Research Pertinent to the Boy Scouts of America Policy Change Debate

[CopticChristian]

On the issue of the Boy Scouts: Scouting is a character development program first and foremost (if you ever work for the Scouts, they will emphasize this in the training…) I don’t see how having openly gay scouts hurts this end, if anything, the BSA’s contact with religious groups (including many Catholic parishes) may bring young men who have had little to no contact with religion into contact with it (this is actually something that is advertised in many of the speeches I have heard at Eagle Courts of Honor.) If a young man who struggles with homosexual tendencies is brought into contact with the Church through scouting, I think that is a good thing, and the inclusion of them in scouting I think is in line with the Church’s call to avoid unjust discrimination.

Regardless of what one thinks the causes of homosexuality are, reparative therapy, which NARTH promotes, has been shown to be psychologically damaging, and really shouldn’t be promoted, especially for minors.

You disregard thinking. You state that reparative therapy that NARTH promotes has been shown to be damaging for minors. Where has this been proven?

 

[CopticChristian]

I don’t think many young boys at age 12 have an agenda. Very few new people join scouting after the age of 14. Most of the older boys, the ones who are capable of “having an agenda”, have been in the program for a while.

nytimes.com/2009/08/06/health/06gay.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1369238887-CD7jYMLaDt/IdKRP5xP76A

From the NYT, but based off of the AP wire report, so little editorial bias.

The APA panal reviewed 83 studies conducted since 1960 on conversion therapy, so I would say its findings are based on the evidence.

There is no conclusion that repartive therapy is harmful regardless of the review. If you doubt this, you might want to consider what was said in Court in California when the Judge asked for evidence to prove this statement…the answer from lawyers that support the LGBT agenda…“silence”…there is none.

You will notice that the APA in its resolution told psychiatrists to be more open to people of religious faith, and told them to consider celibacy as an option, so this isn’t exactly the stereotype of the APA that you get from NARTH.

Your lack of understanding should be noted. The APA wants therapists to subjugate religious views for the view that Homosexuality is normal. Did you not know that?

 

[CopticChristian]

1. I am not disputing the fact that for some people homosexuality is a phase. I think you also need to admit that for some people it is not.
2. The APA surveyed 83 studies on conversion therapy. It also called for therapists to be more open to celibacy as an option. I’m fine with admitting that they might be biased, as long as you admit that NARTH might be biased as well. Surveying 83 different studies does its best to account for bias. Also, I don’t really see why many people who support the Church’s teaching are so in favour of conversion therapy to the point of ignoring a lot of the evidence against it. Regardless of whether or not homosexuality is curable for most people, homosexual sex is still in violation of the Church’s moral norms even if it is something that cannot be taken away.
3. I don’t really value the contribution of Evangelical Protestants on anything related to homosexuality. Generally speaking, while they came to the same conclusion as the Church in regards to homosexual genital activity, they are also pretty homophobic and stand in opposition to the Church’s call against unjust discrimination. The list of religious leaders you linked to were almost exclusively Evangelicals, with the exception of some of the more conservative Anglican groups. I’m sorry if their opposition to something doesn’t really convince me that much as an orthodox Catholic.

Also, I don’t really see why many people who support the Church’s teaching are so in favour of conversion therapy to the point of ignoring a lot of the evidence against it.

How is it you can promote a fallacy of understaning? There is no evidence. If you quote the APA task force report then you probably have not read it because that is not what it concludes. Where is it you have found this evidence? It is not evident to anyone including the Courts in California where the LGBT is trying to shut NARTH down and they had nothing to say when asked for the evidence you say exists.

Prove to me what has yet to be proved or stop promoting a fallacy.

 

[ringil]

NARTH. . . . derp dee derp derp. . .

 

[CopticChristian]

NARTH. . . . derp dee derp derp. . .

American Psychiatric Association, DSM, LGBT, agenda, put your finger in between your lips and go …brbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbrbr…you vill do as ve say…