Restore the Triple Tiara?

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The Holy See is the longest continuous monarchy extant. The Pope is the reigning monarch of his own country, an internationally recognized sovereign nation. He is also the Supreme Pontiff to whom ALL human beings are ultimately subject on this planet. I can’t think of any situation where a crown would be more appropriate. As for ‘what purpose does it serve’? The precise purpose of conveying by an historically recognized and appropriate symbol all of the above.
 
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marysea:
The Holy See is the longest continuous monarchy extant. The Pope is the reigning monarch of his own country, an internationally recognized sovereign nation. He is also the Supreme Pontiff to whom ALL human beings are ultimately subject on this planet. I can’t think of any situation where a crown would be more appropriate. As for ‘what purpose does it serve’? The precise purpose of conveying by an historically recognized and appropriate symbol all of the above.
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I just think of the Lord’s words… Follow Me for I am meek and humble of heart. Accoutrements/externals are nice, but blown way out of proportion by people.
 
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AJV:
Sir, I read somewhere that Pope Benedict had resumed the use of the ‘royal pronoun’ (was it at his first address after his election?) but it was omitted in the English transalation. Any info on this?
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We had also heard this and had hoped it was apocryphal. We are disturbed to learn it may be true.

We must learn Latin on our own and thus eliminate the need for translators.:yup:
 
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marysea:
The Holy See is the longest continuous monarchy extant. The Pope is the reigning monarch of his own country, an internationally recognized sovereign nation. He is also the Supreme Pontiff to whom ALL human beings are ultimately subject on this planet. I can’t think of any situation where a crown would be more appropriate. As for ‘what purpose does it serve’? The precise purpose of conveying by an historically recognized and appropriate symbol all of the above.
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That’s not remotely accurate, in terms of either hyperbole or metaphor. The longest continuous monarchy is actually that of Japan. Also, the Pope as a king isn’t from the mouth of Jesus. The popes became monarchs with the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and then only gradually and fitfully. Better the pope do and be what Jesus intended, and be all that Jesus intended. No one here is arguing against that.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
I’ve directed my staff to collect the sweetener from the future papal tiara as we speak. It’s all natural though…

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Since everyone has developed a fondness for the first person plural, response as follows: “We are pleased with the alacrity of your reply. We look forward to the latte and your contrition.”

We think we’ll start talking that way all the time. We rather like it.
 
We wish to extend our hopes for a joyous, holy, and peaceful Feast of the Nativity of Our Lord and Savior to all our friends at CA…all of them…even those who have the termitity to argue with us…to them do we in especial impart our prayers for a merry day and a thanks for keeping us on our toes.

Yes…we could get used to this. Now, where is our eggnog?
 
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marysea:
The Holy See is the longest continuous monarchy extant. The Pope is the reigning monarch of his own country, an internationally recognized sovereign nation. He is also the Supreme Pontiff to whom ALL human beings are ultimately subject on this planet. I can’t think of any situation where a crown would be more appropriate. As for ‘what purpose does it serve’? The precise purpose of conveying by an historically recognized and appropriate symbol all of the above.
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Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey wearing nothing on his head, and not in a Mercedes wearing a Triple Tiara.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
We wish to extend our hopes for a joyous, holy, and peaceful Feast of the Nativity of Our Lord and Savior to all our friends at CA…all of them…even those who have the termitity to argue with us…to them do we in especial impart our prayers for a merry day and a thanks for keeping us on our toes.

Yes…we could get used to this. Now, where is our eggnog?
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Awwwww, ya made me snort my eggnog through my nostrils!
Next time a little less nutmeg is in order.😃
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
Awwwww, ya made me snort my eggnog through my nostrils!
Next time a little less nutmeg is in order.😃
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Yes, we’re suuuuuuuuure it was the NUTMEG.

Netmil(name removed by moderator), may the Infant Jesus bless your home and your babies in a special way tonight.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Yes, we’re suuuuuuuuure it was the NUTMEG.

Netmil(name removed by moderator), may the Infant Jesus bless your home and your babies in a special way tonight.
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Thank you so much and the same to yours!!!
How blessed we are to have friends far away whom we only know by their words. You’re the best, Dear Heart!

Btw, only nutmeg until after Santa comes. Santa might miss our house!
 
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JKirkLVNV:
That’s not remotely accurate, in terms of either hyperbole or metaphor. The longest continuous monarchy is actually that of Japan. Also, the Pope as a king isn’t from the mouth of Jesus. The popes became monarchs with the collapse of the Western Roman Empire and then only gradually and fitfully. Better the pope do and be what Jesus intended, and be all that Jesus intended. No one here is arguing against that.
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The Immaculate Conception isn’t “from the mouth of Jesus” either, yet we know it’s a truth revealed to the Church. I was not talking about “king” in the sense of government. Maybe I didn’t use the best words, so I’ll let the infallible words of the Church speak for me:

“…we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” UNAM SANCTUM 1302.
 
