Republican Primary

[kubark]

I really took a serious look at Santorum over the past couple weeks.

I’ve come to the conclusion that we’d end up with another George W. Bush.

His voting record while in Congress is dismal, supporting everything Bush put forth, which is why he was booted from congress by a large margine, by the people of his own state

I’m seriously thinking of voting for Ron Paul on Super Tuesday. Not that I think he has a chance of winning, but because I can’t vote for he rest of them.

Jim

Right on.

Santorum, Romney, and Gingrich and conservative in name only. They deliver smooth conservative rhetoric but their records are, as you put it, “dismal.” Santorum’s pro-life hypocrisy and his ignorance of the Constitution and world history is particularly painful to watch.

Team Obama knows that Ron Paul is his only threat come the general election. A Romney or Santorum or Gingrich is a dream come true for Obama in the general election.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yes indeed.

What we should never lose sight of, is that what’s going on here is first and foremost a quest for votes. Santorum, as the last under-scrutinized un-Romney standing, is trying to capitalize on the obvious distaste for Romney among GOP primary voters. This quest for votes should in no way be taken as an indication of a future policy thrust of a future Santorum administration. Because his message is aimed at social conservatives does not mean he will follow through on their agenda. It’s happened before. History tells us something. Santorum is also taking money from interests that have an altoghther different agenda than that of the “blue collar” Catholics he is appealing to now.

I believe follow the money is appropos. Thus, if Santorum gets elected, we will get an aggressive “bomb Iran” foreign policy and a corporatist economic agenda. IOW, as you said, another George W Bush agenda. The social conservatives will once again be left to wait their turn, something they have been doing almost 40 years now.

This is the problem that I have been saying with the GOP field all along. Ron Paul is not “Republican” enough for the GOP hardcore, whereas the rest of them are TOO “Republican” for the Independents and disenfranchised Democrats. So, what will probably happen is that you will have a GOP candidate who will attract the base, put off the middle and rally the hardcore left. Even most of the GOP is not wowed by the current selection, and talk gets louder every day about the possibility of a brokered convention where the party selects none of the above and puts a “surprise savior” on the ticket.

 

[nordskoven]

Yeah, I had to look up “syndicalist.” Unions running the show. SEIU thugs electioneering ring a bell? We aren’t “slipping” into fascism, we’re there, with the opening foray being the Democrat machine’s seizure of private property from poor people in Florida to give to developers. It’s the divine right of kingmakers versus we the people. Check chasers have long abandoned the rights of the poor for self-interest. Usurious interest rates for short-term loans, banks given immunity for illegal foreclosures, Wall Street money laundering through unregulated derivatives based on said usury bailed out at public expense, bankrupt social programs that will institutionalize abortion and euthanasia, and doling out or simply “losing” an untold fortune to the Military Industrial Complex Ike Eisenhower warned against.

This isn’t a political problem, it’s spiritual warfare. Our Lady of the Rosary urged us all to say the daily Rosary for peace. At Fatima, she gave as the “only” means to a period of peace the episcopal consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart in a solemn, public ceremony at every cathedral at one time. Vote for God. “The Lord wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart.” Purity of heart wins every time. Unleash the beast-buster. Personally, that means frequent confession to best emulate, and thereby honor, the Immaculate Heart. And the five First Saturdays of reparation to the Immaculate Heart: Confession, Mass, Communion, and 15 minutes with her, generally saying the Rosary.

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Yeah, I had to look up “syndicalist.” Unions running the show. SEIU thugs electioneering ring a bell? We aren’t “slipping” into fascism, we’re there, with the opening foray being the Democrat machine’s seizure of private property from poor people in Florida to give to developers. It’s the divine right of kingmakers versus we the people. Check chasers have long abandoned the rights of the poor for self-interest. Usurious interest rates for short-term loans, banks given immunity for illegal foreclosures, Wall Street money laundering through unregulated derivatives based on said usury bailed out at public expense, bankrupt social programs that will institutionalize abortion and euthanasia, and doling out or simply “losing” an untold fortune to the Military Industrial Complex Ike Eisenhower warned against.

