Republican senator announces support for gay marriage

[catholicbuch]

It’s right to be ‘bigoted’ against homosexuality and transexuality (which is worse) just as it’s right to be ‘bigoted’ against cocaina smoking. Harvey B. Milk’s homosexual statutory rape victim turned out gay and his victim committed suicide in 1980 when he was 32/33. It’s undebatable truth that if a person’s a victim of childhood sex abuse, then it’s more likely he or she will do gay/lesbian conduct repeating what he learned. Many gay child molesters were victims of homosexual rapes when they were . There could be other causes which haven’t been conclusively proven such as genes, but if that’s true then the gay gene would be the same thing as a cancer or heart attack gene. We should work to find a cure for the gay gene if indeed this is true.

 

[scipio337]

Public schools are made up of the “public”. In America, we have a separation of Church and State. Render to Caesar what is his and to God what is His.

Parents of children need to be the teachers of their children and remain strong in their faith. You can live in this world and not be of this world. If you are content in your own fishbowl, then so be it. You are right, there is no discussion on gay marriage and you have sighted many references. We, as in those who are of the Christian faith, know the rules on gay marriage. It is not to be and that’s it. However, in society, there are different laws, civil laws which do allow homosexuals to form a legal union. You may choose to swim around your bowl and watch the world go by. Jesus taught his apostles to be fishers of men. With your hit em over the head ideals, you won’t get many jumping into your fishbowl to hear what you have to say.

Parents have options if they do not want their child in public schools.

So just to be clear, it’s okay to enforce Catholic social doctrine when it comes to administering to the poor, immigration, taxation, fair wages, etc… as a part of public, legal policy, but we are supposed to look the other way when it comes to abortion, same sex marriage, the HHS mandate because “hey, religion is a personal choice, and we can’t force that on others”?

Is that really being “in the world, but not of the world”?

If we take the “I believe…but I won’t impose it” position, our religiosity is not morally meaningful. If an act is moral or immoral only for us, then it is not moral or immoral. Either something is immoral for everyone (in the same circumstance) or it is not immoral.

Only when Catholicism agrees with issues like taxation, social doctrine, immigration, etc, can it be imposed, and not considered “theocracy”. When his Catholicism does not agree with their position, it is reduced to being a matter of personal faith, no more binding on non-Catholics than receiving the Eucharist.

 

[Julianna]

It’s right to be ‘bigoted’ against homosexuality and transexuality (which is worse) just as it’s right to be ‘bigoted’ against cocaina smoking. Harvey B. Milk’s homosexual statutory rape victim turned out gay and his victim committed suicide in 1980 when he was 32/33. It’s undebatable truth that if a person’s a victim of childhood sex abuse, then it’s more likely he or she will do gay/lesbian conduct repeating what he learned. Many gay child molesters were victims of homosexual rapes when they were . There could be other causes which haven’t been conclusively proven such as genes, but if that’s true then the gay gene would be the same thing as a cancer or heart attack gene. We should work to find a cure for the gay gene if indeed this is true.

Is this a broad brush opinion statement? Source? Facts? Not one of the 3 kids I taught at the Catholic School were victims of rape or abuse by a homosexual or a heterosexual.

Was Dick Cheney’s daughter, Newts sister…were they victims of rape by a homosexual? Was Anderson Cooper, Ellen DeGeneres, surely that info would have been made public by now,

A pedophile is a pedophile, rape is rape. Rape is not about sex, it is about violence and control.

 

[catholicbuch]

Harvey B. Milk has been discussed here with even Catholics who see nothing wrong with a Harvey B. Milk day in California public schools. If Julianna is reading this, would like to know if she sees something wrong with Harvey B. Milk.

If homosexual groups want to honor Harvey Bernard MIlk, then that’s 1 thing but forcing public schools to honor him is bad esp. when the fact about Harvey Bernard Milk being a statutory rapist gets minor coverage. Harvey Bernard Milk in 1964 committed statutory rape on a teenage boy (the boy committed suicide i 1980) but H.B. Milk was never prosecuted for it.

