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StAnastasia
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No, I’m not joking. Someone who can say “faith tradition” is an oxymoron is theologically ignorant.
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Timothy17
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My dear,
The only updating faithful Catholics need comes from heaven.
Please recall our long and beautiful history. There would be no need for a St Gregory the Great if the Church did not, from time to time, require internal reform; and these reforms tend to tradition and to discipline. The Counter-Reformation generally made a point to create the seminaries for the purpose of increased and standardized instruction and preperation. The seminaries are not, however, infallible, anymore than a University is.
I may need instruction in theology but that does not mean your theology class doesn’t itself require improvement.
Our words should be honest and convey the truth.
Now, when’s the last time you read the Revolutionary’s Handbook (or Guide)? I am not a St Thomas Aquinas; I heartily admit, and may need instruction in that regard; nonetheless, I do know the what and why’s of newspeak and can recognize it.
The confusion of words and terms is intended to alter what and even how people think. Because it is widely accepted and employed does not make it acceptable.
Companies spend millions changing their brand names’ appearance. They are not doing it for fun. They do it because it allows them to change the form without altering the substance, and to convey something new or different to the public. If “Federal Express” is discredited due to a court case involving misconduct (for example), then changing it to “FedEx” afterwards implies the substance has changed, when in truth only the form has.
Capital letter conveyed authority, stability and power (FBI or FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, for example) so it was popular to mimic when such was attractice. Then the “softer, friendlier” form became more desirable, so the capitals tended to be become lower case, “ADDIDAS” to “addidas.”
Changing words and terms is inherently deceiving and thus an effective marketing tool. Marketing in this sense is trying to sell an idea to the people. A brand adds value because of the “brand image” associated with it. In like fashion, terminology changes and alters to convey what is fashionable.
“Faith tradition” is fashionable, even if its nonsensical. My “ft” on f-book might be “catholic”. This conveys something simple or innocent, whereas my Religion might be stated as “ROMAN CATHOLIC.” Depending on the message I am trying to convey about myself or the Church, one or another could be employed. Ask yourself in all honesty if all of the aforementioned forms and terms produce and illicit the same ideas and emotions.
My point here is that I have logical reason to be suspicious of changes in names and terminology, and there is no reason to substitute truth for untruth, regardless of how academically acceptable such a practice might be. I have a religion, not a faith tradition. I can practice a religion, I cannot practice a faith tradition.
It is lawful in Canada for banks to charge people interest on their loans. I can’t legally because that’s loan sharking, and I wouldn’t anyways because that’s usury. Because Canadians believe compound interest is good for the economy, it does not mean it is truth. The Truth is that charging interest, especially compounding interest, is inherently evil because it is systemtically devoid of mercy and can destroy people and their families indiscriminately. Now a modern theologian might argue that “in today’s world” charging interest is okay, because the form (neo-liberal ideology) seems good, but it doesn’t change the effects (“substance”) of the accumulation of entire generations of wealth being transferred. That’s theft or rape, because the victims of it behave and are traumatized just as those who are violated via theft or rape. Making theft or rape legal, and calling it “need-acquisitions” (theft) or “human-needs fulfillment” (rape) would not make it okay.
So, I will finish by saying my theology may need improvement, but talking about a “Faith tradition” is still nonsense, and is not an accidental contruct. It was developed and employed, made obvious by the fact it seems to be used and defined in Theology classes.
And that’s not okay.
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MarkThompson
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“CNN” stands for “Cable News Network.” It has never stood for “Corporate News Network.”
The lesson endeth.
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qui_est_ce
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Be careful. There are many Theology and Philosophy professors at Catholic universities that teach contrary to Catholic teaching.
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Timothy17
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Actually, though embarassing, that helps prove my point.“CNN” stands for “Cable News Network.” It has never stood for “Corporate News Network.”
The lesson endeth.
I had no idea what “CNN” actually stood for, and believed something about it that was not true as a result.
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Timothy17
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Draw me a square wheel.
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MarkThompson
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It reminds me of an old newspaper headline from Jay Leno’s Headlines segment: “FFA Proposes Name Change to FFA.”
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pnewton
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It is not newspeak and we are not living in an Orwell novel. The word “faith” has more than one meaning.
merriam-webster.com/netdict/faith
2 a (1) : belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2) : complete trust
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
I think this specific point of disagreement is that you are not agreeing on terms. “Faith tradition” is using definition number three. It is not to be judged by definition number two. This third usage is nothing new. The Church has long understood that we are saved through faith, as in the third definition. We our saved through our Faith, which is the Catholic Church. Luther took the alternate definition in order to separate salvation from the Catholic Faith.
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SpiritusSanctus
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Um, I don’t think you should be telling me my comment is false when you don’t even know a thing about how false religions came along. You are denying scripture by denying this is true. Didn’t you read the Bible verse I posted where it said all gods of the pagans are devils? Not only are you rejecting scripture but you’re implying that false gods actually exist. So if anyone is apart from the teachings of the Catholic Church here, it is you. Your quote does not address anything about demons being present in other religions. And you tell Timothy that he is in need if theological updating? Please, with all due respect here, don’t shoot the messenger(s).
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SpiritusSanctus
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No, I meant those classes you said you took about Catholicism.What did you say was the name of that place again?
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pnewton
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About that. You stated in post #304:
Here is that Psalm:
usccb.org/nab/bible/psalms/psalm95.htm
I do not know how you got your statement from the 95th Psalms. Perhaps you were thinking of a different reference? I only know of one (Psalm 106) that equates pagan gods with demons and it is not a universal equation, but only of specific gods, like Moloch, that have human sacrifice.
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otjm
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You truly are a hoot. A sanctimonious one, but a hoot none the less.
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otjm
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Ah, but was the lesson learneth?“CNN” stands for “Cable News Network.” It has never stood for “Corporate News Network.”
The lesson endeth.
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otjm
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A square wheel is not an oxymoron. It is simply highly inefficient as a means of transportation.
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otjm
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You are so far from the conversation that one does not have to worry about shooting the messenger. Your presumption that St Paul said all there ws to say about other religions (e.g. Hinudism) is borderline Sols Scriptura. Given that the Church ahs thoroughly rejected that position, you might want to actually find out what the Church has to say, as opposed to some of the screeds you have been reading.
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StAnastasia
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That’s not actually what Luther did, but you are right that I am using “faith tradition” in this broader sense.
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CradleCath
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If you honestly see humor in your words:
If anything in the above quote makes you laugh, well you’re in a sad state. Could it be that you have a mal-formed humor gland and a natural tendency to “toot your own horn”. If so…that could be a blessing, as it excuses you from saving the Universe.
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StAnastasia
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:thumbsup:
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SpiritusSanctus
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It’s pretty clear at this point that you either have not done any research or some other problem exists. I know what the Church says on this stance today and what it’s teaching about other religions today is as close to heretical as you can get. Not that the Church is heretical, but the teachings on other religions are so anti-Catholic it’s incredible. At this point I find it pointless to argue with you since you and I clearly are not on the same page. Do some research on the New World Order, false religions, and Vatican II and then after you’ve brushed up on these subjects we can continue discussion.
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CradleCath
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:whackadoo::whackadoo:
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