This isn’t a political problem, it’s spiritual warfare. Our Lady of the Rosary urged us all to say the daily Rosary for peace. At Fatima, she gave as the “only” means to a period of peace the episcopal consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart in a solemn, public ceremony at every cathedral at one time. Vote for God. “The Lord wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart.” Purity of heart wins every time. Unleash the beast-buster. Personally, that means frequent confession to best emulate, and thereby honor, the Immaculate Heart. And the five First Saturdays of reparation to the Immaculate Heart: Confession, Mass, Communion, and 15 minutes with her, generally saying the Rosary.

I’ve been saying this for 2 years now. We are a fascist country, if you look at the definition of syndicalism. No one else I know uses that word. Good job researching!

Here is a post written by Loyola University Maryland professor of economics, Thomas DiLorenzo. I know many poopoo his credentials in the field of history, but he does have a PhD in Economic, so he can speak with some authority on this matter.

lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo85.html

 

[estesbob]

Here is a post written by Loyola University Maryland professor of economics, Thomas DiLorenzo. I know many poopoo his credentials in the field of history, but he does have a PhD in Economic, so he can speak with some authority on this matter.

lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo85.html

Actually I poopoo anything from Lew Rockwell.com

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Yes indeed.

What we should never lose sight of, is that what’s going on here is first and foremost a quest for votes. Santorum, as the last under-scrutinized un-Romney standing, is trying to capitalize on the obvious distaste for Romney among GOP primary voters. This quest for votes should in no way be taken as an indication of a future policy thrust of a future Santorum administration. Because his message is aimed at social conservatives does not mean he will follow through on their agenda. It’s happened before. History tells us something. Santorum is also taking money from interests that have an altoghther different agenda than that of the “blue collar” Catholics he is appealing to now.

I believe follow the money is appropos. Thus, if Santorum gets elected, we will get an aggressive “bomb Iran” foreign policy and a corporatist economic agenda. IOW, as you said, another George W Bush agenda. The social conservatives will once again be left to wait their turn, something they have been doing almost 40 years now.

Most social conservatives. But I’m sure the social conservatives in the deep south will be quite pleased if we have another GWB.

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Yeah, I had to look up “syndicalist.” Unions running the show. SEIU thugs electioneering ring a bell? We aren’t “slipping” into fascism, we’re there, with the opening foray being the Democrat machine’s seizure of private property from poor people in Florida to give to developers. It’s the divine right of kingmakers versus we the people. Check chasers have long abandoned the rights of the poor for self-interest. Usurious interest rates for short-term loans, banks given immunity for illegal foreclosures, Wall Street money laundering through unregulated derivatives based on said usury bailed out at public expense, bankrupt social programs that will institutionalize abortion and euthanasia, and doling out or simply “losing” an untold fortune to the Military Industrial Complex Ike Eisenhower warned against.

This isn’t a political problem, it’s spiritual warfare. Our Lady of the Rosary urged us all to say the daily Rosary for peace. At Fatima, she gave as the “only” means to a period of peace the episcopal consecration of Russia to her Immaculate Heart in a solemn, public ceremony at every cathedral at one time. Vote for God. “The Lord wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart.” Purity of heart wins every time. Unleash the beast-buster. Personally, that means frequent confession to best emulate, and thereby honor, the Immaculate Heart. And the five First Saturdays of reparation to the Immaculate Heart: Confession, Mass, Communion, and 15 minutes with her, generally saying the Rosary.

Good post.Although I wouldn’t say unions “running the show” is necessarily the problem, but the way they are running the show–liberal, class warfare agenda serving their own interests. So yeah, kind of the same thing.

