Republican senator announces support for gay marriage

[fix]

I’ll do you one better, I’ll gladly welcome you to my state where Catholic Charities was swiftly ran out of the adoption business recently by the state’s massive financial penalties brought on by the Church’s refusal to adopt children to gay couples. So now the 20% of all adoptions that the Church provided have simply been vanquish.

Apparently the children aren’t as important as the Left’s political agenda.

The future on this issue isn’t exactly difficult to predict. The political trajectory is already entrenched. It’s only a matter of time.

Good point. The agenda is the important thing to these people.

 

[LisaA]

Seems like there is some selfishness on both sides. Both sides want it their way or no way.

However, what is going to have to happen is both sides are going to have to learn how to co-exist, just like they did with divorce.

Right, it’s selfish to want to be able to live your faith in peace. It’s selfish to express your first amendment rights and say you believe in traditional marriage without having your business picketed. It’s selfish not to want a homosexual Scoutmaster to take your ten year old boy camping…yeah right.

The way homosexuals fight to protect a sexual activity is truly bizarre. I can think of no analogy with respect to any other behavior. They are worshipping the false god of their nether regions

Lisa

 

[Seeker1961]

I’ll do you one better, I’ll gladly welcome you to my state where Catholic Charities was swiftly ran out of the adoption business recently by the state’s massive financial penalties brought on by the Church’s refusal to adopt children to gay couples. So now the 20% of all adoptions that the Church provided have simply been vanquish.

Apparently the children aren’t as important as the Left’s political agenda.

The future on this issue isn’t exactly difficult to predict. The political trajectory is already entrenched. It’s only a matter of time.

Catholic Charities CHOSE to get out of the adoption business because they CHOSE to follow a higher law. People who follow Catholic teaching make those choices every day-there are lots of things that are legal that we do not do because we are Catholic. We don’t have abortions, we don’t get divorced and we don’t marry people of the same gender.

And those adoptions didn’t vanish, someone else took them over who didn’t care about the gender of the couples. In my state, we have laws to keep even opposite sex couples from getting benefits without marriage, but gay people can adopt.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Right, it’s selfish to want to be able to live your faith in peace. It’s selfish to express your first amendment rights and say you believe in traditional marriage without having your business picketed. It’s selfish not to want a homosexual Scoutmaster to take your ten year old boy camping…yeah right.

The way homosexuals fight to protect a sexual activity is truly bizarre. I can think of no analogy with respect to any other behavior. They are worshipping the false god of their nether regions

Lisa

I’m not aware of any new scientific discovery that suddenly rendered the disordered and dangerous act of sodomy into a “natural” “healthy” and functional part of our intended design.

And I’m not aware of any new discoveries that have suddenly revealed that the two genders are suddenly and magically interchangeable.

 

[Seeker1961]

What new discovery made the observable dysfunction of homosexuality suddenly “normal” and “natural”?

And how can you deny all the other dysfunctional relationships their “civil rights”?

What does any of that have to do with what I wrote?

Or what LisaA wrote?

If you want to make a point, just make it.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Catholic Charities CHOSE to get out of the adoption business because they CHOSE to follow a higher law.

Oh really? Catholic Charities “chose” the financial penalties enacted by the state?

Just like the honest merchants who “chose” to pay Al Capone for his mandatory “protection”?

That’s so cute it’s just plain sick in it’s disingenuous reasoning.

And those adoptions didn’t vanish, someone else took them over who didn’t care about the gender of the couples.

Really? Who? Who picked up the slack?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

What does any of that have to do with what I wrote?

Or what LisaA wrote?

If you want to make a point, just make it.

I thought I just did.

I’m addressing the overall insane basis for this entire same-sex-is-now-perfectly “normal” fallacy.

Here it is again:

What new discovery made the observable dysfunction of homosexuality suddenly “normal” and “natural”?

And how can you deny all the other dysfunctional relationships their “civil rights”?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Here’s the larger point in here:

I’m not aware of any new scientific discovery that suddenly rendered the disordered and dangerous act of sodomy into a “natural” “healthy” and functional part of our intended design.

And I’m not aware of any new discoveries that have suddenly revealed that the two genders are suddenly and magically interchangeable.

 

[InSearchofGrace]

Seeker the problem with your theory that you are not advocating changing church teaching is that no one thinks that is what you are doing anyway. You have spoken only of the secular and civil arrangements. You have provided exactly zero evidence that Church teaching is in dispute. So that strawman burned quickly.

**What you fail to address is that it WILL impact our Church and other religious organizations, and not for the better. As Cor Cordis noted, the real impact will be the dimunition of religious liberty, whether intended by all homosexual marriage advocates or not.

