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Semper_Zelare
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Fine, I’ll post one more time, just because SOOOOO many people are quoting me and asking me to respond.
I refuse to participate in a forum, where someone says “you defame the Popes” to me. I’m done with these forums. Maybe a mod will actually ban that poster for saying that. But, I’m not reporting them, because I know they won’t. The mods don’t care about me at all on here. I get insulted and called a religious bigot all the time. WELL ITS RIDICULOUS.
Not voting for someone because they aren’t a Christian is perfectly legitimate. It has nothing to do with hatred, and everything to do with it being a final straw kind of act. It’s something that I cannot do.
I harbor no hatred for Mormons. I have a Mormon friend, and IF I made a new friend who was Mormon, it wouldn’t affect our friendship.
However, I really doubt I’m going to making any friends at all any time soon. I lost all my friends because every single one of them were Evangelicals (I live in Alabama), and every single one of them hates Catholicism. Well, no, I won’t be friends with you still if you hate Catholicism, because that is who I am. If you hate the Catholic Church, you hate me. Period.
And, as I’m out of my depression, I have to listen to 5 odd people, maybe more, call me a religious bigot. I mean, that’s one thing, but to say that I defamed the Popes as bigots. That’s the final straw. That is a charge so evil, and so full of sin and Satan. That, I refuse to participate in this forum anymore. Nothings going to be done about it. And its entire substance is that of hatred directed at me. I’m through.
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Pork Roll:
So, we hope and pray that we don’t nominate Romney.
If we nominate Romney, then you’re right our options are few. I personally refuse to vote for someone who isn’t a Christian. I will never do that in my life. [The one and only exception will be a Jew, but that will be the only exception for the rest of my life].
So, you gotta choose between: vote for Romney, vote for someone else (3rd party), stay home
CMatt25:
No, if all the haters want to keep hating me. Well, I’m through. I hope they repent and change before they go to the place where hatred leads you.
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Yes, it looks like hatred continues to consume their hearts. I think I’ll abide by the words of His Holiness, Supreme Pontiff, Vicar of Christ, Bishop of Rome: Pope Benedict XVI, when he says that social networking and online communication shouldn’t replace face-to-face communication. He is right. None of the things you people type would ever be said to my face. (at least I hope you’re really not THAT hateful and rude… it is possible though…).
I WOULD NEVER say anything negative about the Popes. EVER. And, yet, that is what I’m accused of.
Well, to quote Pope Gregory VII: “Because I have loved Justice and hated Iniquity, therefore I die now in exile”.**
I refuse to participate in a forum, where someone says “you defame the Popes” to me. I’m done with these forums. Maybe a mod will actually ban that poster for saying that. But, I’m not reporting them, because I know they won’t. The mods don’t care about me at all on here. I get insulted and called a religious bigot all the time. WELL ITS RIDICULOUS.
Not voting for someone because they aren’t a Christian is perfectly legitimate. It has nothing to do with hatred, and everything to do with it being a final straw kind of act. It’s something that I cannot do.
I harbor no hatred for Mormons. I have a Mormon friend, and IF I made a new friend who was Mormon, it wouldn’t affect our friendship.
However, I really doubt I’m going to making any friends at all any time soon. I lost all my friends because every single one of them were Evangelicals (I live in Alabama), and every single one of them hates Catholicism. Well, no, I won’t be friends with you still if you hate Catholicism, because that is who I am. If you hate the Catholic Church, you hate me. Period.
And, as I’m out of my depression, I have to listen to 5 odd people, maybe more, call me a religious bigot. I mean, that’s one thing, but to say that I defamed the Popes as bigots. That’s the final straw. That is a charge so evil, and so full of sin and Satan. That, I refuse to participate in this forum anymore. Nothings going to be done about it. And its entire substance is that of hatred directed at me. I’m through.
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Pork Roll:
He may be preordained by the media and the Republican establishment, but he’s actually campaigning on VERY LITTLE. His message is very very weak. He’s a businessman, he knows the most about the economy… Is that really it? Anyways, Newt’s message and Santorum’s message are both WAY better than his. And, furthermore their economic policies are far more conservative.
So, we hope and pray that we don’t nominate Romney.
If we nominate Romney, then you’re right our options are few. I personally refuse to vote for someone who isn’t a Christian. I will never do that in my life. [The one and only exception will be a Jew, but that will be the only exception for the rest of my life].
