Resisting temptation against chastity

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I’m a 23 year old women who has never been in a relationship and while it wasn’t a problem until recently (I was considering religious life), now this is in the forefront of my mind. I have all these desires for intimacy and I’m tempted to go to romance novels, movies and even doing some stuff I know is a mortal sin. I was told that such behaviour may affect my marriage someday, but the problem is I have kind of lost hope in finding a husband and I’m telling myself that I have to settle for this because it’s the “best” it will ever get because it’s so hard to find a good (avalilable :)) guy. Then maybe not offending God should be my motivation but I also struggle with doubts about my faith and wondering if what I believe in is true, etc.
So how/why should I say no to sin in these circumstances? I feel like I have no hope and this is my consolation…I guess I sound really depressed but I’m just pessimistic about my future. I want to do the right thing but I don’t know if it will pay off in the end.
 
With many temptations the spiritual and moral writers and saints will tell you: fight them directly. Oppose pride with humility etc.

But with temptations against chastity or against faith they tell you more than fight --it is* flight!*

Flight more than fight.
 
Of course it’s not sinful to have feelings and emotions. But we need to incorporate them into our wholeness, our holiness, rather than into disintegration of sin.

As a Doctor of the Church–St. Alphonsus Liguori–teaches, if we call on the name of Mary during temptation, we cannot sin against chastity.

Through Mary we can find divine intimacy with Jesus, the Eucharist, which satisfies all our needs for intimacy.
 
I’m a 23 year old women who… have kind of lost hope in finding a husband
Whoa, whoa, whoa, back up, back way up. Age 23 is way to early to give up hope on anything. I do remember how it feels, because my mid twenties were a kind of lost in the wilderness affair, but seriously, that rarely lasts. I found my wife when I was 29 and we’ve been happy together now for over 30 years.

Believe me, if I can find a wife, you can find a husband. You would not believe how clueless I was when I was 23. I couldn’t find my own butt, let alone a wife. And no, I’m not just being polite in saying that. All pretty normal actually, and a phase that comes and goes like everything else.

I don’t know what kind of sins you are contemplating, but I’m guessing by your presence here that they are tame indeed. What I’ve learned about you Catholics is that you’re great at talking about sin, but you stink at actually sinning. 🙂 So I doubt you have anything in mind that should cause too much worry.

So I cast my little vote for an end to the worry segment of this thread, and let’s get down to business talking about how to find a guy. I’m a guy. Ask me if you want.
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa, back up, back way up. Age 23 is way to early to give up hope on anything. I do remember how it feels, because my mid twenties were a kind of lost in the wilderness affair, but seriously, that rarely lasts. I found my wife when I was 29 and we’ve been happy together now for over 30 years.

Believe me, if I can find a wife, you can find a husband. You would not believe how clueless I was when I was 23. I couldn’t find my own butt, let alone a wife. And no, I’m not just being polite in saying that. All pretty normal actually, and a phase that comes and goes like everything else.

I don’t know what kind of sins you are contemplating, but I’m guessing by your presence here that they are tame indeed. What I’ve learned about you Catholics is that you’re great at talking about sin, but you stink at actually sinning. 🙂 So I doubt you have anything in mind that should cause too much worry.

So I cast my little vote for an end to the worry segment of this thread, and let’s get down to business talking about how to find a guy. I’m a guy. Ask me if you want.
Thank you for your answer, it was very refreshing to hear that! 🙂 I would have a question for you: most of the times when I’m in a social setting I see the men’s group and the women’s group and even if I would like to talk to one of those guys it’s intimidating to try to get involved in the conversation. So if they don’t introduce themselves to me is there something I can do?
 
I feel your pain, temptation is always around. Fly to the Blessed Virgin, she always helps me!
 
With many temptations the spiritual and moral writers and saints will tell you: fight them directly. Oppose pride with humility etc.

