Republican convention

[7_Sorrows]

I haven’t heard about their questioning of Romney’s birth or Rubio. I guess they keep that largely under wraps, prefering to focus on Obama’s birth certificate. Do you condone their behavior?

the democrats questioned john mccain’s birth as well as romney and rubio.
the democrats have their double standard as usual. it is okay for them to question, but not the republicans.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Apart from the birthers, a significant percentage of people STILL believe Obama is Muslim or wonder which denomination of Christianity he follows, or whether he is a non-denominational Protestant, an agnostic, or atheist. Who cares what Obama’s religion is, or that Romney is Mormon: let’s grow up.

The only problem I have is why does Obama refer to his Christian beliefs on so many issues?

 

[seekerz]

No, seekerz, we’re not talking about Etch-a-Sketches here.

And look back at what Obama has done since he’s been in office. Something substantial changed for unborn babies for the WORSE the day after he took office. The Mexico Policy was immediately rescinded.

Something substantial did change for those babies with the lifting of the policy, though I can’t determine whether it was for better or for worse: the near-worldwide dependency on artificial contraception, created in large part by consecutive US administrations and left in a lurch by the policy, was relieved.

If I have to believe the statistics from several organizations involved in reproductive care, that led to less unwanted pregnancies and stemmed the rise of abortions which institution of the Mexico City policy had spurred. If I listen to the US politicians who support said policy, the number of abortions fell because of less US money. Who’s right? Guess we can take our pick.

 

[seekerz]

The only problem I have is why does Obama refer to his Christian beliefs on so many issues?

Why shouldn’t he?

 

[meltzerboy]

i didn’t say that immigrant ancestry, US geographical location and generational differences are determinants influencing whom we vote for. you are reading way too much into my post and blowing it out of proportion. use common sense. obama has a special set of circumstances.

I thought I was using common sense in interpreting your post. Obama has a special set of circumstances–just as Romney does–only if one wants to make them special.

 

[seekerz]

You’re a Catholic - you should know the answer.

Enlighten me then, since I have no idea what your trend of thought is.

 

[oldcelt]

do you know the difference of being a proud american and anti-american?

Most certainly,

John

 

[ProVobis]

Are you joking? Do you think women who are desperate for an alternative to Planned Parenthood even ASK what party the women belong to when they come over to the Big Blue Bus to get a REAL ultrasound and be shown their baby moving around in 4-D? How absolutely ridiculous!

But you’re assuming all desperate pregnant women seek abortion first and foremost and that’s a false assumption.

And I did say something to the effect of based on party platform, not what PP can do.

 

[meltzerboy]

Why shouldn’t he?

Because liberal Democrats are not supposed to refer to their religious beliefs; they’re supposed to be secular atheists without any moral values. Only conservative Republicans are permitted to refer to their religion since they are the only truly moral people. I’m surprised you didn’t know that.

 

[7_Sorrows]

I thought I was using common sense in interpreting your post. Obama has a special set of circumstances–just as Romney does–only if one wants to make them special.

you interpeted my post the way you wanted to.

 

[oldcelt]

The only problem I have is why does Obama refer to his Christian beliefs on so many issues?

I’d like to know how many times faith and God were brought up in Tampa. But, I guess that’s okay because it was done by Republicans.

John

 

[qui_est_ce]

Because liberal Democrats are not supposed to refer to their religious beliefs; they’re supposed to be secular atheists without any moral values. Only conservative Republicans are permitted to refer to their religion since they are the only truly moral people. I’m surprised you didn’t know that.

My point was it’s okay for Obama not to be Christian. It’s okay for a Republican not to be Christian.

 

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[qui_est_ce]

I’d like to know how many times faith and God were brought up in Tampa. But, I guess that’s okay because it was done by Republicans.

John

Considering it was done by actual practicing Christians, I didn’t have a problem with it.

I think the point of the many “God blesses” was in response to Obama’s recent attacks on religious liberty. It’s okay to say that in the public square. It’s also okay not to say it if you don’t believe in it.

Just be real.