So, you gotta choose between: vote for Romney, vote for someone else (3rd party), stay home
I’m glad to see that you are praying CMatt. That really gladdens my heart. On this, my highly likely to be last post on this forum.
No, if all the haters want to keep hating me. Well, I’m through. I hope they repent and change before they go to the place where hatred leads you.
**MY LAST EDIT
Yes, it looks like hatred continues to consume their hearts. I think I’ll abide by the words of His Holiness, Supreme Pontiff, Vicar of Christ, Bishop of Rome: Pope Benedict XVI, when he says that social networking and online communication shouldn’t replace face-to-face communication. He is right. None of the things you people type would ever be said to my face. (at least I hope you’re really not THAT hateful and rude… it is possible though…).
I WOULD NEVER say anything negative about the Popes. EVER. And, yet, that is what I’m accused of.
Well, to quote Pope Gregory VII: “Because I have loved Justice and hated Iniquity, therefore I die now in exile”.**
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rlg94086
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I’m confused. Are you giving up before the general election even gets started, or do you support Obama? I can’t keep my Democrat and Republican posters straight.
Either way, I will put a Romney sign in my yard and vote for the man. I pray that enough voters will come around and support him, so Obama is not re-elected. I’m certainly not going to listen to naysayers this early in the game.
Obama is going to be tough to beat. If folks don’t have the stomach to stand up to him, then we will slip further and further away.
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Raskolnikov
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Believe it or not, not everyone who doesn’t share your views was bullied or bribed into holding them. Some people sincerely, honestly believe things you don’t, an support politicians you don’t. I have a conservative father and a liberal mother, so I had to learn that early.
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rlg94086
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I agree. If I led anyone to think that, then I mis-posted. Did I say that people were bullied or bribed?
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bbarrick8383
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No I don’t think you did, but it’s not that people don’t have the stomach to stand up against Obama. It’s having the stomach to vote for McRomney is what’s getting them.
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Raskolnikov
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Well, rereading your post, if by “standing up to Obama,” you were referring exclusively to Republican(-ish) voters, then I suppose it might make sense. But I read it to mean everyone. I personally would just as soon want someone to stand up to Gingrich. Romney I could take or leave.
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Pork_Roll
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The fact we must explain why we believe that abortion, gay marriage and contraception are bad for society to nearly everyone makes me think we’ve already lost. But that’s another issue.
What worries me most about Romney is that he supports the NDAA where it takes due process away from u.s. citizens accused of terrorism, further taking us down the road of tyranny.
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rlg94086
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Well, that would be a “duh” moment, Raskolnikov.
Of course, I was referring to Republican voters! Please note the subject of this thread.
I fully expect, liberal, pro-choice, Democrat Catholics to vote for Obama. I wouldn’t expect them anything more from them.
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gamewell45
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Nonetheless, we’ll see what Nevada and Maine caucuses bring for the candidates.
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rlg94086
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No surprises expected there. Romney will win both without much of a fuss.
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ishii
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Praying for Obama? Are you happy with what Obama is forcing upon our Catholic hospitals - forcing them to provide for sterilizations, abortions, etc. ?
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rlg94086
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Well, I’m sorry to say that Ron Paul only received 7% of the vote today, and I do mean that. He needs a good showing to get a speaking spot at the convention. It’s not going to happen with those kind of numbers. I think he took 2nd to Romney in Nevada in 2008, so let’s hope he can have a mini-surge…No I don’t think you did, but it’s not that people don’t have the stomach to stand up against Obama. It’s having the stomach to vote for McRomney is what’s getting them.
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didymus
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The charge that Romney denied kosher food to Jewish retirees is a lie typical of Gingrich (or his super-pac).
Essentially nursing homes tried to cut costs by closing the extra kitchens necessary to prepare kosher food in-house and had it catered instead. See this article in Commentary.
I hope Newt and Mitt destroy each other, leaving the way open for Paul or failing that, Santorum.
Essentially nursing homes tried to cut costs by closing the extra kitchens necessary to prepare kosher food in-house and had it catered instead. See this article in Commentary.
I hope Newt and Mitt destroy each other, leaving the way open for Paul or failing that, Santorum.
