Awesome we are getting somewhere.I think we both can agree that it was an unlocking of kingdom authority to Peter. Well and good.
I’m not sure if you are agreeing with me or objecting?Was it an unlocking of authority exclusively to Peter, as mentioned earlier? If so, on what scriptural bases found in the immediate context? Peter was singled out, only because he was the only one, at the time, who answered correctly. Therefore Jesus directly rewarded him with His statement.
I already explained that this is not the meaning of the keys of the kingdom. Yes the key holder can bind and loose but the fact that one can bind and loose doesn’t mean you hold the keys. Look up therePeter could bind and loose, but so could the others.
Yes I remember this. We tried to discuss this once but you wouldn’t give me sound reasoning why I should believe this.Can we find another N.T. witness who records or repeats these exact same particulars? No. There is no “upon the mouth of two or three…”
Sorry, I disagree as does many Protestant scholars. The word rock in Greek is a feminine gender plain and simple. The thing you are forgetting is Jesus spoke Aramaic. So he said you are Cepha and on this Cepha. Aramaic doesn’t have genders for their words. The writer was writing in Greek he had no choice but to follow proper grammar. He couldn’t use Petra for Peters name bacause it would mean he was calling Peter a girl. So he had to make it masculine by changing it to Petros.Peter answered the question correctly “who do you say I am?” and Jesus rewarded his answer with a declaration, You are Petros,=,masculine, (and/but) upon this Petra (=feminine gender) I will build MY CHURCH… the word “Petra” here cannot refer to a person (Peter or Christ) but to the declaration of Christ’ deity that Peter had just uttered.
You are argueing against your own misunderstanding here. I never claimed the other Apostles don’t have any authority Please scroll up and read what I wrote about Matthew 18.But Jesus made many statements about entering and possessing the kingdom of God not just to Peter, but to all of His disciples.
for instance. “to YOU (all of them) it has been given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God but to the rest it is given in parables…” Luke 8:10.
“Do not fear, little flock, for it is your Father’s good pleasure to give YOU (all of them) the kingdom.” Luke 12:32
Was Peter the only one who could open this kingdom to everyone else? … that would be crazy. Peter was one man. If these keys were to open “kingdom knowledge” as what we see suggested in Luke’s narrative, then, they all were the direct recipients of Christ’s teaching, and therefore all obtained His understanding and authority when the Holy Spirit gave it.
“he opened their minds and they understood the scriptures…”
Can I ask why? What didn’t you like about it? Where did I err? It seemed like pretty simple questions were they to confusing to answer? Basically, I was just trying to connect The OT King David with the NT King Jesus. Is this something that we aren’t suppose to do when reading the Bible?MT. I am so glad the CC did not argue the Trinity doctrine with such cut and paste theology as this.
This is an awesome statement. Would you be able to further explain to me what this means to you ?Peter was given KEYS to the Kingdom. Agreed. These keys surely unlock all that the Kingdom has to offer.
I’m not sure of any authority Jesus gave to the Pharisees. Could you explain why you believe these are equal or how you are making this connection.Peter, because of his newly found truth, was awarded to unlock that kingdom, as was the Pharisees who abused their opportunity.
Nope didn’t avoid it. Look up thereBut you avoid the elephant in the room called exclusive. Peter was not alone in his assignment
Yes totally agree. The kingdom of God is already here. It is present in and through the Church founded by Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.The Kingdom of God.is already here.
No we wait for Him to return. Thus the reason He left His Chief Steward in charge of His Church.We do not wait for.the king to arrive.
Then why did Jesus use the second person singular pronoun “you”.Peter was not alone in his assignment.
Are you claiming that there is no hierarchy in the Church ?IT IS TRUE THERE WAS AN INNER CIRCLE OF DISCIPLES WHO DREW NEAR TO CHRIST, MORE THAN THE OTHERS. BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT THE OTHERS WERE EXCLUDED FROM THAT CIRCLE IF THEY WANTED IN.
To be fair! This can very much be the case both ways in NUMEROUS ways.If you do not see your ego leading you astray, all interaction with you is simply wasted time.
This very phrase is such an interesting one. It CANNOT be claimed by a single group.LISTEN and begin to understand why.
God does have the authority to tell us we are wrong minded.I utterly detest a saying relating to “If you understood this, you would believe it”. Well maybe I just don’t agree although I can understand it.
Anyway. Regards.
Thanks for the link.
Not really.This whole thing about Peter becoming the visible head of the sheep is a half-truth. And of course you know that a half truth is a whole lie. Not to say that you are lying MT, I don’t believe that for a moment. But simply not convincing.
First of all, that is not exactly what it says in Isaias. I don’t really want to nitpick, but the phraseology is always important in the Bible. It actually says what he opens no one shuts, and what he shuts, no one opens. It’s slightly different than the way you’ve paraphrased it. It was probably just a slip of the lip, so to speak.Peter is given the KEYS of the Kingdom of God but is NOT told he could “open doors that no man can open, or close doors that no man can close.