Daniel James (DJ) White was a decorated Vietnam War Veteran who served in the San Francisco Police & Fire Department. DJ White once saved the life of a woman & her baby from a burning building when he was a fireman. Dan James White isn’t so bad as people make him out to be & his victim Harvey B. Milk isn’t some1 who I mourn. Harvey B. should’ve been convicted & jailed for felony statutory rape in 1964 & lost his right to vote.

 

[Julianna]

So just to be clear, it’s okay to enforce Catholic social doctrine when it comes to administering to the poor, immigration, taxation, fair wages, etc… as a part of public, legal policy, but we are supposed to look the other way when it comes to abortion, same sex marriage, the HHS madate because “hey, religion is a personal choice, and we can’t force that on others”?

Is that really being “in the world, but not of the world”?

If we take the “I believe…but I won’t impose it” position, our religiosity is not morally meaningful. If an act is moral or immoral only for us, then it is not moral or immoral. Either something is immoral for everyone (in the same circumstance) or it is not immoral.

Only when Catholicism agrees with issues like taxation, social doctrine, immigration, etc, can it be imposed, and not considered “theocracy”. When his Catholicism does not agree with their position, it is reduced to being a matter of personal faith, no more binding on non-Catholics than receiving the Eucharist.

Never said look the other way when it comes to abortion. Did any of you people tearing me up read my “tag line”? Really? You want to stop Planned Parenthood, close down abortion mills…build a Maternity Home safe house for women with unexpected, unplanned pregnancies RIGHT NEXT DOOR. I have stated this on CAF many times. I am very familiar with adoption. As it was the “life” option for my daughter when she became pregnant several years ago. Yes, her friends and the sperm donor told her to get an abortion. But she “knew” better. My husband and I said to her, "This child DESERVES “LIFE”, now give this child “quality” of life, by placing this child into the arms of a family of YOUR choice.

Let’s end this ever so quizzical inquisition regarding my views on abortion. My daughter chose OPEN adoption, she picked the parents. And some of you will be happy to know that she chose the ONLY Catholic parents in the list of bios given to her by the adoption agency. Imagine that. The Holy Spirit works wonders.

Positive change, my friends comes from “within”, not outside in. This child is now a happy, healthy 7 yr old. with loving parents and a huge extended family of cousins, aunts, uncles…etc. My daughter visits this child once a year. I have seen him twice. I placed that little guy in the arms of his mother in the hospital.

 

[Seeker1961]

Is this a broad brush opinion statement? Source? Facts? Not one of the 3 kids I taught at the Catholic School were victims of rape or abuse by a homosexual or a heterosexual.

Was Dick Cheney’s daughter, Newts sister…were they victims of rape by a homosexual? Was Anderson Cooper, Ellen DeGeneres, surely that info would have been made public by now,

A pedophile is a pedophile, rape is rape. Rape is not about sex, it is about violence and control.

It’s always fascinating to me that the only people who know all these gay people who were victims of rape or abuse are people who are against gay people getting married. I knew ONE person in my entire life who had anything in their life that could be considered abuse. And I’ve lived in the gay community since the 1980’s. I did know a woman who was given electroshock therapy to “cure” her, and I knew more than one person that spent time in “therapy camps” to “cure” them. Interestingly, they are the most radical gay people I know.

I always have to struggle when this gets brought up because I had the most wonderful parents who never did anything that could be considered even close to abuse. A father who loved me just as I was until the day he died and a mother who loves me still. Reading these statements that “of course, gay people are gay because they were abused” is an insult to them.

 

[scipio337]

That is a wonderful story, thank you! Sorry, I tried not to single out abortion, but meant those types of issues in general. The argument would mostly apply to same sex marriage, as you appear to support the legal recognition, from the stand point of “separation of church and state”.

Is it okay to enforce Catholic social doctrine when it comes to administering to the poor, immigration, taxation, fair wages, etc… as a part of public, legal policy, but we are supposed to look the other way when it comes to other issues, or somehow differentiate between public policy, and personally held beliefs?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Yes, because a relationship between two consenting adults is EXACTLY the same as raping a child…

Yes because the psychiatric experts will challenge you to define the context of “consent”.

Most of the loving things adults subject children to are not with the child’s consent - no?

They have learn “love” - no?