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marysea:
The Immaculate Conception isn’t “from the mouth of Jesus” either, yet we know it’s a truth revealed to the Church. I was not talking about “king” in the sense of government. Maybe I didn’t use the best words, so I’ll let the infallible words of the Church speak for me:

“…we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” UNAM SANCTUM 1302.
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What has that got to do with him wearing a tiara??
 
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marysea:
The Immaculate Conception isn’t “from the mouth of Jesus” either, yet we know it’s a truth revealed to the Church. I was not talking about “king” in the sense of government. Maybe I didn’t use the best words, so I’ll let the infallible words of the Church speak for me:

“…we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” UNAM SANCTUM 1302.
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And no one on these boards would disagree with that (though you really should check out the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which offers a detailed explication and refinement of Unam Sanctum, paragraphs 818, 819, and 838 in particular). This above quote you provide has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the Holy Father wears a tiara because it’s true whether or not he wears a tiara, as it was true for the popes who never wore one before the political ascendency of the papacy (at the time a very necessary thing, or the West would have descended into darkness). It has no bearing on the discussion.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
And the beautiful chasuble…our priests could take a lesson. We very much approve. Adios to polyester.

The Holy Father always has the kindest expression on his face, even when he must be really tired.
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Indeed. I think this is my favourite picture of the day.

Actually, I truly enjoyed the Urbi et Orbi, cardinal deacons and all. To my simple mind the Holy Father doesn’t need a tiara to look regal.

And this season has truly been a feast for the eyes. Look at that cope !

Only one thing got my goat- what was the purpose of Reuters mentioning that Pope John Paul II, of blessed memory, has used twice as many languages as did our current Holy Father in the Urbi et Orbi message?
 
I voted no.

Because all we need is for the papacy to be associated with a medieval or renaissance monarch.

It’s time to move the Church out of the French Revolution, y’all.
 
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AJV:
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To my simple mind the Holy Father doesn’t need a tiara to look regal.

Only one thing got my goat- what was the purpose of Reuters mentioning that Pope John Paul II, of blessed memory, has used twice as many languages as did our current Holy Father in the Urbi et Orbi message?
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Not at all simple…discerning.

The old Holy Father was an amazing polyglot. I doubt there’s another priest in the Church who could match him for languages. That’s no reflection on the Holy Father, nor on any previous pope.

All the pictures made me think…I loved and reverenced the old Holy Father enormously and I miss him. But I really think the Holy Spirit accomplished His holy purpose in singling out our good and gentle papa.

Whoops, we meant to say “we loved and reverenced” and “we miss,” and “we think.” We will continue to practice.
 
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cheese_sdc:
I voted no.

Because all we need is for the papacy to be associated with a medieval or renaissance monarch.

It’s time to move the Church out of the French Revolution, y’all.
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Then you should have voted yes because the french revolution was about dethroning Catholic monarchs which protected the Church. When the revolutionaries pulled down a statue of the Sacred Heart of Jesus they said “we have dethroned Him” what does that tell you. Even though Jesus came to minister unto us that does not take away His Kingship for He was, is, and always will be the King of kings. Peter was called the “prince of the apostles”, he is spiritual royality. Emperers . and kings are not tyrants or dictators, they have their power from God it’s called the divine right of kings. That is why the Pope always used to crown the kings of Europe for he was the temporal king of kings while Christ is the eternal Emperor. The Pope is a king and the highest until Christ comes again. The tiara is a sign of the triple kingship of honor as mitres are signs of princeships. No other bishop can go against a legitimate order of the bishop of Rome. Now an unlawful order is a different matter for the Pope is Protect of the Faith not Lord of the Faith which only God is. Kings are meant to be ministers (or servants) of God’s justice as St. Paul says in Romans 13. The tiara was mean as an example of humility and meekness for both us and the Pope, think about why women should be covering her head in the church: crowns and head-covering are signs of humility and meekness as well as sign of honor and glory.

Read through Romans 12 & 13. Higher the office, greater the duty of the officer. Remember we do not all have the same amount of grace.

Merry Christmas and God’s grace be upon you,
Jonathan
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Not at all simple…discerning.
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JKirkLVNV:
The old Holy Father was an amazing polyglot. I doubt there’s another priest in the Church who could match him for languages. That’s no reflection on the Holy Father, nor on any previous pope.
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We appreciate the clearing up of the matter, but We retain our suspicion of the motives of the modern media, as is indeed Our Royal perogative
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JKirkLVNV:
All the pictures made me think…I loved and reverenced the old Holy Father enormously and I miss him. But I really think the Holy Spirit accomplished His holy purpose in singling out our good and gentle papa.
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We may seem picture crazy, but We have deemed it unwiseable to resist the impulse to post this

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