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rlg94086
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Okay. That’s funny…I don’t care who you are…
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JJPeachum
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Not a pipedream at all. You claim to have viewed the article I posted regarding national polls pitting Ron Paul against Obama, in which, right now, he is only a few points behind. If the Republican Party threw their financial weight behind Paul, he would stand a very strong chance.
Here’s the problem: I have no idea what Romney would do, and neither does anyone else. He’s a businessman and a politician, and if violating freedom of conscience helped him ram the legislation through Congress, I’m not sure he’d balk at doing so. Again, though, I have no idea what Romney would do in this position, and neither does anyone else. I can tell you for a fact, though, that Dr. Paul would never let this happen. Ever.
If Ron Paul got the nomination, his campaign donations would rival Obama’s. Do you think the Republican party would honestly let Obama win to spite Paul? Furthermore, if Obama’s war chest makes a campaign against him insurmountable, why is anyone bothering at all?
I disagree with the latter part. Openly targeting Catholics and highlighting the “war on Catholicism” would practically win the election for Obama. There are enough people in this country who hate the Catholic Church that would thrill even at the phrase “war on Catholicism.” The key would be using Obama’s “war on Catholicism” to illustrate his repeated disregard for the Constitution and for the first amendment. Which candidate actually cares about the Constitution?
Why is he doing so poorly? I thought that was obvious. People like you who are parroting the message of major media outlets like CNN, CNBC and “Faux” News. People who insist, in spite of the facts, that Paul is a nobody who has no chance. Paul is constantly being ignored by the media: “Faux” News literally referred to Paul’s second place victory in New Hampshire as “not counting,” and declared Jon Huntsman the “real” second place winner, among many other times they have openly and deliberately ignored him; Paul has frequently and deliberately been short-changed on speaking time at the debates (in one instance, he was allowed to speak for 93 seconds in a 90 minute long debate.) I believe the Primary voters don’t really know Paul well at all, given the fact that his campaign only currently holds less than $2 million in funds which is paltry compared to Gingrich and Romney (as a side note, Romney’s top contributors are Goldman Sachs, Credit Suisse, and Morgan Stanley. Ron Paul’s? U.S. Army, U.S. Air Force, U.S. Navy.). While he hasn’t yet won a primary, he’s still ahead of Santorum in terms of delegates, and as the primaries move west, and Gingrich and Romney get nastier, he is sure to secure many more.
That is by no means settled. Mathematically speaking, Romney’s strength is currently at 000.34 out of 100, and in early polls, Ron Paul is overwhelmingly in the lead in both California and Texas, which alone would win him nearly a third of the delegates required for the nomination. Romney is almost last in both states, and is likely to remain so.
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Dan_Daly
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Very well put. “Conservatism” and “Liberalism” as used in modern American political discussion are both in fact Liberalism in the classic Catholic understanding of the word. Both are strongly rooted in the ideas of the so-called Enlightenment, and just have slightly different particulars.
Neo-Conservatism is an subset ideology that is found in the leadership of both the Democratic and Republican parties, along with allies in the government beuracracy, media, and industry.
Here is a good overview:
youtu.be/Zx1Jpxel-1k
That Rick Santorum holds many neo-Conservative positions is why he is a distant 2nd choice behind Ron Paul for me.
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_Abyssinia
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That is inaccurate. He had a consistent pro life record as governor. Even though he was a Republican governor in a liberal state he never flip flopped on the issue of same sex marriage.
Pro Life advocates in Massachusetts say Romney is sufficiently pro life. Pro life advocates in Florida say Romney is sufficiently pro life.
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AlwaysCurious
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Wouldn’t a speaking role (and influence on the party platform, etc.) depend more on delegate count than the percentage in any one state? Dr. Paul made it clear that he was skipping FL–if I heard correctly, he didn’t have a single paid staffer in the state–so that he could spend time and money in places where he could actually win delegates (the caucuses and smaller state primaries).
7% is a poor showing, but Gingrich got just as many delegates (0) from FL as Paul did, and spent a lot more money and time doing so. Romney won the state through sheer force of advertising dollars and one good debate performance.
I admit to not being a political expert so I am open to correction on all this. But it seems that Paul could end up being a kingmaker at the convention if the race between Romney and Gingrich does not result in a clear winner. And I think that Gingrich still stands a good chance of doing well in the other Southern states.
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rlg94086
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Good point. He may have calculated that the winner takes all states aren’t worth campaigning in.
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