Republican Primary Race [October Edition]

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I maintain my support of Ron Paul, but Herman Cain is growing on me.
 
Christie on Abortion:

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  • I’m pro-life with exceptions; take it or leave it. (Jun 2011)
  • Life is precious and should be protected. (Jun 2011)
  • “Default pro-choice” until hearing 13-week fetal heartbeat. (Jun 2011)
  • Pro-life; the life of every human being is precious. (Jul 2009)
On Civil Rights

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  • Pursue civil unions in NJ, but not same-sex marriage. (Jun 2011)
  • Homosexuals are born that way; they’re not sinners. (Jun 2011)
  • Marriage exclusively between one man and one woman. (Jul 2009)
On Health Care

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  • $159M for community health centers for the most vulnerable. (Aug 2011)
  • 3.2% funding increase for National Institutes of Health. (Apr 2010)
  • Loosen “one-size-fits-all” approach to Medicaid. (Jan 2011)
On War

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  • I’m not a nation-building guy; we’ve achieved Afghan goals. (Jun 2011)
  • Don’t pull troops out of Afghanistan until military says so. (Jun 2011)
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Cain on the issues

On abortion

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  • Life, liberty & pursuit of happiness starts with unborn life. (May 2011)
  • Defund Planned Parenthood; intent was to kill black babies. (Jan 2011)
  • Life begins at conception, period. (Jan 2011)
On civil rights

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  • Don’t distract army by reinstituting Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell. (Jun 2011)
  • Ignoring DOMA is treasonous breach of presidential duty. (May 2011)
  • Denied college admission due to race; but never lost faith. (Mar 2011)
  • Won’t appoint Muslims to Cabinet nor judgeships. (Jan 2011)
  • It depends on what you mean by the term ‘affirmative action’. (Jan 2007)
  • I oppose government-imposed hiring quotas. (Jun 2005)
  • If you believe in Bible, same-sex marriage is moot point. (Jun 2005)
  • Amendment to protect the sacred institution of marriage. (Feb 2002)
On drugs

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  • Illegal immigration exacerbates horrendous drug smuggling. (May 2011)
On foreign policy

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  • If you mess with Israel, you’re messing with the US. (Sep 2011)
  • Foreign policy should include bombs & bullets AND economics. (Aug 2011)
On health care

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  • If ObamaCare were in effect in 2006, I’d be dead of cancer. (Sep 2011)
  • First, repeal ObamaCare; second, patient-centered reforms. (Sep 2011)
  • Focus on controlling costs and choosing doctors. (Jul 2011)
  • ObamaCare is health care “deform”: repeal & replace. (May 2011)
Immigration

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  • Secure the border with more boots on the ground. (Sep 2011)
  • We have a path to citizenship: it’s called legal immigration. (Aug 2011)
  • Not right to sue Arizona for trying to protect themselves. (Jun 2011)
  • Secure our borders; enforce our laws. (May 2011)
  • Where’s the fence? Not in the Immigration Bill!. (Jun 2007)
On War

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  • US intervention in Libya is inappropriate and wrong. (Jul 2011)
  • Diplomacy must never compromise military might. (May 2011)
  • What is mission & exit plan in Afghanistan? (May 2011)
  • No clear strategy in either Libya or Syria. (May 2011)
  • Undeniable connection between Iraq and War on Terror. (Jun 2005)
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Perry on immigration

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  • We have Texas Rangers patrolling the border. (Sep 2011)
  • You don’t have a heart if you don’t educate immigrant kids. (Sep 2011)
  • A 2000-mile fence makes no sense; need boots on the ground. (Sep 2011)
  • Failed federal responsibility to secure the border. (Sep 2011)
  • Discounted in-state tuition regardless of immigration status. (Sep 2011)
  • Let illegals contribute to society & pursue citizenship. (Sep 2011)
  • El Paso border is not safe until we have boots on the ground. (Sep 2011)
  • Secure the Mexican border against drug cartels. (Feb 2011)
  • Illegal immigration cost TX $928M in one year. (Nov 2010)
  • End the notion of sanctuary cities. (Jan 2009)
  • $100 million investment in a more secure border. (Feb 2007)
  • Share costs of legal immigration between states & federal. (Feb 2001)
  • Federal government should deal with criminal repatriation. (Feb 2001)
  • Import farm workers from Mexico. (Sep 2001)
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My 'druthers, Gingrich or Santorum; could stand Bachmann, Perry, or Cain.

