrow. These last few years have not been the best of times. But while we’ve lost a few years, we have not lost our way.

Again, thank you for contacting me. I encourage you to visit my website at www.MittRomney.com for updated information on this and other issues that may be of interest to you. I look forward to hearing from you in the future, and earning your support.

Sincerely

Mitt Romney

lifenews.com/2012/07/25/romney-lays-out-pro-life-agenda-he-would-take-as-president