I’ve already given numerous examples where homosexuals ginned up incidents in order to generate lawsuits when PRIVATE businesses and individuals refused demands they be accommodated even if it is against the individual’s or business owner’s conscious. In another case a counsellor who made it clear she would not work with homosexual couples because of her religious conscious and even tried to accommodate the request by a referral to another counsellor was sued. We have probably all heard about the eHarmony suit. eHarmony was set up to be a Christian match service and originally would not accept homosexuals looking for same sex partners. Again they were sued and while they may have prevailed, the company capitulated. This is deliberate and is but a preview of things to come. **

The agenda is clear. They don’t come to build up their status, they are focused on destroying traditional values and religious liberty. I think in their heart of hearts this is the only way they can reconcile this destructive course of action. Like little children they feel justified in attacking Christian businesses and organizations and churches because “he hit me first!!!”

Lisa

Right, it’s selfish to want to be able to live your faith in peace. It’s selfish to express your first amendment rights and say you believe in traditional marriage without having your business picketed. It’s selfish not to want a homosexual Scoutmaster to take your ten year old boy camping…yeah right.

The way homosexuals fight to protect a sexual activity is truly bizarre. I can think of no analogy with respect to any other behavior. They are worshipping the false god of their nether regions

Which in effect is:

You can’t continue with a business or exercise your profession where policy and practice thereof do not accommodate the interest of homosexuals and homosexual life. Sign on to our worship of our idol (of homosexual expression) and you will be free to do business or practice your profession. Religious liberty in action. Not. One way tyranny. Yes.

 

[Seeker1961]

What new discovery made the observable dysfunction of homosexuality suddenly “normal” and “natural”?

And how can you deny all the other dysfunctional relationships their “civil rights”?

Here’s the larger point in here:

I’m not aware of any new scientific discovery that suddenly rendered the disordered and dangerous act of sodomy into a “natural” “healthy” and functional part of our intended design.

And I’m not aware of any new discoveries that have suddenly revealed that the two genders are suddenly and magically interchangeable.

Repeating it over and over doesn’t magically make it make sense.

“Normal” changes all the time, depending on your perspective. What Catholics believe isn’t considered “normal” by a whole lot of people, but that doesn’t mean they can outlaw it.

If you don’t think sodomy is natural or healthy…then don’t do it. When gay marriage was legalized in NY, nobody came to straight people’s houses with guns and forced them to divorce and marry people of the same gender.

I’m not even going to dignify the “other dysfunctional relationships” comment. I know where that’s going and it’s not good.

 

[josh987654321]

I think when it comes to adoption and homosexual union rights, or civil rights it should be seen like this:

A) We know that the nature of homosexuality means using organs in a manner they are not designed to be used for, so it’s not something that should be accepted/viewed as a natural/normal behaviour.

B) We know that the greatest role models or influences in a child’s life are their parents, not what they say, but what they do.

Now you put A) and B) together and than ask how they could ever claim that this combination would be anything but detrimental for a child’s development.

I think it would be detrimental for a child to have a view of homosexuality as a natural or normal behaviour to be embraced and encouraged.

 

[Seeker1961]

Which in effect is:

You can’t continue with a business or exercise your profession where policy and practice thereof do not accommodate the interest of homosexuals and homosexual life. Sign on to our worship of our idol (of homosexual expression) and you will be free to do business or practice your profession. Religious liberty in action. Not. One way tyranny. Yes.

C’mon…you guys really have to share the crystal ball!! You all just KNOW what the future is going to be. Surely you can at least help me win my March Madness pool!



Just trying to lighten it up a little…it gets way too depressing and serious here sometimes.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Repeating it over and over doesn’t magically make it make sense.

Yes, you’re right: Repeating that homosexuality is suddenly "normal’ over and over doesn’t magically make it make sense.

So what exactly makes it “normal”?

And why are you advocating special privileges for a dysfunctional desire?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

“Normal” changes all the time, depending on your perspective.

Really?

So “perspective” changed human anatomy and design?

Do tell.

What Catholics believe isn’t considered “normal” by a whole lot of people, but that doesn’t mean they can outlaw it.

So “normal” is determined by opinion? So incest can be normal? Pedophilia can be normal? Pederasty? Polygamy?

If you don’t think sodomy is natural or healthy…then don’t do it. When gay marriage was legalized in NY, nobody came to straight people’s houses with guns and forced them to divorce and marry people of the same gender.

Will you tell that same thing to the advocates of incest? Pedophilia? Pederasty? Polygamy?

