Tis_Bearself
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Definitely start an Apologetics thread in the appropriate forum if you have a question. That’s the purpose of the forum 
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Sundiver
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It is a complex question and I am writing it off line. I know I have to be careful. Otherwise it would not get across accurately. I have to do a little research. If you think there is an interest.
I looked at some of the previous posts about Trinity and it does not look like it was ever covered. It is confusing.
I looked at some of the previous posts about Trinity and it does not look like it was ever covered. It is confusing.
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DisorientingSneeze
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Response to someone you don’t know very well: “Well, I hope you’re wrong.” Smile and walk away
Response to someone whose opinion you value:
“Why do you think so?” Use opportunity to clarify some of our beliefs even if they still believe you will go to hell.
Response to someone whose opinion you value:
“Why do you think so?” Use opportunity to clarify some of our beliefs even if they still believe you will go to hell.
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IAmBlessed2
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Matthew 5:39. When someone strikes you on [your] right cheek, turn the other one to him as well.
Pray for them and turn the other cheek
Pray for them and turn the other cheek
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Asinner
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Since she’s so sola scriptura, remind her of what scripture says in 1 Corinthians 33-35. That should go over well. XD
One can always pray at loud for a person like that on the spot, ”Forgive him Father, for he does know what he says.”DH was chatting with the local Assembly of God pastor. They believe in a very literal “144,000 will be saved”. He asked DH where we went to church. DH said he was raised Methodist, but we currently attend St. So-and-So’s Catholic Church.
The Assembly of God pastor said, “Oh, I’m sorry you’re going to burn in hell.”
There’s not really a whole lot you can do except smile and keep talking about whatever was being discussed before the conversation took a left turn.
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Neithan
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Ask them why they think that. In my experience it’s always based on gross misrepresentation of what Catholics actually believe.
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Sundiver
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I’ve given up trying to talk to the minister. She is mixed up and she is far too inflexible basing everything on sola scriptura. I think, as Catholics, we make some leap of faith in some core beliefs.
Involving: Trinity, Marian theology, etc,…
Is it accurate to say that we make a leap of faith or is it all based on logical inference from the bible? Obviously the Assumption of Mary is not in the bible. There are other doctrines we believe that require some extraordinary grace to assent to the Church’s teaching.
Also, I believe there is an internal mechanism ,in the soul, that the protestants or atheists are ignoring and it prevents them from seeing the truth. Right?
Involving: Trinity, Marian theology, etc,…
Is it accurate to say that we make a leap of faith or is it all based on logical inference from the bible? Obviously the Assumption of Mary is not in the bible. There are other doctrines we believe that require some extraordinary grace to assent to the Church’s teaching.
Also, I believe there is an internal mechanism ,in the soul, that the protestants or atheists are ignoring and it prevents them from seeing the truth. Right?
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Asinner
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Oh yah, I was joking. No good is going to come from continuing to argue with her.
I believe faith is essential in understanding the teaching of the Church. I’m not really an expert apologist, but I can tell you there are solid reasons behind these doctrines that many have trouble with. For example, the Assumption of Mary is alluded to in the book of Revelation, when the woman clothed in the sun (Mary) flees to “a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of” after giving birth to her Son. Then there is also tradition, since many churches and cities kept the relics of the the apostles and early saints, but no one ever claimed to have the body of Mary. Her Assumption into heaven was believed from early on.
I believe faith is essential in understanding the teaching of the Church. I’m not really an expert apologist, but I can tell you there are solid reasons behind these doctrines that many have trouble with. For example, the Assumption of Mary is alluded to in the book of Revelation, when the woman clothed in the sun (Mary) flees to “a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of” after giving birth to her Son. Then there is also tradition, since many churches and cities kept the relics of the the apostles and early saints, but no one ever claimed to have the body of Mary. Her Assumption into heaven was believed from early on.
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Sundiver
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Right. I have no problem believing the Assumption of Mary or any other doctrine of the Church. However, talking to sola scriptura Christians requires some very difficult mental gymnastics.
Incidentally, Dr. Scott Hahn was a sola scriptura Christian before he converted to the Catholic Church. He gives great talks about Marian theology.
Incidentally, Dr. Scott Hahn was a sola scriptura Christian before he converted to the Catholic Church. He gives great talks about Marian theology.
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steve-b
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As the CCC teaches (emphasis mine)
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, “eternal fire.” The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
that applies to everyone Catholics as well.
For some extra reading http://ccc.scborromeo.org.master.com/texis/master/search/?sufs=0&q=hell&xsubmit=Search&s=SS
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