Retired bishop assaulted by passenger on a train in Ireland

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Bishop Emeritus Bill Murphy of Kerry was punched in the face last month by a drunken passenger angry about the Church’s handling of sex abuse claims, according to the Irish Times.
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The retired bishop, aged 79, had been travelling on a train from Killarney to Dublin with his brother, Archdeacon Michael Murphy.
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Archdeacon Murphy told the newspaper that a man recognised him and came over to them. “He had quite a lot [of drink] on him. He spoke about being ill. The bishop was reading his office.”
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catholicherald.co.uk/news/2015/09/04/retired-bishop-punched-in-the-face-over-clerical-abuse-crisis/
 
Let’s pray for the recovery of this poor man and for the repentance of his assailant.
 
“Archdeacon?” Is that an Irish / European title for a deacon attached to a cathedral? Never seen that before in a Catholic context.
 
Isn’t this typical of Ireland and Church dissenters? Complain about the child abuse scandal? What’s next, the Crusades? Galileo? Evil nuns with rulers?
 
Midwest88 said:
Isn’t this typical of Ireland and Church dissenters? Complain about the child abuse scandal? What’s next, the Crusades? Galileo? Evil nuns with rulers?
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Irish Catholics - who had been among the most loyal and faithful in the world - felt, justifiably, betrayed by the clergy and hierarchy of the Church to which they had been so loyal. While physical violence is not justified, the level of anger manifested by the Irish people is certainly understandable. Your dismissive remarks show a profound lack of understanding of how deeply the scandal stunned and hurt Irish Catholics.
 
And their response was to betray God and enshrine homosexual “marriages” into law. Forgive me if I don’t have a lot of sympathy.
 
Caldera599 said:
And their response was to betray God and enshrine homosexual “marriages” into law. Forgive me if I don’t have a lot of sympathy.
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Ireland reacting in a manner so completely uncharacteristic of the deeply devout people they have always been indicates just how thoroughly betrayed they felt. That vote was a punch in the nose of the hierarchy that had - deservedly - lost the trust of a very angry flock.

If the Irish people hadn’t been so faithful to the Church for so long, they would not have felt the treachery of formerly revered Church leaders so deeply. It will take a very long time - if ever - for the Church to regain what it lost in Ireland.
 
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Ireland reacting in a manner so completely uncharacteristic of the deeply devout people they have always been indicates just how thoroughly betrayed they felt. That vote was a punch in the nose of the hierarchy that had - deservedly - lost the trust of a very angry flock.

If the Irish people hadn’t been so faithful to the Church for so long, they would not have felt the treachery of formerly revered Church leaders so deeply. It will take a very long time - if ever - for the Church to regain what it lost in Ireland.
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I understand what you’re saying, really. You’re not offering an excuse, you’re offering an explanation, and probably a pretty accurate one.

That being said, the Church was never then or now about the hierarchy --it’s about Jesus (who, if you’ll recall, handpicked the man who betrayed Him).

If people in Ireland (and people anywhere, really) were confused enough to make their local priests, bishops, and even Pope into gods --in essence, to worship THEM instead of God–and now are reacting to that, they’re just making matters worse.

I believe that the Bible (which the Church put into canon and teaches to this day) told us to treat our enemies with love.

How are the Irish people (or indeed, any of us who are filled with rage about ‘clerical abuse’ of any type) treating those perceived as THEIR enemies?

Are they treating them with love, as Christians?

Or are they acting ‘like the pagans’ by only loving those who are ‘worthy’ of being loved, and ‘hating’ those they think worthy of hate?

It the Irish people had reacted to a crisis that was in part of their own making (no, no person abused ever 'asked for it. No, there was never anything that the laity did specifically to ‘cause’ abuse). . .I mean, though, that their own culture, NOT something which ‘the Church’ ever taught or asked for, the ‘worship’ of the hierarchy and their elevation into beings who were unquestioningly obeyed and so any kind of common sense assessment was out of the picture in any kind of relationship between clergy and laity from the start, and yes, the laity was complicit in this of their own free will). . .if they had reacted with the kind of Catholic Christian behavior that supposedly they were the ‘quintessence’ of being for many centuries. . .

They would have ‘killed’ the evil with kindness and risen up even stronger.

Sadly, this is simply another example of protestantism.

If Martin Luther had treated those who were guilty (and they were) of rotten BEHAVIOR in the Church (again, not something which the Church teaches!) with true Catholic Christian behavior, he’d be SAINT Martin Luther, we’d have a united Christian world today, and these latest abuses, if they had even happened, would have been dealt with IMMEDIATELY.

But we’ve had example after example of so-called Christians being anything BUT Christ like and, the world being what it is, being rewarded for it.

Luckily the Faith had the Counter Reformation to address the original protestant errors.

I have no doubt that, if we are spared the chastisement we so richly deserve, we will see, among the Irish and others, those who recognize the terrible irony and satanic pride that thinks to ‘punish the Church for her sins’ by rejecting her and making a false image of her, and of Christ, while self-righteously proclaiming their own impeccable goodness in embracing evil as good. . .and who, with the kind of grace and bravery of those other Christian martyrs, will revive the Faith with their own blood united to Christ’s.

And this will be what brings back many if not most of those who are swept away in the emotionalism that Satan is using so freely in our so called ‘age of reason’. But it is a terrible price to pay.
 
So you physically abuse an old man because you believe the group he belongs to should have handled investigations and punishments of abuse differently. hmmmmm

There’s a pretty big disconnect with sanity there.

I guess drink and watching the liberal media are likely to have that affect.
 
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