I’d vote for Obama over Ron Paul, though.
 
Hastrman said:
My 'druthers, Gingrich or Santorum; could stand Bachmann, Perry, or Cain.

I’d vote for Obama over Ron Paul, though.
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A collectivist socialist over a libertarian. You like your big-government establishmentarians don’t you?
 
Hastrman said:
I’d vote for Obama over Ron Paul, though.
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On Ron Paul being endorsed by David Duke and the Neo-Nazi group “Stormfront”

He’s also been endorsed by the Communist Party of the USA

Why are collectivists endorsing a “Libertarian” (and racism is a collectivist ideology)? Because they know how absolutely not-a-threat to their agenda he is. With enemies like him, they won’t need friends.

He has continually cozied up to Holocaust deniers and 9/11 Truthers, endorses extreme isolationist positions that are impossible to maintain in the global economy (as well as arguably contrary to Christian benevolence, and in violation of ratified treaties), and believes the states have the right to legalize drugs, prostitution, gay marriage, and abortion. He is—or says he is—“personally opposed” to abortion. But allegedly so was Ted Kennedy.
 
Herman Cain, Rick Perry or Mitt Romney. I am not sure yet. I want the person to win the nomination that has the most chance of beating Obama.
 
Hastrman said:
My 'druthers, Gingrich or Santorum; could stand Bachmann, Perry, or Cain.

I’d vote for Obama over Ron Paul, though.
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Nobody detests Ron Paul more than me and Scott will vouch for that 😃 but even I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama in a heartbeat.

Just read my signature line!
 
JMJSHJ said:
Nobody detests Ron Paul more than me and Scott will vouch for that 😃 but even I would vote for Ron Paul over Obama in a heartbeat.

Just read my signature line!
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Yeah, I was actually being facetious. If Paul gets the nom, Obama will beat him like a redheaded stepchild who owes him money—Paul is just too extreme (or actually, nutjob) to be viable.

And frankly, Obama would be less terrible for the country. I can see saying you couldn’t vote for him, since that would be in a sense to endorse his policies, but one may permit the lesser of two evils even though one may not actively advance it.
 
_Abyssinia said:
Herman Cain, Rick Perry or Mitt Romney. I am not sure yet. I want the person to win the nomination that has the most chance of beating Obama.
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That pretty much sums it up for me too.

I am leery of Cain’s lack of experience – that’s one of Obama’s big flaws. And I don’t like that he threw out the race card in the flap over the hunting lease without checking his facts. But I like him on the issues.

I am closely with Romney on the issues but I just can’t warm up to him. I am not sure he has the charisma to win the actual election.

Perry is my “home boy”. I’ve seen his good and his bad. I don’t agree with everything he has done/said but I am still positive overall regarding his executive ability.
 
I voted for Herman Cain but I still think it’s going to be Mitt Romney
 
I voted for Romney. I know, he’s “establishment”, etc. If you watched the debates so far, I think he’s the one who has consistently improved his performance. Perry (the other front runner) on the otherhand, has been erratic. Whoever wins is going to go up against the smear machine called the Democrat party. Obama is going to try to smooth talk his way during the debates and we need someone who can communicate. I think Romney is the only viable candidate who can take on Obama in a debate. And don’t underestimate the importance of presidential debates - they ruined Nixon, and they helped Reagan defeat Carter in '80, and hurt Gore’s chances against Bush.

