Resolve is the only weapon that matters

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The Mesopotamian explains why our resolve is the most important weapon in our arsenal (see article). Indeed. As I have written before (in a much longer post that praises some forms of anti-war dissent):

A civil insurgency such as the one raging in the Sunni Triangle of Iraq cannot defeat the United States, in the sense of vanquishing its armed forces. It is perfectly within the capacity of our country to spend $80 billion a year on this war and suffer perhaps 1000 fatalities a year ad infinitum. The insurgency can therefore have only two victory conditions. First, to shape the political circumstances of post-war Iraq. Second, to induce the United States and the rest of the coalition to withdraw from Iraq (some insurgents would probably be happy to see this result under any circumstances, but al Qaeda wants humiliation to accompany the withdrawal). It is therefore manifestly the case that to the extent that anti-war dissent achieves those of its objectives that require an American withdrawal, the domestic opponents of the war have helped the enemy achieve at least the second of these victory conditions. And, since American withdrawal would probably (although not necessarily) increase the political leverage of the insurgency, it might also help the enemy achieve its first victory condition. How can it be otherwise?Of the various reasons to withdraw from Iraq, there are none more contemptible than those that cite the costs of this war, which are trivial as against the size of the United States and the wars of our history. The only question is whether the counterinsurgency in Iraq remains productive geopolitically. Regular reasons know that I think that it is.tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2005/10/resolve-is-only-weapon-that-matters.html
 
Here we have the U.S.A. and Great Britain and their smaller friends, an alliance that has defeated Nazi Germany and the mighty Reich, and have had the stomach to obliterate Japanese cities with atomic bombs. Here we have the Americans, the descendants of those who wrested a whole continent by shear obstinacy and fought for every inch of land with blood and sweat. Here we have nations that have waded through rivers of blood and mud and marched through entire continents to become symbols of human perseverance and enterprise. Yes all this history and yet we have some who think that our miserable “Sunni Triangle” poses an insurmountable problem and that one should “cut and run” and “bring home troops immediately” etc. etc.

I salute President Bush who does not care much for this kind of defeatism and treats it with the contempt it deserves.

Salaam From the Mesopotamian
 
Related, and a good read

by: Greyhawk


An Army at Dawn: The War in Africa, 1942-1943 is Rick Atkinson’s Pullitzer Prize-wining story of America’s early campaigns in World War II:September 1, 1939, was the first day of a war that would last for 2,174 days, and it brought the first dead in a war that would claim an average of 27,600 lives every day, or 1,150 an hour, or 19 a minute, or one death every 3 seconds.A war for which the US was not prepared. The book describes an Army at something less than what we now call level 1, but one we well know was able to ultimately achieve that status, albeit at great and painful cost:Jeremiads derided the nation’s martial potential. A Gallup Poll of October 1940 found a prevailing view of American youth as “a flabby, pacifistic, yellow, cynical, discouraged, and leftist lot”… Time magazine reported on the eve of Pearl Harbor that soldiers were booing newsreel shots of Roosevelt and General George C. Marshall, the Army chief of staff, while cheering outspoken isolationists.

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The insurgency can therefore have only two victory conditions. First, to shape the political circumstances of post-war Iraq. Second, to induce the United States and the rest of the coalition to withdraw from Iraq
I am thinking that the war ended in April 2003 - that is when the Iraqi military was defeated. The conflict and carnage that has occurred over the past two years is not war, but attempts to prevent peace.

Starting in May 2003, the major concern has been helping the Iraqis set up a new government, with a military that can effectively defend it.

I think we have made progress: The proposed consitution will be voted on in less than a week. And parts of Baghdad are now under the security of Iraqi units.

But things are tenuous and could unravel disasterously. This is no time for the United States or Britain to be pulling out. Our job is to make sure that the fledgling government of Iraq be allowed to come into existence, with a reasonable chance of survival.
 
The time for resolve has long passed and the only way that people like me are going to make an about face is for the government to come clean. I’ve said it before, as soon as the leadership of our country comes out and apologizes to us and to the world for what they have done and begs for help, I will shut up and support increasing my own taxes.

The time to cultivate resolve was actually prior to the decision to invade Iraq. People need to face facts; the administration gave the American people an OUT in supporting this war. I’ve said time and again that I always believed it was a foolish thought to begin with, but I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve run into who were all for the invasion who now say they feel they were lied to. You just cannot get around that by asking people to remain resolved; it’s another foolish thought.
 
