Resignation

[aspawloski4th]

Now your going overboard. Where does Kage_ar say it’s a sin?

Not if you can prove it!

Hmm how could I prove that! It isn’t in an official doccument. Kage-ar implyed it was a sin. Read between the lines.

 

[Tedster]

I have given examples of personal experiences here and have gotten them called hearsay. I do know what the definition of hearsay really is, but for you and Kage-ar the definition is anything you disagree with.

Sorry. You are wrong. NOBODY has ever claimed you or Maria lied or made it up. If they did, point out the post in which they did, and I will concede. The point is, nobody in this discussion knows for sure if it really happened unless there is someway to prove it. The point was made predominantly about whether a certain person you know had a baptismal certificate changed by a Pope. Do you expect us to believe that, just on your word? I’ll bet you don’t believe everything you read in this forum.

You are not getting anywhere, so you have reduced to mudslinging. That is a sure sign that this discussion is over and you have proven nothing. Goodbye.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Sorry. You are wrong. NOBODY has ever claimed you or Maria lied or made it up. If they did, point out the post in which they did, and I will concede. The point is, nobody in this discussion knows for sure if it really happened unless there is someway to prove it. The point was made predominantly about whether a certain person you know had a baptismal certificate changed by a Pope. Do you expect us to believe that, just on your word? I’ll bet you don’t believe everything you read in this forum.

You are not getting anywhere, so you have reduced to mudslinging. That is a sure sign that this discussion is over and you have proven nothing. Goodbye.

Funny I think you are mudsliging. I am working currently getting incontact with the baspismal cirtifate person But she hasn’t been online since early october and has a history of health problems She is a friend of mine. I AM NOT USED TO HAVING TO DOCUMENT WHAT MY FRIENDS SHARE WITH ME! The next thing i know you will be calling the fact tht a tree fell on my car in a thunderstorm once hearsay. You are hung up on it not me. Most of my I don’t believe here in CAF forums are stastics! Figures lie and liars figure. I happen to trust antedotal evedence more than anyother type, because I find more truth there than anywhere else

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

I have better not see anyone here challenge this statement either. My family has a histroy with problems of our local police department not doing their jobs.

So now I must accept hearsay evidence or you will do what to me? This is a form of violence.

If the police are not doing their jobs then there are other avenues to pursue.

But then you have already shown contempt for others who disagree with you and challenge you for the proof of your statements. Just another form of abuse.

 

[the_phoenix]

I have chosen, in the interest of preserving my physical and mental health, to resign as the youth minister at my church. There are too many intolerant and stupid brutes at the church that I attend. … I am actively seeking another, better, Catholic church that I can attend.

Hello MariaTS,

1. Sometimes resigning frees you up so that you can better follow the Lord where He is calling you. I tried the “religion teacher” / “youth minister” thing for three years in three different places. The first religion teacher experience went surprisingly well, thanks only to the Holy Spirit. A nun tricked me into being the teacher … long story short, I survived, and can breathe a happy sigh of relief looking back. Thanks be to God! My second stint as a religion teacher lasted just one class, because after that class I had quite a nightmare such that I immediately resigned. The third and youth minister experience as part of a prayer group didn’t quite work out simply put because I don’t have the charism for such group things with teens on my own, and this time the Holy Spirit did not grant me the extraordinary graces to make it seem workable. So I stuck it out for a year doing my best and then resigned. Currently, I’m an Adorer scheduled for one hour per week at my parish’s Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration Chapel, been an Adorer for about a few years now. Am of somewhat a Carthusian “Silence and Solitude” charism, so this is more my speed.
2. So, there are “intolerant brutes” at the church you currently attend? Well, as another Ohioan, I’d invite you to one of my parishes (the English-speaking Mass parish or the Latin-speaking Mass parish) … with the understanding that both of these parishes contain … SINNERS! (And I happen to be one of the sinners.)
3. As for switching parishes? Since moving to Ohio, I’ve switched home parishes. Stayed with the first one around ten years, until the strong pro-life pastor retired. Naively made a quick move to a second parish which I thought would be better … wrong … a dirty joke was told from the altar by a priest as part of a sermon! Am very happy with my current home parish … we’ve been through a pastor change … both the former pastor and the new pastor have shown themselves to be wonderful. I also appreciate being able to attend my secondary parish which offers the Latin Mass, and would hope to attend the secondary parish more if circumstances permit … on this point, best to pray to the Holy Spirit for help and guidance as to where I should be any particular Sunday … getting downtown to Latin Mass has been challenging this past year. Anyways, I’m very much at peace with my current parish situation.