 

[LisaA]

I would agree with you if some of its members were to show a little more compassion towards helping pregnant women. Actually Romney has shown this with his own Romneycare bill but he doesn’t want to advertise that fact. So just on party platforms, which party do you think a woman without support will turn to first?

You make the mistake to assume a woman would first look to the government for support! When did that happen?

Where do you get the notion that pregnant women who need help are turned away by their families, friends, church, community, local or state resources that they go to a political party?

YIKES that’s the problem and why the government has exploded in size and influence. We are teaching people to look to Uncle Sugar first instead of last.

Lisa

 

[ByzCathCantor]

Because liberal Democrats are not supposed to refer to their religious beliefs; they’re supposed to be secular atheists without any moral values.

Perhaps to some, but for my part I always hope and pray that our leaders have morals that are grounded in faith, whatever that might be and however it might be expressed. However, common courtesy if nothing else dictates that our political leaders share something about the basis of that faith foundation, if they do indeed intend to assert it in the public domain and in connection with the execution of their responsibilities.

In this case, if Obama’s faith is not to be made an issue, in fairness, nor should Romney’s. The moral values of both men should stand on their own merits alone, with no reference whatsoever to observance of faith and preference of worship.

 

[ProVobis]

However it does happen that many pro-lifers align with the GOP, because the GOP is the most likely party to support LIFE from conception to natural death.

So given these statistics from 2008, how exactly would the GOP support all life beside empty talk?

WHO HAS ABORTIONS?

•In 2008, 84.3% of all abortions were performed on unmarried women (CDC).
•Women living with a partner to whom they are not married account for 25% of abortions but only about 10% of women in the population (NAF).
•Women between the ages of 20-24 obtained 33% of all abortions in 2008; women between 25-29 obtained 24% (CDC).
•In 2008, women aged 20-29 years had the highest abortion rates (29.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 20-24 years and 21.6 abortions per 1,000 women aged 25-29 years) (CDC).
•50% of U.S. women obtaining abortions are younger than 25; women aged 20-24 obtain 33% of all U.S. abortions and teenagers obtain 17% (AGI).
•In 2008, adolescents under 15 years obtained .05% of all abortions, but had the highest abortion ratio, 821 abortions for every 1,000 live births (CDC).
•47% of women who have abortions had at least one previous abortion (AGI).
•Black women are more than 4.8 times more likely than non-Hispanic white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are 2.7 times as likely (AGI).
•The abortion rate of non-metropolitan women is about half that of women who live in metropolitan counties (NAF).
•The abortion rate of women with Medicaid coverage is three times as high as that of other women (NAF).
•37% of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 28% identify themselves as Catholic (AGI).
•At current rates, nearly one-third of American women will have an abortion (AGI).

WHY ARE ABORTIONS PERFORMED?
•On average, women give at least 3 reasons for choosing abortion: 3/4 say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or other responsibilities; about 3/4 say they cannot afford a child; and 1/2 say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner (AGI).
•Only 12% of women included a physical problem with their health among reasons for having an abortion (NAF).
•One per cent (of aborting women) reported that they were the survivors of rape (NAF).

abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

 

[qui_est_ce]

I’d like to know how many times faith and God were brought up in Tampa. But, I guess that’s okay because it was done by Republicans.

John

Please don’t assume things about me. I never said that.

 

[meltzerboy]

My point was it’s okay for Obama not to be Christian. It’s okay for a Republican to be Christian.

I still don’t understand. Is it also OK for Obama to BE Christian? If he brings up his Christian beliefs on occasion, maybe it’s because he is Christian. Shouldn’t we give him the benefit of knowing that? Do you believe he is lying? Or are you saying it’s OK for him to be Muslim?

 

[qui_est_ce]

You make the mistake to assume a woman would first look to the government for support! When did that happen?

Where do you get the notion that pregnant women who need help are turned away by their families, friends, church, community, local or state resources that they go to a political party?

YIKES that’s the problem and why the government has exploded in size and influence. We are teaching people to look to Uncle Sugar first instead of last.

Lisa

True. There are so many organizations that help women with crisis pregnancies. Birthright is a huge one.

I personally volunteer at Our Lady’s Inn.