But with temptations against chastity or against faith they tell you more than fight --it is* flight!*

Flight more than fight.
Fly to the Blessed Virgin
As Gandalf says in the Lord of the Rings when he is facing the demonic balrong –
“Fly, you fools!”*
 
Thank you for your answer, it was very refreshing to hear that! 🙂 I would have a question for you: most of the times when I’m in a social setting I see the men’s group and the women’s group and even if I would like to talk to one of those guys it’s intimidating to try to get involved in the conversation. So if they don’t introduce themselves to me is there something I can do?
Most of the guys are probably thinking similar thoughts about you: “I’d really like to go talk to her, but it’s intimidating…what if she blows me off? I can’t get shot down in front of everyone…etc etc. etc.” They’re just as nervous as you are. 🙂

No guy will be offended if you just say, “Hi, I’m Julie, how’s it going?” Even if there’s no romantic spark, you’re not going to commit a faux pas just by saying hi. Just smile and communicate through your body language that you are open to being talked to. Don’t fold your arms across your chest or give one word answers, etc. I think sometimes when people are nervous in social settings, they adopt a body language that is sort of “closed off.” Without meaning to, they give the impression that they do not want to be approached.

Do you drink? This might be controversial, but I think having a drink or two if you’re in a setting where it’s appropriate is a good way to calm your nerves and not overthink things. Note well: I’m not saying get hammered and make a fool of yourself. I’m saying just a little bit to take the edge off and loosen up.

Do you live in a small town? It’s not an easy fix, but that will constrain your dating life a bit. If there’s a smaller population of single men your age, obviously it’s going to be a little harder to meet one you click with.

Finally, don’t beat yourself up too much about being tempted by unchaste things. Obviously, you don’t want to give into those temptations, but you’re a 23 year old woman: it’s perfectly understandable that you are attracted to men and desire romantic and physical intimacy. You’re not abnormal. You just need to channel that desire towards something positive. i.e finding the right guy to experience all that stuff with, at the appropriate time.
 
I’m a 23 year old women who has never been in a relationship and while it wasn’t a problem until recently (I was considering religious life), now this is in the forefront of my mind. I have all these desires for intimacy and I’m tempted to go to romance novels, movies and even doing some stuff I know is a mortal sin. I was told that such behaviour may affect my marriage someday, but the problem is I have kind of lost hope in finding a husband and I’m telling myself that I have to settle for this because it’s the “best” it will ever get because it’s so hard to find a good (avalilable :)) guy. Then maybe not offending God should be my motivation but I also struggle with doubts about my faith and wondering if what I believe in is true, etc.
So how/why should I say no to sin in these circumstances? I feel like I have no hope and this is my consolation…I guess I sound really depressed but I’m just pessimistic about my future. I want to do the right thing but I don’t know if it will pay off in the end.
Speaking from experience, underneath these temptations you’re facing, the core essence is your desire to love and be loved just like the rest of us. As a human being we need an outlet of love. Since you have no husband, you feel an empty void in your heart and so your outlet is directed to other things. Please sister don’t settle for anything but the best which is Jesus himself who is your spiritual spouse.

In the spirit of purity I say spice up your romance with Jesus more. Visit him in the Eucharist. Tell him you love him. Imagine yourself in Jesus’ arms with fuzzy feelings of unconditional love, security and acceptance of who you are. Enjoy the Eucharist when you receive the body of Jesus into your body. The two of you become one with such intimacy that goes deeper than any earthly marriage. Fill the void in your heart up with Jesus!