Best thing you can do is PRAY, PRAY, PRAY about where God wants you and what He wants you to be doing for His kingdom.

And I’ll pray for you too, MariaTS. Please pray for me as well?

 

[Zoe_Brain]

I cannot get my mind around your “saftey issue”. Young women live alone all over the globe, in every kind of neighborhood and area.

DISABLED young women live alone, again, in every kind of area…

But transgendered young women have a chance of being murdered at least 17 times the average, and usually much higher. They have a 1 in 8 chance of dying by being murdered, in fact.

Over 70% of murders in the USA are cleared up - except when the victim is transgendered. Then it’s 30%.

We’re constantly hearing how Christians are being persecuted for their faith. Last year, a total of 7 catholics were victims of crimes of violence just for being catholic, according to the FBI.

But newspaper reports showed at least 19 transgendered people were killed for being transgendered women, and most such murders don’t make the papers. There are no FBI statistics because until last month, by law, they weren’t allowed to count them.

The most difficult thing to bear is not that we get slaughtered at such a rate: it’s that those who slaughter us deny that it’s happening, even to themselves. I think that now that the FBI is allowed to keep such statistics, the rates will come as a shock to many. But I’m sure they’ll say that it’s faked, things can’t be as bad as that.

 

[aspawloski4th]

So now I must accept hearsay evidence or you will do what to me? This is a form of violence.

If the police are not doing their jobs then there are other avenues to pursue.

But then you have already shown contempt for others who disagree with you and challenge you for the proof of your statements. Just another form of abuse.

Ok what how can she prove calling police and then police not doing their jobs? Instead of crying hearsay everytime you dissagree with something, take it head on! Mairia’s story is something Ive been hearing with transsexuals, some of whoem I know personally for years. What am I supposed to do, drag every transsexual I know out and have them recant stories for your proof?? Calling what I do violence is over the top,especially by someone who is doing as much badgering as you do. Im the oldest of 8., 4 of my siblings have left the church, mainly because of attitudes to deal with like yours. While Id rather have my siblings stay Catholic, I quite franly don’t blame them for leaving. I did nothing physical to you and made no threts therefore I committed no violence.I have plenty of friends in my circle who disagree with me on lots of things and we getalong just fine, but when you badger people who have to expect ot be badgered back, that is human nature, and I absolutely do not proclaim to be above or below human nature. Quite frankly I have never seen as much whining and sniveling for Catholics as when Maria started posting threads here. As for contempt. What you are expressing is disdain twards transsexual, which I will admit that any time I see that I do hold it in contempt, and will continue to do so.

 

[aspawloski4th]

That is a sure sign that this discussion is over and you have proven nothing. Goodbye.

And you havent proven anything either.

 

[Betterave]

But transgendered young women have a chance of being murdered at least 17 times the average, and usually much higher. They have a 1 in 8 chance of dying by being murdered, in fact.

Over 70% of murders in the USA are cleared up - except when the victim is transgendered. Then it’s 30%.

We’re constantly hearing how Christians are being persecuted for their faith. Last year, a total of 7 catholics were victims of crimes of violence just for being catholic, according to the FBI.

But newspaper reports showed at least 19 transgendered people were killed for being transgendered women, and most such murders don’t make the papers. There are no FBI statistics because until last month, by law, they weren’t allowed to count them.

The most difficult thing to bear is not that we get slaughtered at such a rate: it’s that those who slaughter us deny that it’s happening, even to themselves. I think that now that the FBI is allowed to keep such statistics, the rates will come as a shock to many. But I’m sure they’ll say that it’s faked, things can’t be as bad as that.

Hi Zoe,

First, let me say I’ve enjoyed reading some of your posts. I think they’re very interesting and informative.

On this last post here, do you know who is killing these people and why? It seems possible that there might be a certain amount of common cause fallacy underlying your use of these statistics and we can’t really assess their significance properly without knowing more.

Best

 

[aspawloski4th]

Hi Zoe,

First, let me say I’ve enjoyed reading some of your posts. I think they’re very interesting and informative.

On this last post here, do you know who is killing these people and why? It seems possible that there might be a certain amount of common cause fallacy underlying your use of these statistics and we can’t really assess their significance properly without knowing more.

Best

Know more like what?

 

[Fran65]

I stopped reporting crimes against me years ago when the police repeatedly refused to do their jobs and didn’t even record any crimes that I reported. The police have never worked with me and whenever I have tried to work with them or went to them, they have made the situation worse.

