The male child still points to Jesus, as revealed in the 2nd Psalm. God speaks in this Psalm:
Good points, many interpreters see those verses as follows:
Jesus can bee seen symbolically, but not literally imo. Not if we read the entire chapter and all of Revelation. If we want to proof text and yank passages, then we can make the Bible say what “we want” it to say.
So we travel through this highly symbolic book, and then we get bogged down in literalism? The fact that the child remains a child could be shown this way to prove that Jesus was King of Kings even at birth. John doesn’t have to thrust time on these events to show the child growing up before He ascends into heaven.
And this dis-proves my theory? Everyone recognizes Psalm 2 to be Messianic, even the Jews do. If you show me other’s in the Bible who will rule the world with a rod of iron, I’ll accept your “proof text and passage yanking” interpretation of my words. But just five passages ago, you were using the words “caught up” to proof text AGAINST the child being Jesus.
I do not think the book is nearly as symbolic as you likely do. I think the book speaks of real events in time in chronological order to the very end of the world and Christ’s return.
I agreed that Psalm 2 is Mesianic, never said it isn’t. The very definition of veing a Vicar is to rule in place of another. The Pope rules with a rod of iron for Christ.
By George, I think you’re on to something, there!!!Still, I think it’s valid to realize that one reason the Lord inspired John to write about a woman clothed in the sun, standing on the moon, and crowned with stars, was so that I could draw the Woman as a female astronaut in a reflective spacesuit.
My views mean nothing to anyone but me…just sharing what I think.Yes, and you did a fine job of articulating yor view. I just feel there is too much spitting in the wind with the book of Revelation/Apocalypse. I do not think it requires nearly the “to China” type digging that many feel is required. I think the visions had to be spoken of in symbolic language in order to protect the early Church, yet that symbolic language does not contain ten literal interpretations, it contains one imo.Figurative speech and symbolic images are the literal sense of Revelation. We haven’t even begun to dig into the other three main ways you can take Scripture, with this book.
I mean, sheesh, look how long it took me to talk about one verse, and that was just scratching the surface of all the allusions and layers of meaning. I could have gone on much longer about stomping on moon goddesses, the significance of sublunary vs. superlunary in Greek/Roman scientific thought, and all kinds of other stuff.
But in a lot of ways, too, the most important way for Christians to read the Bible is in its interactive mode – the verses that suddenly seem to “pop up” into our notice, and mean something to our own specific lives. And those are usually not verses about abstruse points of doctrine, but rather about loving one another, or cleaning up our acts.
Still, I think it’s valid to realize that one reason the Lord inspired John to write about a woman clothed in the sun, standing on the moon, and crowned with stars, was so that I could draw the Woman as a female astronaut in a reflective spacesuit.
I’m not angry or offended. I appreciate the sharing of our views. If I sound offended or miffed, my sincere apologies.notworthy,
Btw, I mean no offense with anything I post, and these are merely my opinions and can be tossed aside like a dead bug.
Okay, got it. Tanx.
Do you feel that prophecies can have more than one fulfillment?
Yes to a point. I think the end of Matthew has two separate discourses about end times, the first being the destruction of the Temple and the sack of the city, the second is the end of time when Christ returns–yet the passages make that clear imo.
I believe this is Israel, because Roman Catholicism
I have never seen how the woman could be Israel.
I am all about symbollism, I am saying if you wish to take it literal then you must consider whether Mary sinned visa vi child birth pains
And if you take Mary’s knowledge that Jesus would have to suffer and die in order to save Israel, this great wailing could be symbolic of the suffering she knew she would face in following the Suffering Servant.