I will keep you in my prayers dear sister
 
Hello Julie,
Thank you for your answer, it was very refreshing to hear that! 🙂 I would have a question for you: most of the times when I’m in a social setting I see the men’s group and the women’s group and even if I would like to talk to one of those guys it’s intimidating to try to get involved in the conversation. So if they don’t introduce themselves to me is there something I can do?
First, obviously I don’t know you at all, so the best I can do is brainstorm a bunch of ideas and hope that you can adapt one or more of them to your situation. Let’s start with your question quoted above…

You can’t count on guys your age, or any age really, knowing how to be the leader. Many of the guys will be looking over at you from where they’re standing in the men’s group and thinking to themselves, “I’d like to talk to her but it’s intimidating to approach her.” So a place to start is to learn how to play the role of leader. I’m not suggesting you always have to be the leader, just that you should know how. Having this skill will make many more candidates available to you, which is important because…

Dating is a numbers game. The more guys you meet, the more guy friends you will make, and the more guy friends you have, the higher the chance of finding Mr. Right. So have faith, and work the numbers. Maybe start a chart that tracks how many times a week you’ve reached out to someone new. Go ahead, be nerdy, do whatever it takes. It doesn’t matter if you are accepted or rejected in any particular situation, it matters that you run the number of contacts up as high as you can. This mindset takes a complex psycho-social phenomena like dating and simplifies it dramatically.

Where to run your numbers up is probably worth considering. The guys you want to meet are probably doing charity work, not snorting coke in a nightclub. What would a guy that you’d respect being doing with his time? Figure that out and then put yourself in as many of those situations as you can. Define the quality zone, and then work the numbers there.

Let’s talk sales tools.

Start a blog and Facebook page if you don’t already have them. Give guys who are interested an efficient way to get to know you. If you feel more comfortable writing than talking, use that to your advantage. Maybe be like Jimi Hendrix, who was very shy in person, but let his real inner self shine like a bright light on stage. Find the place where you feel the most comfortable sharing the real you, and work it.

Get some business cards that list your URLs. Now when you meet an interesting guy you can give him the keys to your world in 15 seconds. “Hi, you look like fun, why don’t you stop by my Facebook page sometime so we can chat.” Buy 500 cards and get rid of them as fast as you can, obviously exercising some judgment about who the lucky recipients will be.

Develop a list of fun things to do on a first date. When the right guy comes along, be ready, even if he isn’t. Some of the most perfect guys for a good little Catholic girl will have no clue how to proceed. I know, as I’m one of those guys. 🙂 Solve the problem.

Let’s evaluate the candidates.

Look for a guy who can be your best friend. Look for a guy who would make a great roommate. Look for a guy you like spending a LOT of time with. Because that’s the bottom line of what marriage is.

Check out the guy’s parents. How’s their marriage? Not a hard and fast rule here, but information worth gathering.

Meet the guy’s former girlfriends if you can. How’d that work out? Do they still like him, or are they all pretty mad? How did he treat them? How does this fellow respond to not getting his way?

And finally, the most important advice of all. Get a pen and paper and be sure to write this down. Are you ready? Ok, here we go…

Never ever take advice from anonymous crazy old men on the Internet! 🙂

If you want more let me know, but I have to go now, because all the many girls I dated when I was your age (both of them) have fallen on the floor in a fit of hysterical laughter upon learning I’m giving dating advice, and I have to go dial 911.
 
Speaking from experience, underneath these temptations you’re facing, the core essence is your desire to love and be loved just like the rest of us. As a human being we need an outlet of love. Since you have no husband, you feel an empty void in your heart and so your outlet is directed to other things. Please sister don’t settle for anything but the best which is Jesus himself who is your spiritual spouse.

In the spirit of purity I say spice up your romance with Jesus more. Visit him in the Eucharist. Tell him you love him. Imagine yourself in Jesus’ arms with fuzzy feelings of unconditional love, security and acceptance of who you are. Enjoy the Eucharist when you receive the body of Jesus into your body. The two of you become one with such intimacy that goes deeper than any earthly marriage. Fill the void in your heart up with Jesus!

I will keep you in my prayers dear sister
You are right, that’s my situation, the problem comes when those “fuzzy feelings” are not there, when God seems absent, when you no longer feel his love for you. I’m aware that it’s unrealistic to expect to always be on cloud nine spiritually, but what do you do when nothing seems to be able to fill that void in your heart, not even God? Maybe I just have to accept it, I don’t know. But I confess I struggle sometimes with the idea that God is enough, that when you have Him you will feel complete, at least in my experience on an emotional level it’s not always the case.
 