Well Maria, ‘years ago’ would put you under the age of 16 at the time of those assaults. What do your parents make of any of this? Are they supportive? Are they Catholic?

 

[Zoe_Brain]

On this last post here, do you know who is killing these people and why?

We know with some confidence in the few cases where the murderer has been prosecuted. Not with complete certainty every time, but usually pretty sure. We can also make some pretty good guesses in some other cases, from the manner of the deaths, and from the many comments on the news reports in support of, and rarely, in praise of, the killers.

Example - a self-described “Good Christian” gang member, when first arrested, told detectives (and I quote)

“I thought I killed it.”

and later

It’s not like I went up to a schoolteacher and shot her in the head … or like I killed a law-abiding straight citizen."

The victim’s head was bashed into a concave shape by repeated blows with a fire extinguisher, while she slept.

In another case, the day before she fled to safety, a transgendered woman was mysteriously shot on the streets of Memphis Tennessee. Just before she could give evidence to the FBI about the attack she’d suffered (caught on video) by two police officers in a police station. The Memphis police are mystified as to a possible motive.

In another case, the killer had boasted he was going tranny-hunting, but in the drive-by that followed, his car stalled, and he was unable to restart it. After an unsuccessful attempt at ditching the gun, he was eventually convicted of … manslaughter. His victim had been shot once in the side, and again in the back as she attempted to stagger away. But she was a Tranny, so the DA thought he’d better get the best deal he could, or the perp would likely walk free.

It’s likely though that at a large proportion of the killings happen as the result of a “risky lifestyle”. When a 14 year old girl is beaten up and thrown out of her home by her parents for shaming the family, she often ends up peddling her body just to eat and have shelter. Many such girls, trans or not, end up dead by violence. We don’t count those in the hate crime statistics though, since their deaths are not directly caused by them being trans.

A lot of people have frustrated hatred inside of them. They know that it’s wrong to take it out on decent folks, so they keep it bottled up.

But give them a target where the killing is “justified” - say, their proposed victim is a child murderer - and although they may tell themselves that they’re just doing it to keep their own children safe, in fact, they do it because they like it, and it’s sanctified by religious conviction.

Some people keep these feelings in check until there is an extreme example, such as a serial pedophile/rapist/murderer before they form a lynch mob. Others just get a sense of quiet pride at “cleaning up the streets” and ridding the world of the ungodly - thieves, prostitutes, transsexuals, homosexuals, people who end a sentence with a preposition… people who their pastor says they should hate. Or who say they should hate the sin and love the sinner, but of course such violence is understandable under the circumstances… and no jury would convict.

I mean, it’s self-defence, isn’t it?

“…transgender/transsexual” activists… want to offer your children on the bloody altar of transsexuality — pulling them into sex-change operations involving unimaginable bodily mutilations and hormonal manipulations.
…
The culture of death has created a compulsion in the souls of the homosexual radicals and their “trans” allies, driving them ever further into new perversions. There is no bottom to this pit of depravity, and they will drag many innocent victims along with them: the young, the lonely, the psychologically and physically wounded, the confused – including some of your children and grandchildren, family, friends and neighbors. There will be no safe haven. You cannot cocoon in your homes or churches. Our public schools, businesses, public accommodations (which may include churches), your employers and insurers, will all be forced to yield to yet-undefined perversions, protected by law.”

That’s MassResistance, a league of decent, God-fearing people in Massachusetts talking. You can see how some who believe that tripe would feel that they’re forced to take action, just to protect their kith and kin. God Wills It - Deult Vult. If the Police and Activist Judges won’t do their job… they have to do it themselves. And Boy, do they feel good about it afterwards!

Sigh I’m no Christian, but I know far too many of the genuine variety to be deceived into thinking that this is what Christianity is all about. But ask yourself - don’t such people exist? Aren’t such people even to be found even in religious orders, and church congregations everywhere? I don’t blame the church though. They’d just find another excuse if it didn’t condemn the Ungodly.

 

[aspawloski4th]

Sigh I’m no Christian, but I know far too many of the genuine variety to be deceived into thinking that this is what Christianity is all about. But ask yourself - don’t such people exist? Aren’t such people even to be found even in religious orders, and church congregations everywhere? I don’t blame the church though. They’d just find another excuse if it didn’t condemn the Ungodly.