After all, they’re old enough to learn about sexual identity based on their desires with the same-sex/transgender agenda now being instilled by public schools -no? Is that with their consent?

Why not learn it from a loving adult in an intimate setting? What could be more “natural” and “healthy” than that?

See where this insanity is going?

 

[catholicbuch]

…: Rape is not about sex, it is about violence and control.

Wrong.** I’ve been to many rape trials **& read a book by Randy Thornhill & Craig T. Palmer surrounding rape. Professor Thornhill is an evolutionary biologist while C.T. Palmer is an anthropologist. The fact is that rape is a crime motivated by sex. Any1 who says that rapists don’t do it for sexual motives is dishonest, delsuional or both. Here are some facts surrounding rape.

1. Rapes are found in the animal world. They’re found amongst insects such as crickets, waterstriders, scorpion flies, etc. They’re found amongst birds such as mallard ducks & red jungle fowl. They’re also found amongst primates such as Orangutans. Males rape females for reproductive reasons in the animal world. A male who has problem getting females (such as males who lose mate fights) rape females so as to reproduce.
2. Rapists mainly target young women. While rapists can attack women of all ages, most rapists go after women who are18 to 35 years old. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last years of prettiest. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman’s chances of getting raped starts going down significantly. If a man robs a 45 year old woman, he’ll take her money. But if the same man robs a 25 year old woman, then he is more likely to commit rape in addition to robbery. This is true in wars. Soldiers who win a war steal, loot & rape young women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force or by threatening force.
3. Most rapists don’t do added violence. This is esp. true of acquaintance rapes-date & marital. If a man rapes a woman, he’ll use the force or threat of this to get sex. It’s like a bank robber. Most bank robbers will only use the needed force or threat to get the $ & then leave. Another reason most rapists don’t use added violence is because of biology related to reproductive success. In the animal world, if a male kills a female in addition to sex, then his reproductive success has failed. Yes, some rapists do kill their victims just as some robbers kill their victims, but these are in the minority & the most likely reason is to kill any witnesses.
4. Poor men are more likely to commit rape. Yes, rich men sometimes commit rape if they lack sex restraint. However the reason poor men are more likely to commit rape (with most of their victims poor women) is because poor men are more likely to have problems getting women. Women are drawn to men based on the man’s phoenotype (good genes) & resources that a man has. Poor men are more likely to have problems getting women who are interested in them & they may not even be willing to pay a prostitute. So they resort to rape for their sexual motives. In the animal world, males have to impress females such as win mate fights, provide nuptial gifts such as food to impress the females. If the females aren’t impressed, then some males rape so as to reproduce.

Anyhow, the fact is that rape is a crime motivated by sex. Rapists motives are sexual & todeny this is rubbish. 84% of rapists say that sex is a main motive. Power which is force or threat of force is a means to get sex. Rapists mainly go after fertile women because this is who they want to have sex with & are attracted to.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

rape is rape darlin’ Punishment fits the crime. Although some escaped their punishment…for whatever reason.

Define “consent” darlin’

 

[Seeker1961]

Yes because the psychiatric experts will challenge you to define the context of “consent”.

Most of the loving things adults subject children to are not with the child’s consent - no?

They have learn “love” - no?

After all, they’re old enough to learn about sexual identity based on their desires with the same-sex/transgender agenda now being instilled by public schools -no? Is that with their consent?

Why not learn it from a loving adult in an intimate setting? What could be more “natural” and “healthy” than that?

See where this insanity is going?

I see where YOU think it’s going…but clearly you have a reason to take it there. The rest of the world puts that argument just slightly above the one about consenting animals and walks away.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

A pedophile is a pedophile, rape is rape. Rape is not about sex, it is about violence and control.

Define “consent”.

Define “consenting age”.

Define “rape”.

Define “sexual orientation”.

Then define Pederasty.

 

[Seeker1961]

So just to be clear, it’s okay to enforce Catholic social doctrine when it comes to administering to the poor, immigration, taxation, fair wages, etc… as a part of public, legal policy, but we are supposed to look the other way when it comes to abortion, same sex marriage, the HHS mandate because “hey, religion is a personal choice, and we can’t force that on others”?

Is that really being “in the world, but not of the world”?