 

[catharina]

Santorum spars with Obama on faith, Romney on Olympics resume

foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/18/santorum-questions-obamas-christian-values-romneys-olympics-leadership/#ixzz1mqOfA500

"COLUMBUS, Ohio – White House candidate Rick Santorum on Saturday questioned President Obama’s Christian values and attacked GOP rival Mitt Romney’s Olympics leadership as he courted tea party activists and evangelical voters in Ohio, “ground zero” in the 2012 nomination fight.

Santorum, a former Pennsylvania senator known for his social conservative policies, said that Obama’s agenda is "not about you. It’s not about your quality of life. It’s not about your jobs. It’s about some phony ideal. Some phony theology. Not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology.

… One of Mitt Romney’s greatest accomplishments, one of the things he talks about most is how he heroically showed up on the scene and bailed out and resolved the problems of the Salt Lake City Olympic Games," Santorum said. “He heroically bailed out the Salt Lake City Olympic Games by heroically going to Congress and asking them for tens of millions of dollars to bail out the Salt Lake games – in an earmark, in an earmark for the Salt Lake Olympic games.”

The Romney campaign does not dispute that congressional earmarks helped save the games. But they noted that Santorum voted for those earmarks, among many others, when he was a senator. …"

 

[gilliam]

Santorum knows more about Iran than any of the current Republican candidates. Yes, he is more of a hard liner, but Iran hasn’t exactly responded positively to Obama’s approach (unless your goal is a nuclear Iran, the destruction of Israel or both).

I don’t think Santorum is anything like GWB.

I would be very, very surprised if Santorum won the Republican nomination though. In fact, I would be very, very surprised if anyone but Romney got it. The forces and money are all on Romney’s side. It’s just the rank and file GOP who are not. (not just the hard liners, but the vast majority of the GOP rank and file.) Romney hasn’t sold himself. And when he went negative, he lost respect. There just isn’t anyone else.

 

[gilliam]

For those talking about Santorum and Iran, here are the facts on his position:
ricksantorum.com/response-iran

 

[ishii]

Yes indeed.

What we should never lose sight of, is that what’s going on here is first and foremost a quest for votes. Santorum, as the last under-scrutinized un-Romney standing, is trying to capitalize on the obvious distaste for Romney among GOP primary voters. This quest for votes should in no way be taken as an indication of a future policy thrust of a future Santorum administration. Because his message is aimed at social conservatives does not mean he will follow through on their agenda. It’s happened before. History tells us something. Santorum is also taking money from interests that have an altoghther different agenda than that of the “blue collar” Catholics he is appealing to now.

I believe follow the money is appropos. Thus, if Santorum gets elected, we will get an aggressive “bomb Iran” foreign policy and a corporatist economic agenda. IOW, as you said, another George W Bush agenda. The social conservatives will once again be left to wait their turn, something they have been doing almost 40 years now.

This election is about defeating Obama who has demonstrated his hostility to the Catholic church and to freedom of religion. Any of the GOP candidates would be a vast improvement over him. If you think Santorum would abandon social conservatives, then you don’t know Santorum.

Ishii

 

[ishii]

I really took a serious look at Santorum over the past couple weeks.

I’ve come to the conclusion that we’d end up with another George W. Bush.

His voting record while in Congress is dismal, supporting everything Bush put forth, which is why he was booted from congress by a large margine, by the people of his own state

I’m seriously thinking of voting for Ron Paul on Super Tuesday. Not that I think he has a chance of winning, but because I can’t vote for he rest of them.

Jim

Fine, vote for Paul in the primary, just remember what the priority is when we get to the general election - which is defeating Obama - and that not voting for the eventual GOP nominee will help Obama win.

Ishii

 

[JimR-OCDS]

For those talking about Santorum and Iran, here are the facts on his position:
ricksantorum.com/response-iran

Gee, after reaing Santorum’s policy toward Iran, it’s clear that US policy would be based on what’s good for Israel, rather than what is moral and just.

Makes me want to pray that Santorum doen’t become our next president.