Zoe I’ll say it. I could of pmed it to you, but I want as many to hear it as possbile. Zoe in my many years of meeting people through what ever medium out there, whether from far away or nearby me, in or not in my family in my almost 42 years on this Earth. You are one of the most christian souls I have ever crossed paths with, Even more so than the one giving you this complement. With CAF full of people who act just like the pharisses of Christ’s time you ar about as opposite of that as humanly possible You can call me friend anytime. I’d rathr have your friendsship than the other “catholics” who are members here Merry Christmas Zoe!

 

[MrS]

She is mistaking mere teaching for doctrine. An easy mistake for a young mind to make, even I did when I was her age, 18. Some church techings change. If they didn’t we would still believe the Earth was the center of the universe.

Just for your edification… both heliocentrism and geocentrism are only theories… neither have been proven, and neither have been dis-proven. Some think that the vast majority “know” that the sun is the center. They may think that it is. Period.
For that matter, we may learn someday that there is another point in the universe that is really the center.

For now, theoretically, both are possible.

Finally… neither is a “Church Teaching”.

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[aspawloski4th]

Just for your edification… both heliocentrism and geocentrism are only theories… neither have been proven, and neither have been dis-proven. Some think that the vast majority “know” that the sun is the center. They may think that it is. Period.
For that matter, we may learn someday that there is another point in the universe that is really the center.

For now, theoretically, both are possible.

Finally… neither is a “Church Teaching”.

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Well then in the days of Galleo it was a church stand or opinion, because anyone espousing the the Earth is not the center of the universe in those days was jailed BY THE CHURCh, that tells me the church believed the Earth to be the ceter of the universe in those days pretty admantly.

 

[kage_ar]

What I am expressing is distain towards dishonesty. The OP has been dishonest.

As long as the poster is honest, I don’t care if they are a transexual or a viking or a three eyed green Episcopailan kangaroo. Don’t try to mislead the readers!

 

[aspawloski4th]

What I am expressing is distain towards dishonesty. The OP has been dishonest.

!

Thats mere hearsay.

 

[kage_ar]

Thats mere hearsay.

You know as well as I that the poster admitted to dishonesty - they said they were a youth minister then they were a volunteer - they lied one of those times, it was admitted earlier in this thread. ETA post 90.

Also, the SE guidelines will not permit an 18 year old to be a youth minister, these are guidelines that a local parish cannot violate.

There is dishonesty at play in these postings. Perhaps this person is seeking attention.

 

[MrS]

Well, I did actually read through all of the posts on this thread. Silly me.

This person’s problems, if at all true, are extensive. And it seems that none of them are going to be addressed separately, much less dealt with separately.

I could have guessed as much, when I saw the OP’s post early on that expressed NO DESIRE to let another’s rules or standards “infect” personal choices.

You are mostly right that teaching what the church teaches is all anyone is asking me to do if you are, in fact, referring to the majority of the posters on this forum. However, at the church I used to work at, that was not all anyone was asking. They did far more, far worse. I have been raped on church property, beaten on church property, threatened on church property, over a period of several years, by men who claim to be Catholic, by men who think I am a danger or a threat to their children and think that I am disposable, worthless. …I do teach what the church teaches and I do so properly and without a second though. I will not sugar coat or liberalize what the church teaches, I am a staunch Conservative and devout Catholic and, now, nothing will ever change this. I used to have some questions or disagreements, now I have none, no qualms about Church teaching. However, I still have the right to disagree with Church officials and parishioners on the interpretation of Church teaching. However, I will, always, do so in a respectful manner no matter how I am treated. I shall not, ever, fully condone anything that the Pope says unless it is an infallible statement, of which there have only been two stated by Popes in all of Church history. Absolute infallibility is nothing that any Pope can lay claim to for that is not, truly or by church definition, infallibility.

Maria, or whatever your name is… you also said you made $1500 month… hardly tips for a volunteer. You were getting paid for something, regardless of your title.

I think… I really think…
you do NOT know your faith
you do not know what you are talking about
you should not be teaching in ANY Catholic program.

If your stories are true, then may God have mercy on you. I will pray that your life improves. And I will pray that the lives of young Catholics are protected from your attacks on them. May you see that the damage you will cause them is to their souls… much worse than the damages done to your body and mind.

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[aspawloski4th]

Maria. I think it’s time to lets things blow over. You need clarity if you theological thinking, as most who are your age do. But thats doesn’t excuse the attacks for being transsexual which most of them at thier root are based on here. I think its time to mak church a sunday, holy day thing for the time being. As I have had to you will also have to face the fact that most Catholics hold much disdain for anyone transsexual or transgender. In the next parish you join, if they are looking for volunteers tell them you would, but you don’t want to go on trial for being different.