If we take the “I believe…but I won’t impose it” position, our religiosity is not morally meaningful. If an act is moral or immoral only for us, then it is not moral or immoral. Either something is immoral for everyone (in the same circumstance) or it is not immoral.

Only when Catholicism agrees with issues like taxation, social doctrine, immigration, etc, can it be imposed, and not considered “theocracy”. When his Catholicism does not agree with their position, it is reduced to being a matter of personal faith, no more binding on non-Catholics than receiving the Eucharist.

The argument for helping the poor, giving the immigrant citizenship, taxation and wages can be made purely from an economic base. You might not agree with the theory, but you don’t need to bring religion into at all for it to be viable.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

I see where YOU think it’s going…but clearly you have a reason to take it there. The rest of the world puts that argument just slightly above the one about consenting animals and walks away.

Really?

Group of psychiatrists wants to redefine pedophilia to promote tolerance

Oh and, how many good and bad things do we subject animals to on a daily basis … against their will?

Why not “love” them as well?

Why not have that “love” recognized and validated by society?

 

[jonsonvalley]

…Rape is not about sex, it is about violence and control.

Wrong. I’ve been to many rape trials. Read a book by Randy Thornhill & Craig T. Palmer surrounding rape. Professor Thornhill is an evolutionary biologist while C.T. Palmer is an anthropologist. The fact is that rape is a crime motivated by sex. Any1 who says that rapists don’t do it for sexual motives is dishonest, delusional or both. Here are some facts surrounding rape.

1. Rapes are found in the animal world. They’re found amongst insects such as crickets, waterstriders, scorpion flies, etc. They’re found amongst birds such as mallard ducks & red jungle fowl. They’re also found amongst primates such as Orangutans. Males rape females for reproductive reasons in the animal world. A male who has problem getting females (such as males who lose mate fights) rape females so as to reproduce.
2. Rapists mainly target young women.While rapists can attack women of all ages, most rapists go after women who are girls to 35 years old. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last years of prettiest. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman’s chances of getting raped starts going down significantly. If a man robs a 45 year old woman, he’ll take her money. But if the same man robs a 25 year old woman, then he is more likely to commit rape in addition to robbery. This is true in wars. Soldiers who win a war steal, loot & rape young women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force or by threatening force.
3. Most rapists don’t do added violence. This is esp. true of acquaintance rapes-date & marital. If a man rapes a woman, he’ll use the force or threat of this to get sex. It’s like a bank robber. Most bank robbers will only use the needed force or threat to get the $ & then leave. Another reason most rapists don’t use added violence is because of biology related to reproductive success. In the animal world, if a male kills a female in addition to sex, then his reproductive success has failed. Yes, some rapists do kill their victims just as some robbers kill their victims, but these are in the minority & the most likely reason is to kill any witnesses.
4. Poor men are more likely to commit rape. Yes, rich men sometimes commit rape if they lack sex restraint. However the reason poor men are more likely to commit rape (with most of their victims poor women) is because poor men are more likely to have problems getting women. Women are drawn to men based on the man’s phoenotype (good genes) & resources that a man has. Poor men are more likely to have problems getting women who are interested in them & they may not even be willing to pay a prostitute. So they resort to rape for their sexual motives. In the animal world, males have to impress females such as win mate fights, provide nuptial gifts such as food to impress the females. If the females aren’t impressed, then some males rape so as to reproduce.

Rapists motives are sexual & to say that rape is about power but not sex is rubbish. 84% of rapists say that sex is a main motive. Power which is force or threat of force is a means to get sex. Rapists mainly go after fertile women because this is who they want to have sex with & are attracted to.

 

[scipio337]

The argument for helping the poor, giving the immigrant citizenship, taxation and wages can be made purely from an economic base. You might not agree with the theory, but you don’t need to bring religion into at all for it to be viable.

And the same could be said from a societal standpoint regarding this issue.

So it is okay to claim your Catholic faith compells you to support state economic issues, but not on social issues?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

The argument for helping the poor, giving the immigrant citizenship, taxation and wages can be made purely from an economic base. You might not agree with the theory, but you don’t need to bring religion into at all for it to be viable.

No, not really.