Hello Julie,

First, obviously I don’t know you at all, so the best I can do is brainstorm a bunch of ideas and hope that you can adapt one or more of them to your situation. Let’s start with your question quoted above…

You can’t count on guys your age, or any age really, knowing how to be the leader. Many of the guys will be looking over at you from where they’re standing in the men’s group and thinking to themselves, “I’d like to talk to her but it’s intimidating to approach her.” So a place to start is to learn how to play the role of leader. I’m not suggesting you always have to be the leader, just that you should know how. Having this skill will make many more candidates available to you, which is important because…

Dating is a numbers game. The more guys you meet, the more guy friends you will make, and the more guy friends you have, the higher the chance of finding Mr. Right. So have faith, and work the numbers. Maybe start a chart that tracks how many times a week you’ve reached out to someone new. Go ahead, be nerdy, do whatever it takes. It doesn’t matter if you are accepted or rejected in any particular situation, it matters that you run the number of contacts up as high as you can. This mindset takes a complex psycho-social phenomena like dating and simplifies it dramatically.

Where to run your numbers up is probably worth considering. The guys you want to meet are probably doing charity work, not snorting coke in a nightclub. What would a guy that you’d respect being doing with his time? Figure that out and then put yourself in as many of those situations as you can. Define the quality zone, and then work the numbers there.

Let’s talk sales tools.

Start a blog and Facebook page if you don’t already have them. Give guys who are interested an efficient way to get to know you. If you feel more comfortable writing than talking, use that to your advantage. Maybe be like Jimi Hendrix, who was very shy in person, but let his real inner self shine like a bright light on stage. Find the place where you feel the most comfortable sharing the real you, and work it.

Get some business cards that list your URLs. Now when you meet an interesting guy you can give him the keys to your world in 15 seconds. “Hi, you look like fun, why don’t you stop by my Facebook page sometime so we can chat.” Buy 500 cards and get rid of them as fast as you can, obviously exercising some judgment about who the lucky recipients will be.

Develop a list of fun things to do on a first date. When the right guy comes along, be ready, even if he isn’t. Some of the most perfect guys for a good little Catholic girl will have no clue how to proceed. I know, as I’m one of those guys. 🙂 Solve the problem.

Let’s evaluate the candidates.

Look for a guy who can be your best friend. Look for a guy who would make a great roommate. Look for a guy you like spending a LOT of time with. Because that’s the bottom line of what marriage is.

Check out the guy’s parents. How’s their marriage? Not a hard and fast rule here, but information worth gathering.

Meet the guy’s former girlfriends if you can. How’d that work out? Do they still like him, or are they all pretty mad? How did he treat them? How does this fellow respond to not getting his way?

And finally, the most important advice of all. Get a pen and paper and be sure to write this down. Are you ready? Ok, here we go…

Never ever take advice from anonymous crazy old men on the Internet! 🙂

If you want more let me know, but I have to go now, because all the many girls I dated when I was your age (both of them) have fallen on the floor in a fit of hysterical laughter upon learning I’m giving dating advice, and I have to go dial 911.
Wow, thanks again, I really appreciate it! 🙂 I will try to go out more and meet new people in search for a potential husband. Some ideas are pretty bold and it would be hard for an introverted like me, but no pain, no gain 😉
 
Some ideas are pretty bold and it would be hard for an introverted like me, but no pain, no gain 😉
I have a stock cliche to cover this…
If the things we want to hear (or do) could take us where we want to go, we’d already be there.
It’s like buying a dress at the mall. It’s a beautiful dress, with a significant price tag. In the end it boils down to something very simple, you’re willing to pay the price on the sticker, or you’re not. Either decision is cool, if you can accept it.

The thing to avoid is getting stuck in the middle, where you really want the dress, and really don’t want to pay the price, and can’t make up your mind. That can be a suffering machine if you let the indecision go on too long.

Good luck!
 
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