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Thekla:
The time for resolve has long passed and the only way that people like me are going to make an about face is for the government to come clean. I’ve said it before, as soon as the leadership of our country comes out and apologizes to us and to the world for what they have done and begs for help, I will shut up and support increasing my own taxes.
Why not directly say you want a Democrat in the Whitehouse? you know Republicans are pro-taxcut.
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Thekla:
The time to cultivate resolve was actually prior to the decision to invade Iraq. People need to face facts; the administration gave the American people an OUT in supporting this war. I’ve said time and again that I always believed it was a foolish thought to begin with, but I can’t tell you the number of people I’ve run into who were all for the invasion who now say they feel they were lied to. You just cannot get around that by asking people to remain resolved; it’s another foolish thought.
“Foolish”? how charitable for you. There’re tons of words better than “foolish”
 
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abcdefg:
Why not directly say you want a Democrat in the Whitehouse? you know Republicans are pro-taxcut.

“Foolish”? how charitable for you. There’re tons of words better than “foolish”
I’m not as concerned about political parties as some here are. However, I believe that when you have a war, you should pay for it. Currently, we as a nation, are refusing to pay for the cost of the war and an additional 3 trillion dollars of debt.

The current republican leadership isn’t so much pro-taxcut as they are pro-spendnowandwhocaresaboutpayingforit.

As for the term “foolish thought,” I was being kind.
 
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Thekla:
I’m not as concerned about political parties as some here are. However, I believe that when you have a war, you should pay for it. Currently, we as a nation, are refusing to pay for the cost of the war and an additional 3 trillion dollars of debt.
When Democrats are in place there’ll be no effort to stop evil spreading. so what’s all those increased tax for?
Do you like:
  1. War on terror + reduced tax
  2. War on terror + increased tax
you probably hate both. please choose one you hate less.
btw why not support increasing your tax now if you think war should be payed?
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Thekla:
The current republican leadership isn’t so much pro-taxcut as they are pro-spendnowandwhocaresaboutpayingforit.

As for the term “foolish thought,” I was being kind.
I generally hate political correctness. but posts like this may change my opinion
 
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abcdefg:
When Democrats are in place there’ll be no effort to stop evil spreading. so what’s all those increased tax for?
Do you like:
  1. War on terror + reduced tax
  2. War on terror + increased tax
you probably hate both. please choose one you hate less.
btw why not support increasing your tax now if you think war should be payed?

I generally hate political correctness. but posts like this may change my opinion
I must have missed the Republican evil-spreading-stopping. How’s that going these days? Seems like they should have refined the plan here at home before venturing abroad.

Since I don’t equate the Iraq War with a war on terrorism, it’s hard to answer your question. How about if I present you with my current best solution for Iraq. 1) We apologize to Iraq and the rest of the world 2) Give them 50 billion dollars and let them hire their own army 3) We promise not to invade another country that is not threatening us.

Do I like having my taxes raised? What a silly question. The real question is are you comfortable with having your taxes lowered while the nation is driven into debt. Does it make you feel selfish?

We’ve seen an obscene lowering of our personal income taxes over the past 3 years while the national debt has gone from 4 to 7 trillion dollars. And when I say raise my taxes, I mean raise them above what they were in 2001. It’s called pay as you go.
 
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Thekla:
I must have missed the Republican evil-spreading-stopping. How’s that going these days? Seems like they should have refined the plan here at home before venturing abroad.

Since I don’t equate the Iraq War with a war on terrorism, it’s hard to answer your question. How about if I present you with my current best solution for Iraq. 1) We apologize to Iraq and the rest of the world 2) Give them 50 billion dollars and let them hire their own army 3) We promise not to invade another country that is not threatening us.
Apologize to Iraq? Will you please elaborate? To Iraqi people? No they enjoy freedom very much. To Saddam and terrorists(you may not think they’re terrorists. “insurgents” to be less offensive to you)? they would gladly accept it.
US/UK is training Iraqi Army, No point leaving them alone if they can’t handle the situation alone
as to 3) first Saddam is a threat. even if you don’t agree with WMD and terrorism links, what do you think of Saddam paying suicide bombers in Palestine? 2nd even if he’s not a threat to the US and allie,s he’s a threat to his own people. the inside of Iron Maiden isn’t a nice place.

Do I like having my taxes raised? What a silly question. The real question is are you comfortable with having your taxes lowered while the nation is driven into debt. Does it make you feel selfish?

We’ve seen an obscene lowering of our personal income taxes over the past 3 years while the national debt has gone from 4 to 7 trillion dollars. And when I say raise my taxes, I mean raise them above what they were in 2001. It’s called pay as you go.

Then why do you say “support increasing my own taxes”? you should never support this kind of policy. Watch you language and make sure it’s accurate.
 
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abcdefg:
When Democrats are in place there’ll be no effort to stop evil spreading. so what’s all those increased tax for?
Do you like:
  1. War on terror + reduced tax
  2. War on terror + increased tax
You forgot option 3:
  1. Losing war on terror. Economy in a shambles, bombs going off in our streets daily AND increased tax.
 
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