I’m not even going to dignify the “other dysfunctional relationships” comment. I know where that’s going and it’s not good.

Why? Does your fallacious reasoning betray you? Or did you just become puritanical in your stuffy close-minded religious traditions?

 

[Cor_Cordis]

C’mon…you guys really have to share the crystal ball!! You all just KNOW what the future is going to be. Surely you can at least help me win my March Madness pool!



Just trying to lighten it up a little…it gets way too depressing and serious here sometimes.

Yeah, we should just ignore the established trajectory of dysfunction that people like you have advocated.

Let the consequences be damned. After all, who cares about consequences. Let’s just live for today, right?

It’s all good. Right?

 

[JimG]

It’s only a matter of time before traditional Christian doctrines will be deemed “hate speech”. Soon followed by a repeal of the Church’s tax-exempt status. And then quickly followed by endless audits and never ending tax increase. That is, until the “hateful” “bigoted” Christians get their minds right.

And please, don’t even delude yourself and say it won’t happen. It’s a certainty.

It’s already happening. Catholic students at the University of Victoria have been censored by the university for making available the Catholic Answers pamphlets “Pure Manhood,” “Pure Womanhood,” and “Pure Love.” .

These pamphlets were deemed, incredibly, to be “harassment,” and “oppressive speech.” The Catholic Students Association was required to write an apology (!) for making these materials available, and to attend workshops on “oppressive language,” and to submit all future materials for prior censorship.

Amazing, but it’s becoming normal on American as well as Canadian university campuses.

Here’s a link to the story:

landmarkreport.com/andrew/2012/12/university-of-victoria-censors-schools-catholic-students-association

Approval of gay marriage will be just the beginning of oppression and suppression of the Catholic Faith.

 

[Seeker1961]

Really?

So “perspective” changed human anatomy and design?

Do tell.

So “normal” is determined by opinion? So incest can be normal? Pedophilia can be normal? Pederasty? Polygamy?

Will you tell that same thing to the advocates of incest? Pedophilia? Pederasty? Polygamy?

Why? Does your fallacious reasoning betray you? Or did you just become puritanical in your stuffy close-minded religious traditions?

Ok…rational discourse has ended.

Thanks to most of you for an interesting discussion while it lasted.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

It’s already happening. Catholic students at the University of Victoria have been censored by the university for making available the Catholic Answers pamphlets “Pure Manhood,” “Pure Womanhood,” and “Pure Love.” .

These pamphlets were deemed, incredibly, to be “harassment,” and “oppressive speech.” The Catholic Students Association was required to write an apology (!) for making these materials available, and to attend workshops on “oppressive language,” and to submit all future materials for prior censorship.

Amazing, but it’s becoming normal on American as well as Canadian university campuses.

Here’s a link to the story:

landmarkreport.com/andrew/2012/12/university-of-victoria-censors-schools-catholic-students-association

Approval of gay marriage will be just the beginning of oppression and suppression of the Catholic Faith.

Ah yes, bigotry and intolerance in the name of “tolerance”.

The combination of hypocrisy, blind self-righteous sanctimony, and a complete lack of introspection led by a blindingly acute display of stupidity, makes the gay fascists an especially toxic brew of moral bankruptcy and tyranny.

 

[Cor_Cordis]

Ok…rational discourse has ended.

Thanks to most of you for an interesting discussion while it lasted.

I didn’t know that dysfunctional misuse of the human body was … rational.

I’m sorry reality betrayed you. Thanks for being “rational”.

 

[josh987654321]

Catholic Charities CHOSE to get out of the adoption business because they CHOSE to follow a higher law. People who follow Catholic teaching make those choices every day-there are lots of things that are legal that we do not do because we are Catholic. We don’t have abortions, we don’t get divorced and we don’t marry people of the same gender.

And those adoptions didn’t vanish, someone else took them over who didn’t care about the gender of the couples. In my state, we have laws to keep even opposite sex couples from getting benefits without marriage, but gay people can adopt.

Did you read my previous post?, idk how you can say homosexual couples can adopt, what are you thinking?

That kind of thinking will cause a tremendous amount of harm to a poor child’s development.

Like I said, I think it would be detrimental for a child to have a view of homosexuality as a natural or normal behaviour which is to be encouraged, this would only confuse them on many levels about their own sexuality and that of their parents.

Please consider these facts Seeker:

A) The very nature of homosexuality means using your organs in a manner in which they are not designed to be used for.

B) The greatest role models or influences in a child’s life are their parents, not what they say, but what they do.

Now you put A) and B) together and than say that this is ‘okay’ and I will be very surprised.

Thank you for reading
Josh