Left to pure economics: the poor, the immigrants, the transients, the disabled, the elderly and their tremendous healthcare costs, and whatever else, should be eliminated for the greater good.

It is only a recognition of a Creator that gives any of them worth. Or are you not familiar with the human history of the 20th century?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

The argument for helping the poor, giving the immigrant citizenship, taxation and wages can be made purely from an economic base. You might not agree with the theory, but you don’t need to bring religion into at all for it to be viable.

Seeker - Hitler, Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong are on line one. They want to speak with you.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Wrong. I’ve been to many rape trials. Read a book by Randy Thornhill & Craig T. Palmer surrounding rape. Professor Thornhill is an evolutionary biologist while C.T. Palmer is an anthropologist. The fact is that rape is a crime motivated by sex. Any1 who says that rapists don’t do it for sexual motives is dishonest, delusional or both. Here are some facts surrounding rape.

1. Rapes are found in the animal world. They’re found amongst insects such as crickets, waterstriders, scorpion flies, etc. They’re found amongst birds such as mallard ducks & red jungle fowl. They’re also found amongst primates such as Orangutans. Males rape females for reproductive reasons in the animal world. A male who has problem getting females (such as males who lose mate fights) rape females so as to reproduce.
2. Rapists mainly target young women.While rapists can attack women of all ages, most rapists go after women who are girls to 35 years old. 75% of women who are raped are under 30 years old, 10 to 12% of women raped are 30 to 35 years old, 7 to 9% 36 to 39 year old, with 5 to 8% of women rape victims being 40 or older with most in this group in their 40s, the last years of prettiest. Menopausal women, those 50 & older make up 1 to 2% of rape victims. After 40, the woman’s chances of getting raped starts going down significantly. If a man robs a 45 year old woman, he’ll take her money. But if the same man robs a 25 year old woman, then he is more likely to commit rape in addition to robbery. This is true in wars. Soldiers who win a war steal, loot & rape young women. Men rape young women because the woman has something which the man wants & that is sex-which he takes by force or by threatening force.
3. Most rapists don’t do added violence. This is esp. true of acquaintance rapes-date & marital. If a man rapes a woman, he’ll use the force or threat of this to get sex. It’s like a bank robber. Most bank robbers will only use the needed force or threat to get the $ & then leave. Another reason most rapists don’t use added violence is because of biology related to reproductive success. In the animal world, if a male kills a female in addition to sex, then his reproductive success has failed. Yes, some rapists do kill their victims just as some robbers kill their victims, but these are in the minority & the most likely reason is to kill any witnesses.
4. Poor men are more likely to commit rape. Yes, rich men sometimes commit rape if they lack sex restraint. However the reason poor men are more likely to commit rape (with most of their victims poor women) is because poor men are more likely to have problems getting women. Women are drawn to men based on the man’s phoenotype (good genes) & resources that a man has. Poor men are more likely to have problems getting women who are interested in them & they may not even be willing to pay a prostitute. So they resort to rape for their sexual motives. In the animal world, males have to impress females such as win mate fights, provide nuptial gifts such as food to impress the females. If the females aren’t impressed, then some males rape so as to reproduce.

Rapists motives are sexual & to say that rape is about power but not sex is rubbish. 84% of rapists say that sex is a main motive. Power which is force or threat of force is a means to get sex. Rapists mainly go after fertile women because this is who they want to have sex with & are attracted to.

Ouch!

So the parallel rationale and reasoning would be an easier case to make than I even realized.

 

[utah_rose]

We all have known people who do all sorts of things. Tax cheats, adulterers, pornography viewers, and much more. Some are polite, some are related to us, some would loan you money or give you a ride to work, but none of that would change our view on the immorality of these acts. No matter the emotional tie.

We can still love our kids but NOT change our principles. For example, two unmarried adults living together without marriage. We can love our child but for example not let them both sleep at your home. We had to do that with our daughter, and for awhile there was no communication, but at the end she respected our views, and did eventually get married.

This senator instead is showing that principles can change depending on what is going on in their family. There may be an initial resentment or anger, but showing the right way to live will hopefully touch his son.

By the way, I saw nothing in these news report that the son wanted to get married in a same sex ceremony.