Jim

 

[bbarrick8383]

Santorum knows more about Iran than any of the current Republican candidates.

Where/when did he become a foreign policy expert on Iran?

 

[Swiss_Guy]

Fine, vote for Paul in the primary, just remember what the priority is when we get to the general election - which is defeating Obama - and that not voting for the eventual GOP nominee will help Obama win.

Ishii

Exactly.

 

[_Abyssinia]

Polarization and the Independents

*An ever smaller number of swing voters will decide the presidential election. *

weeklystandard.com/articles/polarization-and-independents_626643.html

 

[ishii]

Exactly.

Thanks. I can understand people having problems with Santorum’s stand on different issues such as Iran/Israel middle east or spending. I just hope that come November - when the choice is between electing a flawed GOP guy and re-electing the anti-Catholic Obama - that they do the right thing.

Ishii

 

[bellasbane]

Fine, vote for Paul in the primary, just remember what the priority is when we get to the general election - which is defeating Obama - and that not voting for the eventual GOP nominee will help Obama win.

Ishii

That’s a Faustian bargain if you ask me. People should vote based on their principles.

If your principles are so far out of the mainstream that the candidate who best represents you would never will an election, then perhaps you should reexamine your principles and decide whether the word “radical” accurately applies to you.

Then you need to decide if your radicalism is worth the fight, even if it means loosing some battles along the way. The truth of the matter is that none of the Republican candidates will win against Obama in 2012. Ron Paul and Santorum are too “radical”. Romney can’t even impress his own base - why would an independent voter in the general election vote for him? Gingrich will never overcome his unfavorable ratings - people don’t forget that easily. A “brokered” convention would leave the “new” GOP candidate only 2 or 3 months to campaign. That’s just not enough time.

So if you’re going to loose - at least loose with integrity. That’s what I say to any voter. Vote for the candidate who best represents your principles and hope that in doing so you will make a statement the rest of the nation will at least pay attention to. I think that has been Ron Paul’s position since the very beginning - and look at the progress he’s made even though he always looses. He takes the long view, keeps at it and makes progress. I respect him for that.

 

[gilliam]

Where/when did he become a foreign policy expert on Iran?

He served on the Senate Armed Services Committee for 8 years; he is the author of the Iran Freedom and Support Act, which imposed sanctions on the Iranian regime and authorized $100 million in annual funding for pro-democracy movements within Iran; and, he is the
author of the Syria Accountability Act to combat the threat Syria posed to Israel.

Of those left, he has studied the issue more.

 

[Josephene]

catholicvote.org/discuss/index.php?p=27057&cpage=2#comments - on Santorum’s charitbale donations , higher tax bracket , expenses from upcoming college educations for the children , medical expenses for Bella etc .

Likely that the candidate would have had the intention to be more generous in this area , at a later phase in his life …and may be also considered his efforts and time, in the cause of issues that serve The Church as also contributions in one sense !

Having heard how scriptures mention that those with two coats are to share one, which is like a charitable donation of 50 % , likely that most people are culplable in this area.

True, tithing is an act of trusting in The Lord …have heard testimonies on how the best reward from tithing is sometimes a deepening of faith …with less worry about finances , less likelihood even , of getting into foolish investments - provided , the donations were done , with the right attitude of gratitude and not to furthur or even secure one’s place in an earthly power structure .

The lower levels of tithing of the Catholic candidates thus have a silver lining , in the sense that they can repent and make reparations , which , in turn could help them , to be better in their grasp of the wisdom that The Church grants , in policy issues as well and to have more trust in The Lord , being able to discern how to garner that strenght , esp. in all areas of conflict !

Hope that many who hear about this issue , would even think about making reparations too - by donating a little extra , to the many good causes that The Church supports !

If so , this too would serve good !

He has already admiited how he too is growing in his commitment and trust in The Lord , like most persons ; this would serve , hopefully as an area of same that is easily remediable , for all the benefits that would come with it !