Ishii
 
Hastrman said:
Paul is just too extreme (or actually, nutjob) to be viable.
And frankly, Obama would be less terrible for the country. I can see saying you couldn’t vote for him, since that would be in a sense to endorse his policies, but one may permit the lesser of two evils even though one may not actively advance it.
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As I see it, 3 things can/will force citizens to “behave”:

1.a majority of individuals choose to live by self-policing deep religious values (Santorum),
2. a meddling heavy handed socialist govt (Obama), or
3. advance-freedom-by-hands-off-and-let-people-struggle-to-deal-with-the-consequences-of-their-own-choices-even-if-those-choices-cause-pain libertarian and Ayn Rand style (Paul).

The strong religious values of our past are being continually weakened by the liberal media culture such that greater numbers of individuals have become more dependent on big govt. for support, so that wedges society toward #2 or #3 above. People want the freedom of #3, but also don’t want to be forced to pay for the less responsible free will choices of others of #2, but the media and church lay that good old collectivist guilt on us not to abandon #2, even though it IS increasingly apparent that more individuals cannot stay CLEAN in this dirty media culture. Santorum could be more popular if he can get women to see how they are being drawn farther from the true love that they seek by being objectified by this dirty media culture.
 
ishii said:
I voted for Romney. I know, he’s “establishment”, etc. If you watched the debates so far, I think he’s the one who has consistently improved his performance. Perry (the other front runner) on the otherhand, has been erratic. Whoever wins is going to go up against the smear machine called the Democrat party. Obama is going to try to smooth talk his way during the debates and we need someone who can communicate. I think Romney is the only viable candidate who can take on Obama in a debate. And don’t underestimate the importance of presidential debates - they ruined Nixon, and they helped Reagan defeat Carter in '80, and hurt Gore’s chances against Bush.

Ishii
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Well, we know that if Romney is the guy, Obama won’t go near Romneycare with a 10’ pole.
 
ManOnFire said:
As I see it, 3 things can/will force citizens to “behave”:

1.a majority of individuals choose to live by self-policing deep religious values (Santorum),
2. a meddling heavy handed socialist govt (Obama), or
3. advance-freedom-by-hands-off-and-let-people-struggle-to-deal-with-the-consequences-of-their-own-choices-even-if-those-choices-cause-pain libertarian and Ayn Rand style (Paul).

The strong religious values of our past are being continually weakened by the liberal media culture such that greater numbers of individuals have become more dependent on big govt. for support, so that wedges society toward #2 or #3 above. People want the freedom of #3, but also don’t want to be forced to pay for the less responsible free will choices of others of #2, but the media and church lay that good old collectivist guilt on us not to abandon #2, even though it IS increasingly apparent that more individuals cannot stay CLEAN in this dirty media culture. Santorum could be more popular if he can get women to see how they are being drawn farther from the true love that they seek by being objectified by this dirty media culture.
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#1 and #3 are not mutually exclusive.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
#1 and #3 are not mutually exclusive.
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Aaaand you admit you’ve never read Ayn Rand.

Also, Catholics cannot support a candidate who would give the states the right to legalize drugs and prostitution, any more than one who would give them the right to legalize slavery.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
#1 and #3 are not mutually exclusive.
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I agree. We can have all 3 (edit: well #2 only as far as minimally necessary) if we can clean up the culture to the point that less people are dragged down and held down by the liberal media culture that is creating MORE dependents by promoting irresponsible feelgoodism coupled with voting for “others” to pay for the results. It depends on whether the hearts of the people will continue to listen to the socialist media fantasies, or wake up to justice. The pop culture media is obviously more influential than the Church. Ron Paul and others realize that people are too suckered by the entertainment media to turn their collective backs, so the only other option is hands-off sink or swim in order to have true justice. Consideration of responsibility doesn’t get nearly the press that consideration of money gets.
 
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